Charismatic - Losing Faith (Healing)

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Cee

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It might sound weird to us, but Scripture says he received double. I am quoting Scripture on this, but no I don't think losing a kid and getting 10 back would be considered receiving even double, but Scripture in this case does.

Does that really work for you? Job lost all his kids. God gave him more kids, but they were not the children he lost. Sad that you think that's doubling. Weird that you think everything was fixed 40 days later.
 

Cee

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Okay so Miriam received sickness to show she needed to listen to Moses. They didn't have Christ. We are in a better covenant. And she didn't die of it. The lepers came to Jesus, with their society shunning them thinking it was something they or their family before them did, but these lepers knew Jesus could restore them, so they said if you be willing, and He said I am willing be cleansed. We know God is able, but where the enemy throws seeds of doubt is He willing? He is willing.

You said it's not in Scripture that we are to healed? But it is. Is ANY sick? Let them receive the prayer of faith and they SHALL be restored. No mention of gifts of healing here, just a simple prayer of faith from one who is mature in Christ.

Yes we will die, but we don't need to die from sickness. Plenty of people die in their sleep peacefully. This idea that God is glorified by sickness or even death shows us we don't understand the purpose of Him who is called Life.

Death is the last ENEMY to go.
And WE are called to destroy the works of the devil.
And in THIS our Father is glorified.
He is the Spirit of Liberty.

I read a lot of threads and hear people say God doesn't cause illness, but then I think of the example of Miriam and leprosy.

I remember talking to a teenager who lost faith because the false words and teaching of his church. They blamed his lack of faith as to why his father wasn't healed and died.

So it bothers me when people make these assertions that God promises physical healing of these dying bodies for all people, when it is obvious that He doesn't.

It's not in scripture.

God promises death of these bodies and new resurrected bodies. He promises that you will be given what you need to fulfill your God given mission in this world.

He promises punishment for those who seek their lust over His will and are adulterers to this world.

Yes God can heal people. Yes God still does miracles.

However, if our suffering brings us closer to God, then we should rejoice. If our pain can be used for His glory, we should endure. Looking towards eternity with Him and not at these temporal trappings.

This temporal body may or may not be healed of its current ullness, but have faith that you will be given a body that does not get sick or die upon Christ return.

That is what I hope for and when this world seeks to crush me into despair...I lift my eyes to the Lord and remember His love and promises. I remember that I am not home yet, but will glorify God and shine a light for those lost to come back home.
 
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It might sound weird to us, but Scripture says he received double. I am quoting Scripture on this, but no I don't think losing a kid and getting 10 back would be considered receiving even double, but Scripture in this case does.

Who knows better than God Himself about how to comfort His suffering servant Job?? Job prayed all the time about his wayward kids. He worried all the time about what they were doing wrong. I believe God also taught Job that he can't worry his kids out of trouble. Like many of us parents have tired to do as well.

We can't take on prayer by daily coming to God and reiterating our worry. But we have to come to a place where we accept God's ability to love them more than we ever could and leave them in His capable hands. I don't think Job did this.

I can see as a parent how God comforted Job even in the fact that Job lost his children and that God gave him even more children. God most certainly knows how to mend and comfort the human heart after it has been broken. If God says Job got back double than what he lost than I also believe Job's losses were nothing to be compared to the conclusion God had for him instead.

I'm so thankful for this kind of grace that He has for all of us. His ways are much higher than ours., and well worth believing and seeking.
 
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Jesus said healing people from sickness brings God glory.

Jesus was persecuted He didn't die from sickness. We are called to be persecuted, but love them anyway. This preaches a Kingdom that makes no sense to the world. This is the love of God. To lay down your life for even your enemies. The Early church did this. Their blood was the seed of Christianity. But you must understand Jesus told us to heal the sick. And Jesus Healed the sick. Jesus never told people it was God's will that they be sick. He never said God gers glory from their sickness. And several times He said He loosed people from the grasp of Satan. And THIS freedom brings God glory.
Not easy to keep standing on the word when everything is pointing away.

There is a "wavering/sort of" faith and a "knowing" faith.

Another ingredient is the devil.

Most form opinions,formulated into "facts" and present it as "wisdom"

The real blown out"knowing" type of faith never goes by eyesight,or past failures.

Failure exists to learn from.

One thing never changes. And that is this; there never was and never will be trial,sickness or demonic attack where God wasn't supposed to win.

There may be seasons of trials, attacks ,storms of life or SICKNESS,but God's character is utter victory.

What happens is complex humanoids through sin and whoredoms,and disobedience create footholds for the enemy,and without addressing those roadblocks victory is lost.

Anyone with a grudge,or lust,or thievery in their heart,won't get far,and no help from heaven then gets transposed into " oh well,see that? God just doesn't heal everyone"

So,how desperate are we?

Can we put all the cards on the table?
 
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popeye

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Okay so Miriam received sickness to show she needed to listen to Moses. They didn't have Christ. We are in a better covenant. And she didn't die of it. The lepers came to Jesus, with their society shunning them thinking it was something they or their family before them did, but these lepers knew Jesus could restore them, so they said if you be willing, and He said I am willing be cleansed. We know God is able, but where the enemy throws seeds of doubt is He willing? He is willing.

You said it's not in Scripture that we are to healed? But it is. Is ANY sick? Let them receive the prayer of faith and they SHALL be restored. No mention of gifts of healing here, just a simple prayer of faith from one who is mature in Christ.

Yes we will die, but we don't need to die from sickness. Plenty of people die in their sleep peacefully. This idea that God is glorified by sickness or even death shows us we don't understand the purpose of Him who is called Life.

Death is the last ENEMY to go.
And WE are called to destroy the works of the devil.
And in THIS our Father is glorified.
He is the Spirit of Liberty.
She had a job experience

She was restored LOL
 

notuptome

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Okay so Miriam received sickness to show she needed to listen to Moses. They didn't have Christ. We are in a better covenant. And she didn't die of it. The lepers came to Jesus, with their society shunning them thinking it was something they or their family before them did, but these lepers knew Jesus could restore them, so they said if you be willing, and He said I am willing be cleansed. We know God is able, but where the enemy throws seeds of doubt is He willing? He is willing.

You said it's not in Scripture that we are to healed? But it is. Is ANY sick? Let them receive the prayer of faith and they SHALL be restored. No mention of gifts of healing here, just a simple prayer of faith from one who is mature in Christ.

Yes we will die, but we don't need to die from sickness. Plenty of people die in their sleep peacefully. This idea that God is glorified by sickness or even death shows us we don't understand the purpose of Him who is called Life.

Death is the last ENEMY to go.
And WE are called to destroy the works of the devil.
And in THIS our Father is glorified.
He is the Spirit of Liberty.
Miriam was judged and received condemnation for her sin. There is condemnation or judgment now and for the lost future condemnation. Sin always has consequences even for the believer.

Are you willing to surrender your body to God to use as He deems appropriate? Even unto death? It is His to do with as He pleases according to scripture.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain

My hope is not in this world and not of this world. My hope and my eternal abode is in the heavens with Christ my Savior.

You are teaching new age mysticism not biblical truth. The primitive early church was well acquainted with suffering and persecution. The modern church shuns suffering and prefers compromise to persecution.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

BenFTW

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Miriam was judged and received condemnation for her sin. There is condemnation or judgment now and for the lost future condemnation. Sin always has consequences even for the believer.

Are you willing to surrender your body to God to use as He deems appropriate? Even unto death? It is His to do with as He pleases according to scripture.

1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Php 1:21 For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain

My hope is not in this world and not of this world. My hope and my eternal abode is in the heavens with Christ my Savior.

You are teaching new age mysticism not biblical truth. The primitive early church was well acquainted with suffering and persecution. The modern church shuns suffering and prefers compromise to persecution.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Are you aware that the apostle Paul instead of staying in an area of persecution retreated to fight another day? One might think, "God can protect me, I will stay and preach" but the apostle Paul retreated to live to preach another day. So you say that people should withstand persecution, yet the apostle Paul intentionally avoided it at times.

Persecution is not equal, each person subjectively experiences persecution. For one it may be verbal, and another physical. The degree of persecution is different, but nonetheless persecution. I think most people would prefer their persecution to be light and not harsh. If a person experiences any roughness they can be comforted in that Christ too suffered such and they receive it for His sake (and shall be rewarded).

You are trying to equalize everyone's walk when each of us has a unique life to live. Just because another suffers does not mean that I too must. Just because someone experiences a certain type of persecution does not mean I must experience it as well.

They have their own walk, and their own choices that led them into the experience they are having (especially dictated by mindset and faith). You may claim persecution, suffering, and anguish if you so desire, but do not wish it upon your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. May they have joy, peace, prosperity, be in good health, and may their soul prosper. This is what you should desire for them.
 

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Are you aware that the apostle Paul instead of staying in an area of persecution retreated to fight another day? One might think, "God can protect me, I will stay and preach" but the apostle Paul retreated to live to preach another day. So you say that people should withstand persecution, yet the apostle Paul intentionally avoided it at times.

Persecution is not equal, each person subjectively experiences persecution. For one it may be verbal, and another physical. The degree of persecution is different, but nonetheless persecution. I think most people would prefer their persecution to be light and not harsh. If a person experiences any roughness they can be comforted in that Christ too suffered such and they receive it for His sake (and shall be rewarded).

You are trying to equalize everyone's walk when each of us has a unique life to live. Just because another suffers does not mean that I too must. Just because someone experiences a certain type of persecution does not mean I must experience it as well.

They have their own walk, and their own choices that led them into the experience they are having (especially dictated by mindset and faith). You may claim persecution, suffering, and anguish if you so desire, but do not wish it upon your fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. May they have joy, peace, prosperity, be in good health, and may their soul prosper. This is what you should desire for them.
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Believers in third world countries are being killed all the day long for the name of Christ. How much are you willing to suffer for Christ? Jesus did not shrink from His suffering on the cross. Nothing makes for fervent prayer like suffering even the suffering of souls close to us.

Paul often had to be dragged to safety by others because he was determined to preach Christ at any cost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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Okay so Miriam received sickness to show she needed to listen to Moses. They didn't have Christ. We are in a better covenant. And she didn't die of it. The lepers came to Jesus, with their society shunning them thinking it was something they or their family before them did, but these lepers knew Jesus could restore them, so they said if you be willing, and He said I am willing be cleansed. We know God is able, but where the enemy throws seeds of doubt is He willing? He is willing.

You said it's not in Scripture that we are to healed? B
ut it is. Is ANY sick? Let them receive the prayer of faith and they SHALL be restored. No mention of gifts of healing here, just a simple prayer of faith from one who is mature in Christ.

Yes we will die, but we don't need to die from sickness. Plenty of people die in their sleep peacefully. This idea that God is glorified by sickness or even death shows us we don't understand the purpose of Him who is called Life.

Death is the last ENEMY to go.
And WE are called to destroy the works of the devil.
And in THIS our Father is glorified.
He is the Spirit of Liberty.
Never said that "healing is not in scriptures" because that would be a lie.

What I have said is that all sickness may not be an attack from Satan, nor does God heal all physical illness (nor does He promises too).

Sometimes death of these bodies is God's way of healing, because then the person goes to be with Him.

If it's God's will for people to die peacefully in their sleep, then I say praise God.

However, if it's God's will that you die painfully persecuted by your enemies, can you still praise God despite your physical pain?
 

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Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Believers in third world countries are being killed all the day long for the name of Christ. How much are you willing to suffer for Christ? Jesus did not shrink from His suffering on the cross. Nothing makes for fervent prayer like suffering even the suffering of souls close to us.

Paul often had to be dragged to safety by others because he was determined to preach Christ at any cost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I think the question is wrong. How much are you willing to live for Christ? This question is more in line and of greater importance, with your relationship and God. Service to God is a blessing, even those that received persecution unto death died with a smile knowing what laid ahead. I don't need to compare my walk with the walk of others, but by the voice of God. You ask how much is a person willing to suffer for Christ, but that question ignores that God rewards those that diligently seek Him.

It is not about suffering but service. Not all service equates to suffering, and I choose to serve in a way that does not suffer. It does not diminish the service, it is simply the arm doing its job as opposed to the foot. Each part, doing as it should. The foot may be in the mud and the hand in the fresh air, but each part is essential.

You see, I see it as a trap. If a person asks if one is willing to suffer for Christ this person, if answered yes, would then be inviting suffering into their life. This is not my desire, as I know one can serve Christ and live peacefully. I invite that which is pure, holy, and good and focus on it. I don't think God wants us as sadists, seeking pain when Christ died so that we may have life. He just wants us willing to listen to Him, for His will in our lives.

I understand Christians do suffer, and yet in death they meet Jesus. Death is then a joy and not a tragedy for the believer, for their death is into the hands of Christ. A warm embrace. So, a Christian should have a mindset of service, of obedience, but one should not seek suffering as a sadist, but rather listen keenly to the Lord's voice. You, again, ask a question of suffering, but I think the more valid question is one of service to the lordship of God. You assume such obedience and service leads to suffering, but it does not for everyone. That is your false assumption, and your question is somewhat prideful.
 
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Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

Believers in third world countries are being killed all the day long for the name of Christ. How much are you willing to suffer for Christ? Jesus did not shrink from His suffering on the cross. Nothing makes for fervent prayer like suffering even the suffering of souls close to us.

Paul often had to be dragged to safety by others because he was determined to preach Christ at any cost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
He did pray for the cup to pass three times. Until the last time he ended that God's will to be done in the garden before Judas betrayal with a kiss.
 

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I was diagnosed with heart disease and told I needed bypass surgery 4.5 years ago. I started going to a charismatic/Kenneth E Hagin-like church a few months after my diagnosis. They believe strongly in laying hands on people and healing.

I went up for healing...believed that I received it...testified to being healed for years...got into leadership...and even left my job to be on staff. A few months ago I started having chest pains, after a series of doctor visits and another angiogram my heart has gotten worse.

I'm fighting to believe all that I've learned...but I'm definitely doubting divine healing...what I REALLY don't like...is it's causing me to doubt almost everything I hear or read. I find myself rolling my eyes at testimonies or people encouraging others with scripture or sayings. Any time I hear a charismatic preacher on tv or YouTube I question what they say. I feel like I'm losing my faith in God. He has to be real.

I really need someone who knows their charismatic apologetics. Please don't waste my time or yours if all you have to chime in with is a bible verse with a short saying attached to it like "John 10:10 the enemy is just trying to kill you"

I need something way solid and explained in detail. Please. Thank you so much!
Hey brother I am so sorry that you're facing such a life and death type trial like this. I can't imagine how it must feel. The only thing that I as a human can tell you to give you hope is that God is very real, and Jesus is the only way to reconciliation with Him. He is the only hope we have in this world, but I have found it is not a blind hope. He pulled me in through a very hard ordeal too. It wasn't life and death like this, but all I wanted was death. I wanted more than anything to just die. It was a motorcycle wreak the took all function in my right (and dominate) arm. I had a great support system, I never missed a paycheck when I was out of work, I could even still do my job after I came back, not to mention I could come back. I was blessed beyond belief, yet only wanted to die. I don't understand exactly what you are feeling now, but I can imagine you're thinking about things in a whole new light.

What if God doesn't heal you? Will that mean He's not real, or doesn't love you as much as the one He does heal? What I've found since He truly saved me, and I walked around about 5 years saying and thinking I was a Christian, and thought I knew what that even meant. I didn't, and I wasn't. I found that since I've know God that He doesn't give us everything we think we want, He is just everything we need period.

I grew up thinking very highly of myself and was blessed with a lot, until some of it was taken away and then I couldn't handle it and broke. I never knew God at all until I knew that I could not fix what was broken myself, and nothing out in the world could fix it either. I was right were you are, I wasn't even sure if I believed there was a God anymore, if I ever truly had anyway. I hit my knees and just cried out "I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, world you win, I lose, and I QUIT." That was it, the next day around lunch I realized I hadn't thought about killing myself all day. I woke up new, I realized I had been reborn and all this "bible stuff" was real and walked around with my mouth agape for a week at least. Brother He is real, but we can't just base our belief in Him on if he fixes us or not on this earth.

Please go right to Him and ask Him to reveal Himself to you and ask Him "Why you". He can use the weak to confound the strong, and give you the peace in this world NOTHING else can, including perfect health. We love you brother and I will pray for you too, just please don't push Him aside just yet.
 

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Never said that "healing is not in scriptures" because that would be a lie.

What I have said is that all sickness may not be an attack from Satan, nor does God heal all physical illness (nor does He promises too).

Sometimes death of these bodies is God's way of healing, because then the person goes to be with Him.

If it's God's will for people to die peacefully in their sleep, then I say praise God.

However, if it's God's will that you die painfully persecuted by your enemies, can you still praise God despite your physical pain?
Did Christ not bare our sicknesses and diseases? Our pains? VVhy then do you say God does not heal all physical illness when His word plainly states He has (two thousand years ago)? God has made salvation available to all that would believe, is it not the same with healing that Christ purchased through His flesh? Salvation is available, healing is available. They are available for those that would believe and have faith.
 
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Did Christ not bare our sicknesses and diseases? Our pains? VVhy then do you say God does not heal all physical illness when His word plainly states He has (two thousand years ago)? God has made salvation available to all that would believe, is it not the same with healing that Christ purchased through His flesh? Salvation is available, healing is available. They are available for those that would believe and have faith.
He died for our SINS and to give us ETERNAL LIFE in RESURRECTED bodies....NOT ETERNAL health in these temporal shells that will die, be buried and turn to dust.

He heals our broken hearts. He restores our relationship with our Heavenly Father. He died on the cross for us. He asks us to pick up our cross and follow Him. He asks us not to love this world the the things of this world but to seek a Heavenly kingdom.

No flesh is not evil. We don't promote a Gnostic doctrine. We promote an ETERNAL perspective...look to life after death....look to eternity with God for hope.

Recognize that these bodies are temples unto God and should be cared for and used for His glory, but will eventually die and turn to dust. However, YOU beloved child of God will never die but spend eternity with Christ.

Salvation is not found in physical healing or miracles that can be faked or copied by the enemy. It is found in the redeeming blood of Christ that washes sinners of their sins. It is found in the Holy Spirit, born again experience that changes hearts and minds to be right again with God. It is found in the HOPE of the life to come in ressurected bodies.
 

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VVhy then do you say God does not heal all physical illness
Because it's obvious that He doesn't. This can be known through simple observation.

when His word plainly states He has (two thousand years ago)?
It could also be that your understanding of the matter is wrong.
 

Cee

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Persecution is from enemies for the sake of the gospel. I never said we wouldn't face this. I said in fact we would. And loving people in the midst of this preaches the love of God that makes no sense to natural mind.

Sickness is NOT persecution. And there is NO SCRIPTURE that says God is glorified by it. There IS Scripture that said SATAN causes sickness and when JESUS healed sickness He SAID they were being LOOSED from captivity of SATAN. And THERE IS Scripture that says God is GLORIFIED by people being HEALED.

It is GNOSTIC if you are saying the PHYSICAL doesn't matter in God's ETERNAL perspective. Because it DOES. Jesus showed us this with His very life. He HEALED people. And He told us to do the same. And Scripture says if any be sick, let them be prayed over and they WILL be restored. It DOESN'T say to go find a doctor. If you want to look purely at what Scriptures says we can do that. Paul also attributes sickness and death to people not discerning the BODY of Christ properly. It's actually the OPPOSITE of God being glorified.

If we look at this from a PURE Scripture stand point, much of what is being said against healing is completely unscriptural. And the few examples given were all healed of their temporary sickness. So once again if people aren't being healed they aren't having a Job or a Miriam experience.

This idea that God gives us sickness so He can be glorified is so completely wrong. It is a huge reason why people become atheists. But glory to God it's completely untrue. God never desired us to even die. That's why it's the last enemy to go. God is life. He uses all things for good, but that's not what His Will is. As far as Jesus praying "let Your Will be done" He knew God's will was for Him to die. Because through His death all things were made new. Remember He died for the JOY set before Him.

And if we take this even further, the word Sozo used or "salvation" is actually the same word for saved, healed, and delivered. This is spirit, body, and soul. We are 3 parts. And ALL are to be kept blameless. But we've lost this reality because people believe God died so we would have eternal life only. And that it comes after we die. While this is true, there is so much more to the story when you look at Scripture you see this is not the only case.

He also died so we could be ONE with Him. And be formed in His image. And HE is eternal life. There is no eternal life apart from Him. His name actually means SELF-EXISTENT one. If God was glorified by sickness why did Jesus come and set people FREE of Satan everytime they asked Him? Do you think Jesus worked contrary to the Will of God? And if sickness is the Will of God then doctors would be working contrary to His Will. And so would medicine, but no one thinks that. But soon as you bring "healing" into the picture people suddenly start getting all religious. Oh don't ask God for healing, that's selfish. Well so is going to the doctor then. So the doctor is allowed to get glory, but God's healing power is not? Then why did Jesus say for us to heal the sick? Why did He say WHOSOEVER believes in Him will do the things He did?

And then the argument is, well why don't people do it then? If YOU who are so learned of Scripture don't believe God heals today, why do you assume other people will do as He commanded? And if you don't do what He commands, why would you see healing? If you don't have faith for what He will do, why do you think He would be pleased?

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Tired of the strawmen and misrepresentation. Have fun with your bonfire.

I am out of this conversation.

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Oh don't ask God for healing, that's selfish."

No one has ever said the above statement.

Pray for healing, pray for salvation. Pray for God to reveal His will for your life and follow His Holy Spirit.
 

Cee

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When you see sickness from the enemy. And life from God. You will pray for it according to God's will.

There is a theological lens over the church called the blueprint. It's basically everything happening is what God wants to happen, but Scripture doesn't teach this. It shows Jesus came and did WARFARE against the devil. He booted out devils. He healed people of sickness. He TRICKED the enemy to crucify Him. And now WE are continuing in the same works He did. Which is using HIS AUTHORITY to destroy the works of the devil. In order to see this you have to see why Holy Spirit came. And that Holy Spirit coming is why Jesus LEFT. It is to our advantage that Jesus left, so that Holy Spirit could COME. Yet, how many of you are actually taking advantage of your advantage in this world? He is the advantage that God has given to His children. And what does Holy Spirit do?

1. He convicts the world of sin (unbelief in Christ)
2. He convicts us of righteousness (position in our Father)
3. He judges the enemy and his works.

John 16:7Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
 

Cee

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Actually someone did. I didn't say you did though. But the idea that I'm not going to ask God for healing because the "spiritual matters so much more" is gnostic. We are commanded to ask for healing. And I am simply agreeing with Scripture. Not trying to argue or misrepresent sorry if that's how I came across. Obviously there is many different POV in this thread, some believe in healing, but not that God desires all to be healed. Others believe we shouldn't ask for healing at all. I am addressing all these POV in one thread. But I'm also not trying to put words in anyone's mouth. I am simply replying to all the different thoughts in this thread.

C.

Tired of the strawmen and misrepresentation. Have fun with your bonfire.

I am out of this conversation.

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Oh don't ask God for healing, that's selfish."

No one has ever said the above statement.

Pray for healing, pray for salvation. Pray for God to reveal His will for your life and follow His Holy Spirit.
 

Cee

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I actually agree with everything you wrote here.

He heals broken hearts and broken bodies. I've seen Him do both. My stance on healing is multi-fold, but one of the biggest reasons is because of this Scripture here:

Mark 2:9Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’? 10But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— 11“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.” 12And he rose and immediately picked up his bed and went out before them all, so that they were all amazed and glorified God, saying, “We never saw anything like this!”

If the enemy is going to try to trick people with fake miracles etc, all the more reason for the children of God to show them the genuine power of the Spirit of God. But that requires believing in His healing power ourselves first.


He died for our SINS and to give us ETERNAL LIFE in RESURRECTED bodies....NOT ETERNAL health in these temporal shells that will die, be buried and turn to dust.

He heals our broken hearts. He restores our relationship with our Heavenly Father. He died on the cross for us. He asks us to pick up our cross and follow Him. He asks us not to love this world the the things of this world but to seek a Heavenly kingdom.

No flesh is not evil. We don't promote a Gnostic doctrine. We promote an ETERNAL perspective...look to life after death....look to eternity with God for hope.

Recognize that these bodies are temples unto God and should be cared for and used for His glory, but will eventually die and turn to dust. However, YOU beloved child of God will never die but spend eternity with Christ.

Salvation is not found in physical healing or miracles that can be faked or copied by the enemy. It is found in the redeeming blood of Christ that washes sinners of their sins. It is found in the Holy Spirit, born again experience that changes hearts and minds to be right again with God. It is found in the HOPE of the life to come in ressurected bodies.
 
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