Guns, Hunting, and anything else remotely related...

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

I built my AR as a DMR, so it's far too long and too heavy to fire from the shoulder. It's purpose is to engage targets from 0-500 yards (or more if I have match ammo). My bullpup will be my home defense weapon. Some scoff at a 22 for home defense, but a 36 grain hollow point through a man's eye socket will do a nice job, and I can put them in that spot all day long out to about 50 yards.

 

[hornetguy]

Yes.... I imagine a flurry of 40gr solids in the face area would deter most anyone....

For that matter, a flurry of 40gr solids in center mass will probably slow them down enough to butt-stroke them to the floor....

And they are much quieter than an un-suppressed AR...

 

[Desdichado]

I'll probably never use an AR for home defense for that reason. I'm insanely protective of my hearing and ARs are insanely loud indoors.

If mine ever does see indoor use, it's getting a can.

 

[Desdichado]

I'm glad none of you are tactitards. Weight is important to me. Why take the unnecessary toll on shootability and sustained use?

That said, I'm still looking for a good 0-300 yard optic. Nutnfancy likes the holosuns.

Next gun purchase though will be a shotgun with a light.

 

[Desdichado]

Yes.... I imagine a flurry of 40gr solids in the face area would deter most anyone....

For that matter, a flurry of 40gr solids in center mass will probably slow them down enough to butt-stroke them to the floor....

And they are much quieter than an un-suppressed AR...

Yeah, one well-placed round from a .22 rifle can ruin or end a life. I've been thinking of doing something similar for my HD.

 

[hornetguy]

The only problem with the .22's is the lack of "impact".... very little mushrooming... just basically poking 22 caliber holes in something.

That's why I would recommend basically emptying it into an aggressor, trying for CNS hits, then using it for a club, if necessary.

One .22 can kill, but it can take a while... look at Pres. Reagan... shot in a fairly "soft" spot under the arm, with pretty good penetration (reportedly), but he handily survived with immediate treatment. Without treatment, he likely would have died, bleeding out internally, but it would have taken a while.. And, a determined aggressor can do a LOT of damage to you and yours before bleeding out.

A wood stocked semi-auto .22, like a 10/22 with a dependable 25 round mag would be pretty nice.

 

[Desdichado]

The only problem with the .22's is the lack of "impact".... very little mushrooming... just basically poking 22 caliber holes in something.

That's why I would recommend basically emptying it into an aggressor, trying for CNS hits, then using it for a club, if necessary.

One .22 can kill, but it can take a while... look at Pres. Reagan... shot in a fairly "soft" spot under the arm, with pretty good penetration (reportedly), but he handily survived with immediate treatment. Without treatment, he likely would have died, bleeding out internally, but it would have taken a while.. And, a determined aggressor can do a LOT of damage to you and yours before bleeding out.

A wood stocked semi-auto .22, like a 10/22 with a dependable 25 round mag would be pretty nice.

Can't argue with that. Very much a downside. Sounds like our boy is capable of making those necessary CNS shots though.

 

[Desdichado]

Isn't it amazing how much you learn about anatomy when you get in to self-defense?

So much I didn't know. The human body is amazing at still ticking after taking a licking. Even shots to the heart are not a done deal.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

The only problem with the .22's is the lack of "impact".... very little mushrooming... just basically poking 22 caliber holes in something.

That's why I would recommend basically emptying it into an aggressor, trying for CNS hits, then using it for a club, if necessary.

One .22 can kill, but it can take a while... look at Pres. Reagan... shot in a fairly "soft" spot under the arm, with pretty good penetration (reportedly), but he handily survived with immediate treatment. Without treatment, he likely would have died, bleeding out internally, but it would have taken a while.. And, a determined aggressor can do a LOT of damage to you and yours before bleeding out.

A wood stocked semi-auto .22, like a 10/22 with a dependable 25 round mag would be pretty nice.

What I hope for, should I ever need to be in that situation, is that the 22 would first and foremost convince some aggressor that it's just not worth it. I don't aim to maim - if I pull the trigger, it's an intended kill shot. If that doesn't stop them and I'm in a dire situation anyhow, I know I'll be armed with my 1911 on the drop-leg holster. If even that isn't enough, a large hunting/fighting knife is on the other hip. I'm trying to go from long range to up close and personal and have it all covered in a compact package.

It is my hope that I can live from now til Rapture and never need to draw down on someone.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

I'm glad none of you are tactitards. Weight is important to me. Why take the unnecessary toll on shootability and sustained use?

That said, I'm still looking for a good 0-300 yard optic. Nutnfancy likes the holosuns.

Next gun purchase though will be a shotgun with a light.

I have a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40mm on my AR15 and I love it. It's got the bullet-drop-compensating reticle and Nikon provides the software (even for smartphones) to input your zero distance and your bullet's characteristics, and it will spit out the hold-overs for you at known distances.

 

[Desdichado]

I have a Nikon Prostaff 3-9x40mm on my AR15 and I love it. It's got the bullet-drop-compensating reticle and Nikon provides the software (even for smartphones) to input your zero distance and your bullet's characteristics, and it will spit out the hold-overs for you at known distances.

Wow. That's really cool.

Here I thought they only made cameras. Silly me.

 

[Desdichado]

What I hope for, should I ever need to be in that situation, is that the 22 would first and foremost convince some aggressor that it's just not worth it. I don't aim to maim - if I pull the trigger, it's an intended kill shot. If that doesn't stop them and I'm in a dire situation anyhow, I know I'll be armed with my 1911 on the drop-leg holster. If even that isn't enough, a large hunting/fighting knife is on the other hip. I'm trying to go from long range to up close and personal and have it all covered in a compact package.

It is my hope that I can live from now til Rapture and never need to draw down on someone.

Same. I've always got my G19 on my gun belt ready to strap on and go if it has to be.

That plus an 870/Mossy 500 with a light and I think I'll be squared away for HD.

 

[Desdichado]

Now if it's WROL, 20 attacker kind of home defense, I'm busting out my AR.

 

[hornetguy]

Nikon makes pretty good scopes... I have a couple of them.

My AR scope is just a 4X... for precision paper-punching, I really need at least a 9X for 100yds. But, if I get lucky, and jerk the trigger the same way every time, mine groups in an inch or so at 100yds as is... since I likely won't be hunting prarie dogs with it, I imagine that's good enough.

My goal is to get an AR10, though.... a true "do everything" rifle. A "reach out and smack someone" rifle (to paraphrase Ma Bell)

 

[Desdichado]

Nikon makes pretty good scopes... I have a couple of them.

My AR scope is just a 4X... for precision paper-punching, I really need at least a 9X for 100yds. But, if I get lucky, and jerk the trigger the same way every time, mine groups in an inch or so at 100yds as is... since I likely won't be hunting prarie dogs with it, I imagine that's good enough.

My goal is to get an AR10, though.... a true "do everything" rifle. A "reach out and smack someone" rifle (to paraphrase Ma Bell)

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I imagine they are fairly priced as well. Worth looking into.

 

[Desdichado]

I heard somewhere that the AR-10's have reliability issues. Technology is improving so fast though.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

Nikon makes pretty good scopes... I have a couple of them.

My AR scope is just a 4X... for precision paper-punching, I really need at least a 9X for 100yds. But, if I get lucky, and jerk the trigger the same way every time, mine groups in an inch or so at 100yds as is... since I likely won't be hunting prarie dogs with it, I imagine that's good enough.

My goal is to get an AR10, though.... a true "do everything" rifle. A "reach out and smack someone" rifle (to paraphrase Ma Bell)

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Yeah dude! I lust after an AR10. It's past my pay grade right now, but I'd love to have one eventually.

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

I heard somewhere that the AR-10's have reliability issues. Technology is improving so fast though.

It's a matter of using the right parts and blueprinting them. An AR10 isn't something a person just buys parts for from Brownell's and Midway and slaps together in a weekend. There are a lot of areas to pay attention to in order to get one running right, like lapping the face of the upper receiver, polishing the CRAP out of the feed lugs, etc. Then, a person doesn't just pick up NATO ammo and expect it to run right for very long. Best to know someone or have the equipment yourself to load your own shells.

I had debated between building an AR10 or dropping the coin on a Ruger Precision Rifle. They would be about the same price, and the only reason I like the AR10 is NOT having to cycle the action between shots.

 

[Desdichado]

It's a matter of using the right parts and blueprinting them. An AR10 isn't something a person just buys parts for from Brownell's and Midway and slaps together in a weekend. There are a lot of areas to pay attention to in order to get one running right, like lapping the face of the upper receiver, polishing the CRAP out of the feed lugs, etc. Then, a person doesn't just pick up NATO ammo and expect it to run right for very long. Best to know someone or have the equipment yourself to load your own shells.

I had debated between building an AR10 or dropping the coin on a Ruger Precision Rifle. They would be about the same price, and the only reason I like the AR10 is NOT having to cycle the action between shots.

Wow. If I want .308 capability that bad, I think I'll just save up for a SCAR.

 

[EmilyNats]

Okay, so are ARs in general picky? Because this stuff you guys have been saying about them are sort of discouraging to me.