Is that the power of Holy Spirit?

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kaylagrl

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Did other people in that church speak the language of him?

Seeing God is no longer bringing any new revelations as His interpretation after any manner to include tongues. It would seem he heard sounds that that drew him into the building.

I also have experienced that walking past that kind of denomination..... And then the woman spoke to him in a familiar language on how to be saved. Otherwise if she did not speak the same language how could they reason together? How would he answer her if the Holy Spirit did not interpret his tongue and she could respond?

His spiritual gifts are two fold edifying. Both accomplished by the same mutual faith of Christ, never to edify or comfort one.

If the interpretation as a revelation of God does not work in both the speaker the hearer and vice versa how shall it be known what is spoken of by either?

Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped?For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle?So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. 1Co 14:6

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No, he heard the woman speaking his language and she was speaking in tongues. She did not know his native tongue.

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Otherwise if she did not speak the same language how could they reason together? "

She did speak the same language,his native language.


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If the interpretation as a revelation of God does not work in both the speaker the hearer and vice versahow shall it be known what is spoken of by either?"

I know how tongues works.


 
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PinkDiamond

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That is simply mean and a personal attack.

I never dismiss the word of God. I may not accept the charismatic or Pentecostal interpretation of the word of God but I never discount Gods word.

The reason I stand against tongues is because the speakers do not align with Gods word. The Holy Spirit is not involved with anything that does not align with Gods word. Gods word clearly declares that three sign gifts will cease. 1 Cor 13:8. It is the Pentecostal and charismatic crowd that dismisses Gods word.

You need not answer to me nor do I expect you to endeavor to answer me.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'll take a stab at answering this. We need to read that verse in 1 Corinthians 13:8 in context. Paul is correcting them for their lack of love and spiritual arrogance. Christians always end up in error when they focus their attention on anything other than the love of Christ. Paul is saying that it is love for God and others that will last. If you read the verse carefully he adds that knowledge will also cease. So, if we are going to take a very literal interpretation of this verse, we'd have to conclude that knowledge is not for us today either.
 
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kaylagrl

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All I can say to that is Beware of the two edged sword, sir.
I was about to give the same caution... Thank you for understanding where I am coming from.
 
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ladylynn

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well, when I read your anti Holy Spirit posts I certainly do NOT laugh

BUT...you should stop trying to cover up the scriptures that I posted

TWICE now

and this:

39Therefore, my brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues. 40But everything should be done in a fitting and orderly way.


you ignore this at your own peril and you do no service to yourself or anyone else by trying to intimate I said something I did not say

the answer is obviously in verse 40...everything should be done decently and in order

I also noted the fact that the gifts are to be used at the discretion of the Holy Spirit through the believer, not the believer trying to use the gifts

from post 3 so basically, it's all good until people get a hold of it and pervert it and want to use the gifts instead of letting the Holy Spirit us the gifts through THEM

I cannot begin to state the little regard I have for people who DELIBERATELY twist the posts of others

and you do that often enough Roger...often enough


I have fallen on my knees in worship, but I don't make animal noises nor do I do anything unseemly

I can't help what others do



I agree with you Lauren about the way we speak in tongues and that we cannot help what other people are doing. There are many wacky Christians out there who don't speak in tongues as well as those wacky Christians who do. That doesn't mean they are not saved., it just means..., to me anyway, they are allowing their wackiness to get in the way of the Holy Spirit.

OH., P.S. I've never fallen on the floor and barked like a dog uncontrollably or in any way shape or form. I'm fully in control when speaking in tongues.
 
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notuptome

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I'll take a stab at answering this. We need to read that verse in 1 Corinthians 13:8 in context. Paul is correcting them for their lack of love and spiritual arrogance. Christians always end up in error when they focus their attention on anything other than the love of Christ. Paul is saying that it is love for God and others that will last. If you read the verse carefully he adds that knowledge will also cease. So, if we are going to a very literal interpretation to this verse, we'd have to conclude that knowledge is not for us today either.
Understand the verse in context. Knowledge is not all knowledge. It is the knowledge that simple fishermen had to confound the highly educated religious leaders that persecuted them.

A person does not get saved and receive all knowledge of the scriptures in an instant. Nor does a new babe in Christ write a doctoral thesis on theology and soteriology on the way home from a tent meeting.

Prophecy also is not the OT prophecy of future telling but now prophecy is forth telling of what God has delivered to us in His word.

Tongues are human languages not ecstatic utterances. Interpretation is accomplished by one who knows the language usually as their native tongue. Bi-lingual and multi-lingual folks have obtained knowledge of multiple languages by study and hard work.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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I was about to give the same caution... Thank you for understanding where I am coming from.
No problem...what you are saying is in agreement with the Word of God.
 
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We get so very stupid when we start our crazy imaginings about "tongues."

The best one I get a kick out of is the idea each of the disciples was "speaking" in a known Earthly language... when the Bible never says that at all.

First of all, you have the number of 3,000 to deal with. Just look out your own window, and envision only a hundred people standing on your lawn. Now, keep multiplying that by two times, and by two times again.... then again... till you get to 1,000. How far down the block are they? Now keep on doing the multiplying, on and on till you get to 2,000. Now do it again, and make the number 3,000.

Now the crowd is spread out close to a solid city block in either direction. And we live where there are wide streets and open places, lawns in front of most houses. None of that existed in Jerusalem. Their streets looked like our NY alleys, and there were no lawns to stand in.

And even if you try to claim that the people came and went in orderly, quiet smaller groups of just 300 every hour, they would have to be filing through for 10 hours, straight with no meal time or bathroom breaks. Now, all that 3,000 still has to get baptized, probably by those same guys doing the speaking in that same time period. Those were some hustlin' disciples, getting all that done!

Let's now look at the actual speaking.

This all happened in a city where everyone was already speaking 15 different languages or dialects all day long, all over the city. This was a celebration where everyone and his cousin, from all over the land were gathered in one place. Everyone was thoroughly comfortable with hearing all sorts of foreign languages spoken everywhere.

Why in the world do you think the disciples would be accused of being drunk if all they were doing was simply speaking one of the 15 different languages the crowd was very used to hearing? They wouldn't have been. They had to be "sounding" drunk. And, what does a drunk sound like? Kinda like a person "gibbering." Like a person speaking in "tongues."

Now, for all you who still swear they were speaking real languages......... we have several more problems. They all seen to have stood up at once, indicating that there were not 15 different speeches, at 15 different times. Especially when you have the audience, astonished, looking right at one another, marveling at the fact that each one of them was "hearing" the words spoken in their own language. No one said, I'm glad one of them spoke in your language, Friend, but I was even happier because the other guy was speaking in MY language.

But, let's just pretend that DID happen.

Here are all these people listening to just a small group of men, talking. Thousands (or at least "hundreds") of people spread way out in both directions on a tiny path out front of this building. There are no PA systems. The disciples would have to have been shouting at the top of their lungs for "natural" or "normal" sound to have reached all those ears, bouncing and echoing all off the closely-built houses.

But, the Bible seems to indicate that the "speaking" of 15 different languages was all being done at once.
All the disciples shouting at the same time. Can you imagine? What bedlam! (But wait! Does the Bible say that? Yes, and no. It seems to say all were "speaking" at once.... but the listeners were "hearing" quite individually... and plainly distinctly.) Interesting. Hearing different things in that HUGE crowd, at the same instant..... despite the noise level which must have sounded like a subway station at rush hour.

And to some unreceptive onlookers, all this sounded like a bunch of drunks babbling.

No, I think we have to get beyond our usual LIMITING of the power of The Holy Spirit to only our human understanding. We have to quit our incessant telling God what He cannot do, because we have declared it.

Clearly, some odd and strange sounds were coming from the disciples... totally indistinguishable... and it reached ALL the thousands of ears, no matter how far down the streets they had been shoved, and every single one of the members of the audience heard God's word, very clearly and distinctly, in their own language.
 
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eph610

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GOD saved him
Nobody and no other thing but GOD
God does not save anyone, Only Jesus can save....He said as much, I am the way, truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but through me....
 
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LaurenTM

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I agree with you Lauren about the way we speak in tongues and that we cannot help what other people are doing. There are many wacky Christians out there who don't speak in tongues as well as those wacky Christians who do. That doesn't mean they are not saved., it just means..., to me anyway, they are allowing their wackiness to get in the way of the Holy Spirit.

OH., P.S. I've never fallen on the floor and barked like a dog uncontrollably or in any way shape or form. I'm fully in control when speaking in tongues.


yeah exactly

religion and self righteousness will never have to worry about behavior they can't control though

that is the other side of the coin
 
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eph610

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and this is why I hardly ever give examples of the supernatural experiences I have had with God

and probably why Jesus told so many not to say anything after He had worked a miracle in their life

unbelievable

blah blah blah
This is why I have started sharing supernatural testimonies on certain threads...notice they wont answer me directly on them, because they cannot and will not, although deep down inside they want to know the God we share about....
 

miknik5

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God does not save anyone, Only Jesus can save....He said as much, I am the way, truth and the life, no man comes to the Father but through me....
How many HOLY SPIRITS are there?
 
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eph610

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You are right. Just as I said above in my post which you quoted
HE alone will lay bare what is hidden from men

You don't even know what you are saying and doing. You are serving yourself
you have no interest in
these 15 year olds. You have more an interest in professing yourself

Things. These are things that you are professing. This young girl went into a supposed church who should know who and what they glorify but instead she saw disorder and confusion

and that is not of GOD
how would you know it was or was not God, I mean you scold us, but you were never there either right?

Best for you to remove the splinter in your own eye sister...
 

miknik5

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All that is hidden shall be revealed.


i beliebe HIM.

just as I brli be we are to test the spirits. For not every spirit is born of GOD
 

miknik5

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how would you know it was or was not God, I mean you scold us, but you were never there either right?

Best for you to remove the splinter in your own eye sister...
You don't know. You heard this young girl but you didn't hear her

you are more interested in validating and glorifying and serving yourselves
 

notuptome

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We get so very stupid when we start our crazy imaginings about "tongues."

The best one I get a kick out of is the idea each of the disciples was "speaking" in a known Earthly language... when the Bible never says that at all.

First of all, you have the number of 3,000 to deal with. Just look out your own window, and envision only a hundred people standing on your lawn. Now, keep multiplying that by two times, and by two times again.... then again... till you get to 1,000. How far down the block are they? Now keep on doing the multiplying, on and on till you get to 2,000. Now do it again, and make the number 3,000.

Now the crowd is spread out close to a solid city block in either direction. And we live where there are wide streets and open places, lawns in front of most houses. None of that existed in Jerusalem. Their streets looked like our NY alleys, and there were no lawns to stand in.

And even if you try to claim that the people came and went in orderly, quiet smaller groups of just 300 every hour, they would have to be filing through for 10 hours, straight with no meal time or bathroom breaks. Now, all that 3,000 still has to get baptized, probably by those same guys doing the speaking in that same time period. Those were some hustlin' disciples, getting all that done!

Let's now look at the actual speaking.

This all happened in a city where everyone was already speaking 15 different languages or dialects all day long, all over the city. This was a celebration where everyone and his cousin, from all over the land were gathered in one place. Everyone was thoroughly comfortable with hearing all sorts of foreign languages spoken everywhere.

Why in the world do you think the disciples would be accused of being drunk if all they were doing was simply speaking one of the 15 different languages the crowd was very used to hearing? They wouldn't have been. They had to be "sounding" drunk. And, what does a drunk sound like? Kinda like a person "gibbering." Like a person speaking in "tongues."

Now, for all you who still swear they were speaking real languages......... we have several more problems. They all seen to have stood up at once, indicating that there were not 15 different speeches, at 15 different times. Especially when you have the audience, astonished, looking right at one another, marveling at the fact that each one of them was "hearing" the words spoken in their own language. No one said, I'm glad one of them spoke in your language, Friend, but I was even happier because the other guy was speaking in MY language.

But, let's just pretend that DID happen.

Here are all these people listening to just a small group of men, talking. Thousands (or at least "hundreds") of people spread way out in both directions on a tiny path out front of this building. There are no PA systems. The disciples would have to have been shouting at the top of their lungs for "natural" or "normal" sound to have reached all those ears, bouncing and echoing all off the closely-built houses.

But, the Bible seems to indicate that the "speaking" of 15 different languages was all being done at once.
All the disciples shouting at the same time. Can you imagine? What bedlam! (But wait! Does the Bible say that? Yes, and no. It seems to say all were "speaking" at once.... but the listeners were "hearing" quite individually... and plainly distinctly.) Interesting. Hearing different things in that HUGE crowd, at the same instant..... despite the noise level which must have sounded like a subway station at rush hour.

And to some unreceptive onlookers, all this sounded like a bunch of drunks babbling.

No, I think we have to get beyond our usual LIMITING of the power of The Holy Spirit to only our human understanding. We have to quit our incessant telling God what He cannot do, because we have declared it.

Clearly, some odd and strange sounds were coming from the disciples... totally indistinguishable... and it reached ALL the thousands of ears, no matter how far down the streets they had been shoved, and every single one of the members of the audience heard God's word, very clearly and distinctly, in their own language.
How do you compare Acts 2 with what goes on in the charismatic or Pentecostal church services?

There is not a thing in scripture to suggest that tongues were anything other than human languages.

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Your explanation makes sense, more than theirs.

There are cases of people thinking they are following christianity and using practices which open them up to other spirits.

tongues is an ancient pagan language.

Only aware of one term potentially belonging to the language in the bible, a little nervous using it here, as I found in the forum a user who was banned who had it as their username, wouldn't want people to associate me with a banned user.

message me if interested.
 
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