THE RAPTURE

[PlainWord]

The above is completely and utterly, false! Jesus is not the one who made or will make a covenant for one week, as it is the man of lawlessness, the antichrist who will do that, which is coming soon.

Too bad, Jesus already made that covenant. I hope you didn't miss it?

Matthew 26:28

For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Luke 22:20
Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Romans 11:27
For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”

2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Here you have the exact same terms used by Daniel. Jesus confirms the covenant.

Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.

Hebrews 7:22

by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Hebrews 8:6
But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:24
to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

How many times does Jesus need to confirm the covenant or mention it for you to see it? The antichrist is not confirming any covenant with God's people. He comes to kill them, not to make false peace with them.

Got to run. You see, the Cross was the biggest event in human history other than creation itself.

 

[PlainWord]

Dan 9: “Seventy weeks are determined For your people and for your holy city:

To finish the transgression,
To make an end ofsins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

The above is all about Daniel's people and their Holy City Jerusalem. Keep in mind this: JESUS IS ONE OF DANIEL'S PEOPLE, from the root of Jesse. These are things that the Jews do, not the false Jews.

Daniel's 70 weeks covers the end of Babylonian captivity until Christ dies on the Cross. The Cross is the single biggest event in world history next to creation itself.

All of the items on Daniel's list were finished by the time we come to the Cross at Week 69.5. None of these things has anything to do with the Antichrist some 2,000 years later after a break that is not taught. Compare the wording in bold from Dan 9 to the wording in bold below. Allow the Bible to interpret itself.

Isa 53: [SUP]5 [/SUP]But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities

Eph 1: In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace.

Psm 119: Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, And Your law is truth.

Dan 12: [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said, “Go your way, Daniel, for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

Mark 14: She has done what she could. She has come beforehand to anoint My body for burial.

The Antichrist comes to complete the deception of Satan's people (Muslims - those worshiping the False Prophet and following the false god). See, it is not possible for the Elect to be deceived.

Mat 24: [SUP]24 [/SUP]For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

The Antichrist isn't going to fool too many Jews, if any. The AntiChrist is the King of the North from Daniel 11:31-on. He is NOT THE PRINCE TO COME as that was Titus. Titus destroyed the city and temple which are events not listed in the above list.

 

[Bladerunner]

Too bad, Jesus already made that covenant. I hope you didn't miss it?

Matthew 26:28

For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Luke 22:20
Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.

Romans 11:27
For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”

2 Corinthians 3:6
who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Here you have the exact same terms used by Daniel. Jesus confirms the covenant.

Galatians 3:17
And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect.

Hebrews 7:22

by so much more Jesus has become a surety of a better covenant.

Hebrews 8:6
But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

Hebrews 12:24
to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

How many times does Jesus need to confirm the covenant or mention it for you to see it? The antichrist is not confirming any covenant with God's people. He comes to kill them, not to make false peace with them.

Got to run. You see, the Cross was the biggest event in human history other than creation itself.

I believe that the covenant the anti-christ makes with Israel is for 'land' which is broken in the later 42 months of the great tribulatons. Jesus give his covenant with us, (The Jews and the Gentiles) who believe in his gospel.

 

[miknik5]

The first death is a spiritual death. Not one human being who woke up in the first Earth understood what the voice of God was. Without hearing the voice of God and obeying all his commandments like all the former prophets and saints did and forced to obey, you're spiritually dead until after your second death which is the death of your flesh. Those who heard the voice of God ( the gospel ) preached by God's servants and believed everything they heard learn about life after the death of the flesh. Those who heard all about Eternal Life lose their flesh but know that isn't the end of them. They learn that in the New Heaven and Earth, they will get new flesh;

Ezekiel 371: The hand of the LORD was upon me, and he brought me out by the Spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley; it was full of bones.
2: And he led me round among them; and behold, there were very many upon the valley; and lo, they were very dry.
3: And he said to me, "Son of man, can these bones live?" And I answered, "O Lord GOD, thou knowest."
4: Again he said to me, "Prophesy to these bones, and say to them, O dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5: Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones: Behold, I will cause breath to enter you, and you shall live.
6: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will cause flesh to come upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and you shall live; and you shall know that I am the LORD."

Adam did understand what it meant to hear the voice of GOD and to be in the full and holy presence of GOD Adam, before sin entered the world, was fully alive and he enjoyed perfect fellowship with GOD

 

[miknik5]

You have to have some knowledge of the word of God in order to understand that the ruler "He" in verse 26 is the antichrist. In 2 Thes.2:3, Paul referred to him as "the man of lawlessness." In the epistles of John, he referred to him as "the antichrist." And in Revelation, he is referred to as "the beast."

He is the litter horn that speaks boastful words recorded in Dan.7:8, who is synonymous with the beast of Revelation 13:5 who is said to speak boastful words against God and his dwelling place and those in heaven. By cross-referencing and comparing scripture is how we are able to come to these conclusions, which obviously are not able to do.

You say that my translation is a disgrace, well I just proved the truth regarding the antichrist as being the "He" in Dan.9:27 and that the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period as being the great tribulation period and that because Jesus identified it as being so. [/SIZE]



[/SIZE]Dan.9:27 has everything to do with the great tribulation. Please pay attention to the following, not that it will matter to you.

"So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great tribulation, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.22“If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."

According to Dan.9:27, it is in the middle of the seven years that the abomination is set up in the holy place. In Matt.24:15-21, Jesus quoted Dan.9:27 and referred to the time from the setting up of the abomination and that last 3 1/2 years, as that time of great tribulation.

[quoteFOR THE OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS means BECAUSE OF THEIR MANY SINS
HE SHALL MAKE IT DESOLATE

Jesus clarified KJV of Dan.9:27, as not the "overspreading of abominations" but the setting of the abomination in the holy place, which will be the signal for Israel to flee out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God where he will care for her for 1,260 (3 1/2 years). At the end of that 3 1/2 years is when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.



[/COLOR]The above is completely and utterly, false! Jesus is not the one who made or will make a covenant for one week, as it is the man of lawlessness, the antichrist who will do that, which is coming soon. [/QUOTE]
Tell him about the "man in linen" who was detained "21 days" and no one helped him but Michael, the prince of Daniel's people

 

[miknik5]

The antichrist and false prophet are names that refer to the flesh of man that perishes while the spirit remains in the word of God.

Isaiah 40
6: A voice says, "Cry!" And I said, "What shall I cry?" All flesh is grass, and all its beauty is like the flower of the field.
7: The grass withers, the flower fades, when the breath of the LORD blows upon it; surely the people is grass.
8: The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever.

The anti christ and the false prophet are names of those who are being led by the spirit of the wrong father

Isaiah 8

 

[miknik5]

I believe that the covenant the anti-christ makes with Israel is for 'land' which is broken in the later 42 months of the great tribulatons. Jesus give his covenant with us, (The Jews and the Gentiles) who believe in his gospel.

I believe it is to rebuild the earthly temple

 

[miknik5]

How many times have I told you now that you won't find the Great Tribulation there? The 5th seal is dealing with the mental torture Satan uses on his followers of Islam to entice them to come to Armageddon to flight Jesus at the 6th seal. It is at the Battle of Armageddon where 1/3 of mankind is killed. They will mostly be Muslims with some Russians too.

Where do you place the 1000 year reign?

 

[GaryA]

When the Bible speaks of 'resurrection', it is not merely talking about "being raised from the dead"; it is talking about an event - in a singular sense -- which can be readily seen from these passages / verses:


Matthew 22:

[SUP]23[/SUP] The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him, [SUP]24[/SUP] Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. [SUP]25[/SUP] Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother: [SUP]26[/SUP] Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh. [SUP]27[/SUP] And last of all the woman died also. [SUP]28[/SUP] Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. [SUP]29[/SUP] Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. [SUP]30[/SUP] For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.


Jesus refers to it as it were a singular event - not an "anytime someone is raised from the dead" occurance. Notice that he says that those who are resurrected are "as the angels" --- did Lazarus - or the people who came out of the graves after Christ's resurrection - become "as the angels"...? Of course not... Because, they were "raised from the dead" - not 'resurrected'. There is a difference...


Matthew 27:

[SUP]52[/SUP] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, [SUP]53[/SUP] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


The people who came out of the graves after the Lord's resurrection were "raised from the dead", but they were not 'resurrected'. It does not say that they were [ also ] resurrected - nor were they in any way "resurrected with Jesus"; the only mention of resurrection is made about Jesus.


Luke 14:

[SUP]12[/SUP] Then said he also to him that bade him, When thou makest a dinner or a supper, call not thy friends, nor thy brethren, neither thy kinsmen, nor thy rich neighbours; lest they also bid thee again, and a recompence be made thee. [SUP]13[/SUP] But when thou makest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind: [SUP]14[/SUP] And thou shalt be blessed; for they cannot recompense thee: for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of the just.


The 'resurrection' is referred to as an 'event'.


Luke 20:

[SUP]27[/SUP] Then came to him certain of the Sadducees, which deny that there is any resurrection; and they asked him, [SUP]28[/SUP] Saying, Master, Moses wrote unto us, If any man's brother die, having a wife, and he die without children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. [SUP]29[/SUP] There were therefore seven brethren: and the first took a wife, and died without children. [SUP]30[/SUP] And the second took her to wife, and he died childless. [SUP]31[/SUP] And the third took her; and in like manner the seven also: and they left no children, and died. [SUP]32[/SUP] Last of all the woman died also. [SUP]33[/SUP] Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife. [SUP]34[/SUP] And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: [SUP]35[/SUP] But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: [SUP]36[/SUP] Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.


The 'resurrection' is referred to as an 'event'.

Did Lazarus die again? Was he "equal" with angels the day Jesus brought him forth from the grave?


John 5:

[SUP]28[/SUP] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [SUP]29[/SUP] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


Two different - yet singular - events.


Acts 23:

[SUP]6[/SUP] But when Paul perceived that the one part were Sadducees, and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. [SUP]7[/SUP] And when he had so said, there arose a dissension between the Pharisees and the Sadducees: and the multitude was divided. [SUP]8[/SUP] For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.


The Pharisees believed in a resurrection of angels. Do angels have a physical body?

The point here is that they believed that 'resurrection' involved something of a scope that was greater than "a physical body being raised from the dead"...


1 Corinthians 15:

[SUP]12[/SUP] Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? [SUP]13[/SUP] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: [SUP]14[/SUP] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. [SUP]15[/SUP] Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not. [SUP]16[/SUP] For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised: [SUP]17[/SUP] And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. [SUP]18[/SUP] Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished. [SUP]19[/SUP] If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable. [SUP]20[/SUP] But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. { If 'resurrection' was merely "being raised from the dead", would Lazarus have not preceded Christ? } [SUP]21[/SUP] For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. [SUP]22[/SUP] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [SUP]23[/SUP] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. { EVERYONE who will be 'resurrected' - "in Christ" - will experience it at the Second Coming of Christ. } . . . [SUP]35[/SUP] But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? [SUP]36[/SUP] Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: [SUP]37[/SUP] And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: [SUP]38[/SUP] But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. [SUP]39[/SUP] All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. [SUP]40[/SUP] There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. [SUP]41[/SUP] There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory. [SUP]42[/SUP] So also is the resurrection of the dead. { A 'resurrected' body is its own unique "type" of body. } It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: [SUP]43[/SUP] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: [SUP]44[/SUP] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. [SUP]45[/SUP] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. [SUP]46[/SUP] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [SUP]47[/SUP] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [SUP]48[/SUP] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [SUP]49[/SUP] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. [SUP]50[/SUP] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. [SUP]51[/SUP] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [SUP]52[/SUP] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [SUP]53[/SUP] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [SUP]54[/SUP] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. [SUP]55[/SUP] O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?


A 'resurrected' body is one that has been "changed" from one that is 'curruptible' into one that is 'incorruptible'.

Did Lazarus obtain a 'spiritual' body? Or, [ just ] the-same-ole-physical-body ('curruptible') that he had before he died - only, "raised" back to life?


Hebrews 11:

[SUP]35[/SUP] Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:


Men were raised back to life again. Only to die again later. Not 'resurrected'.

Notice the mention of the resurrection at the end of the verse -- as a [ future ] event.


Revelation 20:

[SUP]4[/SUP] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [SUP]5[/SUP] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [SUP]6[/SUP] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


If Lazarus - or the people who came out of the graves after Christ's resurrection - were 'resurrected' -- how could this be the "first" resurrection? ( It is obviously understood that the resurrection of Christ - while "firstfruits" - and, an event-of-all-events - is still, in this context, not considered in the "numbering" of resurrections as events. I believe this is partly because the resurrection of Christ had already occurred at the time this was written. Also, in this context, this is referring to a resurrection of a "general" kind that applies to mankind -- where, Jesus - the 'God-man' - is excepted. )

You see --- 'resurrection' is not only talking about "being raised from the dead" - but also, "obtaining a 'glorified' body" -- even the lost will, in a sense, have a 'glorified' body - in the sense that that body will not "die and decay" in its 'physical' existence; rather, it will "exist" forever in the 'environment' of the lake of fire.

Lazarus was raised from the dead, but he was not 'resurrected'.

The people who came out of the graves after Christ's resurrection were raised from the dead, but they were not 'resurrected'.

At this point in time, only Christ has 'resurrected'.

No one else has obtained any kind of 'resurrection'.

 

[GaryA]

The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. stopped the clock, it started back in in 1967.

I am assuming that this is a notation about the often-presumed "gap" in Daniel's 70 weeks --- in which case, I would comment that the clock "ran out" 35-36 years before 70 A.D.

 

[GaryA]

There is no resurrection at rev 20.

Is that why it says "This is the first resurrection" in Revelation 20:5...?

 

[GaryA]

The "time of the Gentiles" began at the end of the "time of the Jews" -- 490 years after "the decree went forth to rebuild Jerusalem" in 457 B.C.

The "time of the Jews" is what Daniel 9:24-27 is all about!

 

[GaryA]

Hell miknik5, ...

LOL

Just imagine hearing this being said as it is written here...

( Somehow, I think Ahwatukee will probably "make really sure" that he gets that 'o' on there from now on... )

HAHAHAHA

 

[bornofgod]

Where do you place the 1000 year reign?

The 1,000 year reign of Christ started the moment the voice of God began revealing the knowledge about Satan, the Beast and Christ through the testimonies of all God's saints starting 2,000 years ago during the first witness.

We are experiencing the second witness now which won't last much longer. That's because the voice of God ( Word of God ) is now understood as the source of all God's creation. Through the testimonies of all God's saints, the full knowledge of the Truth has been revealed and now we're ready to experience the age ending destruction called the fire of God.

John 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: He was in the beginning with God;
3: all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
4: In him was life, and the life was the light of men.


John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.


Matthew 24
14: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.


Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

Revelation 21
1: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

It won't be long from now that the earth below your feet will start shaking violently to kill all the rest of the inhabitants on earth who believed they were real people.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

The spirit of man will be freed in the Word of God and it will awaken in new flesh in the New Heaven and Earth without remembering suffering in the first heaven and earth experience.

Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18: But be glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19: I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.

 

[PlainWord]

I believe that the covenant the anti-christ makes with Israel is for 'land' which is broken in the later 42 months of the great tribulatons. Jesus give his covenant with us, (The Jews and the Gentiles) who believe in his gospel.

There is no covenant that the Antichrist makes with Israel. As I explained above, the covenant in Dan 9 was the covenant Christ made.

However, if you read Dan 11:31 - on which is the real passage which discusses the Antichrist you see that he favors (shows regards for) the people who disregard or forsake the holy covenant. Given the context of where they are, these people who forsake the holy covenant that the King of the North will favor must be Palestinians.

As I pointed out and proved time and time again, the Great Tribulation is the all out attack by overwhelming Islamic forces (Israel's enemies). The King of the North (which many call the antichrist) will come into Israel and ally with the Palestinians to defile the Wailing Wall. These forces that he musters will be the Palestinians at first. They do this:

“So he shall return and show regard for those who forsake the holy covenant. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And forces shall be mustered by him and they shall defile the sanctuary fortress; then they shall take away the daily sacrifices...

The Great Tribulation does not begin until later, when the Abomination of Desolation is set up. It is at this point that those in Judea (only Judea is mentioned) are to flee as we see in Mat 24:

[SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), [SUP]16 [/SUP]“then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains... [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Read the above text in bold. It is all about Israel being attacked after the A of D is set up. [The Abomination of Desolation is not found in Dan 9. In Dan 9 it is the overspreading of abominations (many sins) that is found. The word in Dan 9 is abominations (plural with an "s"). There is only one Abomination (no "s") of Desolation and it is found in Dan 11 and 12]. This is where so many of you are going wrong. You are in the wrong chapter. Get out of Dan 9 and into Dan 11 and 12!!

After the Wailing Wall is defiled which ends the daily prayers, 1,290 days later the Abomination of Desolation is set up.

and place there the abomination of desolation. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery...

As we saw in Mat 24, the moment the A of D is set up at the wailing wall (sanctuary fortress) the attack against Israel will begin. It is at this moment that the Great Tribulation begins as we see here:

THIS IS THE GREAT TRIBULATION (and it is only applicable to Israel):

...but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits. [SUP]33 [/SUP]And those of the people who understand shall instruct many; yet for many days they shall fall by sword and flame, by captivity and plundering. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Now when they fall, they shall be aided with a little help; but many shall join with them by intrigue. [SUP]35 [/SUP]And some of those of understanding shall fall, to refine them, purify them, and make them white, until the time of the end; because it is still for the appointed time.

The GT lasts < 45 days as we later see in Dan 12. (Remember, those days are cut short)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]“And from the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand two hundred and ninety days. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days.

1,335 - 1,290 = 45 days, the real length of time for the Great Tribulation!!

We are not going to see 7 years of a drawn out attack against Israel. The last war in 1967 lasted just 6 days. Given the forces that will align against Israel, and the sheer magnitude of the attack, it will be over fast then the Lord returns once all hope is lost.

There is so much misunderstanding and false teaching about this event that has worked its way into the church. So when you see what I wrote start to happen, knowledge will increase and Christians around the globe will finally start seeing straight on this subject.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Hello bornofGod,

The 1,000 year reign of Christ started the moment the voice of God began revealing the knowledge about Satan, the Beast and Christ through the testimonies of all God's saints starting 2,000 years ago during the first witness.

Scripture is very clear in that, the 1000 year reign of Christ will be a literal 1000 years and doesn't begin until Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, which hasn't happened yet. During that time Christ will literally be on the earth ruling for Jerusalem from the throne of David, as prophesied. Some of the characteristics of that time will be that the lion will eat straw like the Ox, prey and predator animals and their young will lie down together and if a man dies at a 100 years old, he will be thought to be cursed and only a mere child. During that time, the peace of the Lord will fill the earth. That said, this is hardly the current state of the earth. The order of events are as follows:

* The Lord's appearing to gather the church

* Revealing of the antichrist and the initiation of that last seven years

* God's wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments

* The Lord's return to the earth to end the age

* The beast and the false prophet are thrown alive into the lake of fire

* Satan locked up in the Abyss during the 1000 year reign of Christ

* Christ's 1000 year reign

 

[PlainWord]

Where do you place the 1000 year reign?

Right where its taught. The souls were seen in heaven "alive and reigning" with Christ. Those souls got to heaven by virtue of being part of the "first resurrection" when they accepted Christ and became "born again." Becoming "born again" is the first resurrection. They put to "death" their old self and became alive as "new men" and "new creations."

This is the first resurrection. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power.

The only way to avoid the second death (which is the spiritual death) is to become "born again." Therefore the first resurrection must = becoming "born again."

Christ was given His crown and kingdom, an EVERLASTING kingdom, when He returned to Heaven.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]“I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.

The above shows where Christ was taken after the "cloud" escorted Him back to heaven in Acts 1. Although Christ is in heaven, He is reigning over all of us. That's why we are called, "Christians" since we keep the Gospel and faith.

As far as we know, souls don't reign on earth, right? Muslims have been beheading Christians since the 600s. Thousands were beheaded in the 700s. Then during the Crusades (1000s to 1200s) many more Christians were beheaded. During the Ottoman Empire from 1299 to 1922 an estimated 50 million Christians were killed including 1-3 million Armenian Christians slaughtered from 1915 to 1922. So, we can say that those beheaded souls (some of them anyway) have been "living and reigning" with Christ over 1,000 years.

BTW, when we die and go to heaven, what are we given?

Rev 2:10: ...Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.

 

[miknik5]

The 1,000 year reign of Christ started the moment the voice of God began revealing the knowledge about Satan, the Beast and Christ through the testimonies of all God's saints starting 2,000 years ago during the first witness.

We are experiencing the second witness now which won't last much longer. That's because the voice of God ( Word of God ) is now understood as the source of all God's creation. Through the testimonies of all God's saints, the full knowledge of the Truth has been revealed and now we're ready to experience the age ending destruction called the fire of God.

John 1
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: He was in the beginning with God;
3: all things were made through him, and without him was not anything made that was made.
4: In him was life, and the life was the light of men.


John 6
63: It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.


Matthew 24
14: And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached throughout the whole world, as a testimony to all nations; and then the end will come.


Isaiah 24
18: He who flees at the sound of the terror shall fall into the pit; and he who climbs out of the pit shall be caught in the snare. For the windows of heaven are opened, and the foundations of the earth tremble.
19: The earth is utterly broken, the earth is rent asunder, the earth is violently shaken.
20: The earth staggers like a drunken man, it sways like a hut; its transgression lies heavy upon it, and it falls, and will not rise again.

2 Peter 3
10: But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a loud noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.
11: Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of persons ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness,
12: waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be kindled and dissolved, and the elements will melt with fire!
13: But according to his promise we wait for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Matthew 5
18: For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

Revelation 21
1: Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more.

It won't be long from now that the earth below your feet will start shaking violently to kill all the rest of the inhabitants on earth who believed they were real people.

Zephaniah 1
18: Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them on the day of the wrath of the LORD. In the fire of his jealous wrath, all the earth shall be consumed; for a full, yea, sudden end he will make of all the inhabitants of the earth.

The spirit of man will be freed in the Word of God and it will awaken in new flesh in the New Heaven and Earth without remembering suffering in the first heaven and earth experience.

Isaiah 65
16: So that he who blesses himself in the land shall bless himself by the God of truth, and he who takes an oath in the land shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten and are hid from my eyes.
17: "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18: But be glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19: I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.

Where do you place the 144,000 since you are claiming we are already in the 1000 year reign and Satan is already bound and the two witnesses are really a mass of believing saints and not actually two "heavenly" witnesses who have never suffered physical death


And if this is true than the last witness, angels having the everlasting Gospel, where are they placed since you are claiming that this is the 1000 year reign?

when do they these angels get to preach?

 

[miknik5]

BornofGod,. I would also like your understanding of 2thesselonians 2: "when HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way"

 

[PlainWord]

Jesus clarified KJV of Dan.9:27, as not the "overspreading of abominations" but the setting of the abomination in the holy place, which will be the signal for Israel to flee out into the desert to that place prepared for her by God where he will care for her for 1,260 (3 1/2 years). At the end of that 3 1/2 years is when Christ returns to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom.



[/COLOR]The above is completely and utterly, false! Jesus is not the one who made or will make a covenant for one week, as it is the man of lawlessness, the antichrist who will do that, which is coming soon.

Sadly so many refuse to understand or are incapable of understanding. I am not aware of any translation that has the Abomination of Desolation being set up in Dan 9. It is in Dan 11 and 12. Get out of Dan 9 and into Dan 11 if you want to actually learn the truth.

Mat 24: [SUP]15 [/SUP]“Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation - SINGULAR
Dan 11: ...and place there the abomination of desolation. - SINGULAR
Dan 12: ...and the abomination of desolation is set up... - SINGULAR

Dan 9: overspreading of abominations - PLURAL (many sins) KJV
Dan 9: wing of abominations - PLURAL (outer edge of bad acts) NKJV

Christ did this:

He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

He did it here:

Matthew 27:51

Then, behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split,

From that moment on, God would no longer accept any animal sacrifices or prayers from the priests of Israel.

Don't worry, you can still have your "antichrist" he is called the King of the North and can be found in Dan 11:31-45 and as the Man of Sin in 2 Thes 2.

Oh, BTW, there will be no third man-made Jewish Temple built before Christ returns. Hate to break the news to those who have been waiting .