THE RAPTURE

[PlainWord]

HE alone will call out from amongst the many those who belong to HIM. And those who belong to HIM who will hear HIS VOICE are not limited to one particular nation of people or even one particular location.

Therefore you have no right to claim what is tare until the day

and the only ONE who has a right to "cast out" is GOD

Of course He alone chooses. I never said I choose. I am merely showing you who the Tares are as the Bible defines them. They are the Children of Ishmael. These people have been worshiping a false God and false prophet. Maybe you've head of them? Allah and Muhammad? They have been following and serving the "beast." They have been slaughtering and killing God's people by the millions for the past 1,400 years.

It's time someone speak the truth to these people so that they can repent and start serving the true God. Otherwise, the Bible says what will happen to them (not me).

“If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

They were deceived. If it were up to me, I'd give them a pass because they didn't know any better. But it was God who sent them the strong delusion so that they would believe the lie. We have to trust that God knows what He's doing.

All I'm doing is showing you who they are.

 

[miknik5]

Did you just give me a tap in putt for birdie? Thank you. We are told clearly who was cut off.

“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself.

And why was He cut off?

Isa 53: [SUP]5 [/SUP]But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities



What part? Christ comes back after the "falling away" and the "Man of Sin" is revealed. The Man of Sin (if you look at Dan 11) is the King of the North. He opposes and exalts himself above EVERYTHING called God or that is worshiped. Basically he tells everyone that whoever they thought was God they are wrong about it and that he alone is above God. Sounds like Satan in the flesh to me. Satan is such a copy cat isn't he?

If we look at Daniel's version of 2 Thes 2, we see this:

[SUP]36 [/SUP]“Then the king shall do according to his own will: he shall exalt and magnify himself above every god, shall speak blasphemies against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the wrath has been accomplished; for what has been determined shall be done.

Paul tells us this in 2 Thes 2:

[SUP]4 [/SUP]who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

There are lots of temples where the Man of Sin could be sitting in without needing to build him a new one. While it is assumed he does this in Jerusalem, we aren't really told that for certain. If he does do this in Jerusalem, the most obvious choices would be the Church of the Holy Sepulcher where the Catholics think contains Jesus' tomb. It would be just a short walk from where he set up the Abomination of Desolation at the Wailing Wall.

But, my bet would be the Church of All Nations AKA the Basilica of the Agony located in the Garden of Gethsemane on the Mount of Olives exactly opposite the Golden or Eastern Gate which of course was the gate sealed supposedly until Christ returns and opens it. From the church doorway you look across the Kidron Valley right to where the old Jewish Temple once stood.

I would not rule out St. Peter's Basilica in Rome either. The only temple we can rule out is a third man-made one because Daniel is clear, it will remain desolate until God's wrath is poured out.

When HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way/ when the power of the holy people are cut off? When HE is cut off but not for HIMSELF?

who is HE cut off/taken out of the way for exactly?

 

[miknik5]

Who in the world and through whom does HE convict the world of sin that in this age men might hear THE GOSPEL believe and be counted in CHRIST having passed from death to LIFE?

When HE is taken out of the way, HE who holds all things back by HIS POWER will no longer hold all things back by HIS POWER will no longer hold all things back

 

[miknik5]

He'll be delayed "21 days" while HE "hides HIS FACE (temporarily) from "Jacob's struggles"

 

[miknik5]

That event has not happened yet

 

[miknik5]

When HE who holds all things back is taken out
of the way it will be a free for all

that time has not come because HIS CHURCH (led by HIS SPIRIT) are still in the world speaking out against sin

 

[miknik5]

I suggest you carefully reread Daniel 9. For "Messiah The Prince". Is not the same as the prince of the people who will come after Messiah is cut off but not for HIMSELF

 

[bornofgod]

Of course He alone chooses. I never said I choose. I am merely showing you who the Tares are as the Bible defines them. They are the Children of Ishmael. These people have been worshiping a false God and false prophet. Maybe you've head of them? Allah and Muhammad? They have been following and serving the "beast." They have been slaughtering and killing God's people by the millions for the past 1,400 years.

It's time someone speak the truth to these people so that they can repent and start serving the true God. Otherwise, the Bible says what will happen to them (not me).

“If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

They were deceived. If it were up to me, I'd give them a pass because they didn't know any better. But it was God who sent them the strong delusion so that they would believe the lie. We have to trust that God knows what He's doing.

All I'm doing is showing you who they are.

I met many of God's chosen believers who had practiced Islam and said they were Muslims. I also met believers who had never been involved in man's religion or ever read anything in their holy books. In fact, most chosen believers have never opened up a Bible and read one single word. The believers who have never read the Bible are typically the believers who receive 100% of the Truth. Other believers get only a portion such as 30%, 60%, 90% and many others are so caught up in the world that they hear the spoken word ( gospel ) but they can't focus on what they hear. Then there are those who hear the gospel and totally reject it.

 

[miknik5]

And the Christ venant that this prince will make is not a good one

 

[miknik5]

Do you think that the LORD does not have the ability to turn the hearts of the hardest back if HE chooses?

The call of the prophets was ALWAYS:

if today you hear HIS VOICE harden not your hesrts

umfortunately not ALL will hear HIS VOICE

 

[Ahwatukee]

I hate to say it but i haven't seen any man living past 100 who is seen as a child

Exactly! That's because during the millennial period the longevity of life will be restored to what it was before the flood, where people will live to be 800 and 900 years old, which is one of the characteristics of the millennial period, as can be seen bellow:

"Never again will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his years; the one who dies at a hundred will be thought a mere child; the one who fails to reach a hundred will be considered accursed." - Isa.65:20

 

[popeye]

By the way, there will be a third earthly temple rebuilt and with it, in ignorance, the people who do not understand, will be reinstating animal sacrifices for sin and guilt

That sir is the abomination!

Did you see my utube vid with street interviews in Israel?

It is chilling seeing their description of the coming "messiah"

Matches the antichrist

 

[popeye]

I met many of God's chosen believers who had practiced Islam and said they were Muslims. I also met believers who had never been involved in man's religion or ever read anything in their holy books. In fact, most chosen believers have never opened up a Bible and read one single word. The believers who have never read the Bible are typically the believers who receive 100% of the Truth. Other believers get only a portion such as 30%, 60%, 90% and many others are so caught up in the world that they hear the spoken word ( gospel ) but they can't focus on what they hear. Then there are those who hear the gospel and totally reject it.

There is only one who can not be deceived.

I engaged conversation with a member yesterday that proceeded to tell me "....i was pretrib,but then God told me..."

So,"truth" as batted around on this forum seems relative.

Truth is a person. So non truth did NOT GO THROUGH Jesus.

His word is his testimony.

He and his word harmonize.

The problem arises that when some on this forum fight a doctrine,they demonize the messenger.

Unwittingly clumping in the verses of the messenger,thus God's word gets trampled.

 

[miknik5]

Did you see my utube vid with street interviews in Israel?

It is chilling seeing their description of the coming "messiah"

Matches the antichrist

Can you post it here? Is that allowed ?

 

[Ahwatukee]

The 144,000 is just a symbolic name for God's created spiritual man made both male and female. All the numbers that you see in the scriptures are only symbolic that should never be used as literal numbers.

Morning BornofGod,

With all due respect, Just as with all scripture, the context should determine the meaning. John said, "I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, which are then broken down to twelve thousand per tribe. Then, immediately after this group of 144,000 are introduced, we are introduced to another group that "no man can count," which is demonstrating that these numbers should be taken literally. The same thing goes for the 1000 year reign of Christ and the same 1000 years that Satan will be bound and the same for the demonic army of 200 million, etc. There is nothing in the context to alert the reader to the 144,000 as being symbolic/spiritual. Furthermore, the number is consistent in Chapter 14 which again refers to that group as being 144,000 in number.

If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

 

[bornofgod]

There is only one who can not be deceived.

I engaged conversation with a member yesterday that proceeded to tell me "....i was pretrib,but then God told me..."

So,"truth" as batted around on this forum seems relative.

Truth is a person. So non truth did NOT GO THROUGH Jesus.

His word is his testimony.

He and his word harmonize.

The problem arises that when some on this forum fight a doctrine,they demonize the messenger.

Unwittingly clumping in the verses of the messenger,thus God's word gets trampled.

Those who focus on the flesh miss the spirit. They will remain confused by what they read in the Bible until the end of the age.

 

[bornofgod]

Morning BornofGod,

With all due respect, Just as with all scripture, the context should determine the meaning. John said, "I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel, which are then broken down to twelve thousand per tribe. Then, immediately after this group of 144,000 are introduced, we are introduced to another group that "no man can count," which is demonstrating that these numbers should be taken literally. The same thing goes for the 1000 year reign of Christ and the same 1000 years that Satan will be bound and the same for the demonic army of 200 million, etc. There is nothing in the context to alert the reader to the 144,000 as being symbolic/spiritual. Furthermore, the number is consistent in Chapter 14 which again refers to that group as being 144,000 in number.

If the literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

You can go ahead and believe what you were given to believe. I know where man's beliefs come from and why they build false gods with their human hands.

 

[bornofgod]

Do you think that the LORD does not have the ability to turn the hearts of the hardest back if HE chooses?

The call of the prophets was ALWAYS:

if today you hear HIS VOICE harden not your hesrts

umfortunately not ALL will hear HIS VOICE

God only planned to use a few of His people called prophets, saints and believers to testify to His Word during this first age to teach us who we are and how we're created. This is why He kept most of His people deceived by the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil while us saints testified to the Tree of Life that is being revealed during the 1,000 year reign of Christ. Now that I have learned exactly how God used the Word to create everything with and how it's used to give life to the characters called human beings and beasts, we will experience the age ending destruction that will wipe out the rest of the inhabitants who believe they're real people living on a real planet called Earth.

When His people awaken in the New Heaven and Earth, they will all know the Tree of Life, also known as my Servant David, Voice of the Lord, Word of the Lord, Breath of Life, Christ, Messiah, Son of God, and all the other biblical names you can read in the Bible.

 

[popeye]

Those who focus on the flesh miss the spirit. They will remain confused by what they read in the Bible until the end of the age.

Too broad.

You seem stuck on "only me"

"Only I have truth"

May I tell you plainly?

Nobody here will follow you.( oh wait,maybe hundreds will) As for me personally,you need to prove it. And I will challenge what I see you post that is UNSCRIPTURAL

 

[Ahwatukee]

Those who focus on the flesh miss the spirit. They will remain confused by what they read in the Bible until the end of the age.

Actually, those who ignore the face value of what is being said and just arbitrarily apply a spiritual meaning to something that is meant to be received literally, will miss God's meaning. All scripture should be read in the literal sense, unless the context demands a symbolic interpretation. As an example:

"A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. "

"Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. "


The two scripture above are obvious symbolism, with the sun, moon and stars, seven heads, ten horns and seven crowns, being symbolic representing something literal. Where regarding the scripture below, there is nothing to lead the reader to a symbolic meaning and therefore should be received in its literal meaning.

Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
rom the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.

One of the biggest errors being performed today by expositors is assigning symbolic/spiritual meanings to scripture that is meant to be interpreted literally. Many are guilty of this because someone told them or they read it on some website.