Muslim Religion

[Bowman]

I looked up the chapter, its pretty short, doesnt say much.

108:1 "Indeed, we have granted you [O Muhammad] al-kawthar"

108:2 "So pray to your lord and sacrifice [to him alone]"

108:3 "Indeed, your enemy is the one cut off"

Among numerous other things, sura 108 undeniably confirms to us these key points:

• Only Jesus is the giver of eternal life
• Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb
• Jesus is worshiped as God

Summary:


108.1 Truly we gave you the River in Paradise. (Jesus provides the Water of Life in Heaven)

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice. (Jesus, as the sacrificial Lamb, is worshiped)

108.3 Truly your hater and enemy, he,the serpent. (Satan, the enemy to the followers of Jesus Christ)

I do know the quran says this though-

5:75 "Christ the son of mary was no more than a messenger; many were the messengers who passed away before him"

'Was no more than' simply does not appear in the Arabic of this passage....nor is that rendering even a possibility...

Here is the Arabic term behind the English rendering...

إلا= “illa”

“illa” definition:

Regarded as a simple word. If not; unless; except; some; otherwise; less; but; and; also.This word is used to signify the sense of exception.This exception is of two kinds: 1) Exception in which the thing excepted belongs to the same class or species to which the things from which an exception is sought to be made, belongs.2) Exception in which the excepted thing belongs to a different class or species. It commonly governs the accusative.It also means not even.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 76 - 78
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 27


Thus....we have the authors of the Koran fully acknowledging that Jesus is in a class all by Himself.

We must be diligent not to be brought-down to Islam's level of ignorance...

 

[WordMaster]

when the Lord Returns, those that were in error will find out the Hard way. They can either Heed warnings, or spurn them and regret it later. either way, it's their choice, those that are called according to his purpose know his voice, Jesus said:

He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my father, and I will love him and will manifest myself to him.

so because the Lord Loves me and I keep his commands the Lord manifests, and makes himself known to me, so I can testify and confirm through miracles, and Obedience that Jesus is the Son of the Living God who is also the Only way we can be saved. The bible is true and consistent, and the Quran is not true, and contradicts itself. with that being said, I hope that everyone, repents and calls on the name of Jesus.
Galatians 1:8 says,

But though we or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

there is one true Gospel, God is merciful, and doesn't want any to perish, he has called his saints to preach the Gospel of His Son Jesus Christ to those that would be willing to hear. God made the Ear and the Eyes, so when you seek him believing the truth and Seek the Lord Jesus with Pure motives and true intentions. and turn from falseness, God is powerful, and can make himself known, and I'm telling you now, that Jesus is the only name by which we can be saved, and I hope you start calling on it. If you read this post and spurn it, you might remember this post one day and regret not listening. so I hope you meditate on the Bible, and the Words in it, listen to what Jesus says, and learn to speak the truth, not personal opinions. because what I know is not an Opinion. it's what God himself has Taught me.

 

[JosephsDreams]

How many of these Christians were being persecuted up until the day traitor Bush invaded the ME?

How many tens of thousands have been killed because of his invasion?

Why is it that you or other deluded right wing pundits on this forum fail to call his actions imperialistic terrorism?

Where is your sympathy for the Muslim victims of Western imperialism and terrorism?



The problem is that you are much too influenced by the right wing media such as the liars in the Fox network which is owned by the world's biggest pornographer Rupert Murdoch [I would have posted links but for its offensive content].


Foxhole? Why do you need one when the Bible tells us that a nation that has faith in God has no need of a standing army [Psalm 81:13-15; Ps 27; Deut 28:7; Isaiah 41:12; I Sam 8:20; Luke 1:69-75]? Don't you take God at his word that combat is NOT necessary in order to win a conflict? Where is your faith??

I am not right wing. That is a label you are (wrongly) describing me with. You don't seem to be much of a creative thinker. Labels, and neat little boxes, shoehorning people into what your narrow paradigm seems to be compelled to move in.
In fact I am a liberal. And a conservative. And a God fearing man. And middle of the road on some issues. And a democrat, and a republican, and a socialist, and a free market proponent.
And even more, and less, of these, and still others.
But in your world view, I guess you look at me as just a simple, algae skimming, hard nosed and cruel radical (you love that word, it excuses your conscience) right winger.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Emphasis on killing people overseas.

As I have told these deluded right wingers who are so filled with hate for Muslims and attempt to justify genocide against them, none of these persecutions of Christians in the ME would have happened had it not been for their hero Bush's invasion. True, Muslims such as Kurds and Druze were being persecuted. True, Shiia and Sunnis and other minority denominations have had severe conflicts. But none of that was any of our business and absolutely none of it was caused by the USA. The present and unfortunate persecution of Christians occurred under terrorist Bush.

You want justice in the ME? Then surrender terrorist Bush to an international tribunal for persecution for his war crimes. Professor Ben Ferencz (the world's foremost authority on Nazi style war crimes tribunals) said Bush should have been prosecuted for his crimes in the ME. If it is justice that these deluded pundits want, then this is what they should be calling for.

These pundits on this forum may claim to be Christian. But their hypocrisy, double standards, and Pharisaism clearly debunk any such myths that they believe in because Jesus is PRINCE OF PEACE, not a promoter of war and hate.

If you surrender him on that charge, you do realize that you'll have to surrender many, if not most, Arab leaders for the same charge. And also many leaders of African nations, and European countries. Does that seem like something that is a equitable way to mete justice to you? If no, tell me why.

 

[Utah]

They are brain washed,especially the women. They can't even get along with each other how can they be expected to get along with the rest of the world? The religion is against God,thats all that needs to be said. They are in bondage to a demonic religion and need to be delivered.

Very well said, Sister. Its so said that your words are concrete truth.

 

[Utah]

Islam is hated by the Libtards because it does not allow homosexuality, so beloved of the lefties, the Zionists, and the deeply faith compromised. I wouldn't want to risk my butthole in your foxhole to be honest.

Liberals may hate islam but it doesn't compare to their hatred of Christianity or conservatism. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and so it is with liberals and islam, thus why they're in bed together.

 

[Sirk]

I am not right wing. That is a label you are (wrongly) describing me with. You don't seem to be much of a creative thinker. Labels, and neat little boxes, shoehorning people into what your narrow paradigm seems to be compelled to move in.
In fact I am a liberal. And a conservative. And a God fearing man. And middle of the road on some issues. And a democrat, and a republican, and a socialist, and a free market proponent.
And even more, and less, of these, and still others.
But in your world view, I guess you look at me as just a simple, algae skimming, hard nosed and cruel radical (you love that word, it excuses your conscience) right winger.

The irony is thick with this one isn't it? It usually is with people who hold to this ideology.

 

[Utah]

I think it is impossible to talk sense with Americans. Their previous President, a born-again Christian, launched a crusade against Islam. He then wiped out several million innocent Arabs, man woman and child, in the name of Jesus. Nice.

You're so full of nonsense it goes beyond comparison with any other mule on CC. Try again.

 

[kaylagrl]

Very well said, Sister. Its so said that your words are concrete truth.

People here can argue all day long. The facts are facts, and they are solid. Islam is at war with Christianity,it has been for years. The religion is satanic,it is anti-Christ. What it has in common with Christianity is there because Muhammad took things from various religious beliefs to make up Islam, he plagiarized the Bible,but put his own twist on it. The Bible says Jesus is the only way,period. Jesus is not subservient to Muhammad. He is the ONLY way. Anything that teaches different is a doctrine of demons. Period,end of sentence.

 

[kaylagrl]

Islam is hated by the Libtards because it does not allow homosexuality, so beloved of the lefties, the Zionists, and the deeply faith compromised. I wouldn't want to risk my butthole in your foxhole to be honest.

Do you believe Israel has the right to exist?

 

[Utah]

He didn't do it the name of Jesus. I never once heard him say that or imply it. As far as Americas behavior, I am not going down the path that most Americans have transgressed, again, thanks in large part to our liberal media. It is good to self examine, good to be honest and strive not to make the same mistakes. But I am tired of people from other countries telling us how bad we are. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Or throwing the first stone.
Your country, in fact all or most of the countries of the world could have, probably would have, did worse then us if you had our power. And in fact I don't know of any that would have done better.
The way I look at it, Americans can criticize each other, just like a family can, but like family, when people from the outside start coming on and telling us how bad our family is, or a particular family member may be, we close ranks and tell you to take care of your own family, or country, before telling us about ours. Especially when you don't even have your facts straight. So Bush started the war in the name if Jesus, huh? We have killed half the world??
When you clean up your own mess, then get back to me.
Or at least get the facts right so we can have a transparent dialog.

Such a great post it needed to be shared once again.

 

[Utah]

Very well said, Sister. Its so said that your words are concrete truth.

Supposed to say, its so sad that your words are concrete truth.

 

[CS1]

I think it is impossible to talk sense with Americans. Their previous President, a born-again Christian, launched a crusade against Islam. He then wiped out several million innocent Arabs, man woman and child, in the name of Jesus. Nice.

The present Christian incumbent has a transgender fixation, including trannie loos, and a trannie partner.

But let's be clear here. Christian America does not have a problem.

Killing half the world for no apparent reason and forcing the remaining half into gay servitude is the Lord's will, according to them.

( rudeness )

you are entitled to your opinion as we at CC have many wonderful Brothers and Sister around the world on our site. Please do not insult all in the geographical location because no one can know all but God thank you

 

[Utah]

Such a great post it needed to be shared once again.

Sirk, we need to be able to quote avatars because I'd put your avatar on every post.

 

[Utah]

you are entitled to your opinion as we at CC have many wonderful Brothers and Sister around the world on our site. Please do not insult all in the geographical location because no one can know all but God thank you

Utah, make note to self -- learn to speak eloquently like CS1.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Funny because I have been repeatedly called an "America hater" and anti-Christian. Therefore, I thank you for validating my posts.

I never once called you an "American hater", but yes I have accused you of being against Christ, and for multiple reasons. You use arguments from sources that are not friends with the word of God, and you continually make the claim that not only do Muslims believe in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, but you are actively working to convince those here that it would somehow be against His will for us to call out a false prophet using the word of God. That He would somehow support your belief of letting Muslims spread their teachings to all people, including His followers.

So yes, I do not believe you act on His will, but on your own earthly "progressive" beliefs that standing for whats right and debating with those who mislead others are acts of "hate", and that we should just let people do what they want without warning them of the consequences. Jesus said to share the Gospel on every corner of the earth, He did not command us to not bother people and let them do whatever. You do not speak from the word of God, but from the word of the Godless world.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

How many of these Christians were being persecuted up until the day traitor Bush invaded the ME?

How many tens of thousands have been killed because of his invasion?

Why is it that you or other deluded right wing pundits on this forum fail to call his actions imperialistic terrorism?

Where is your sympathy for the Muslim victims of Western imperialism and terrorism?



The problem is that you are much too influenced by the right wing media such as the liars in the Fox network which is owned by the world's biggest pornographer Rupert Murdoch [I would have posted links but for its offensive content].


Foxhole? Why do you need one when the Bible tells us that a nation that has faith in God has no need of a standing army [Psalm 81:13-15; Ps 27; Deut 28:7; Isaiah 41:12; I Sam 8:20; Luke 1:69-75]? Don't you take God at his word that combat is NOT necessary in order to win a conflict? Where is your faith??

Why do you make the comparison of world leaders making war and advancing their own nations with a people who follow the commands of their god to wage war? In what way are these equal, and what does the POTUS have to do with the word of God? Show me where Jesus Christ commanded us to make war with the unbeliever, and Ill actually listen to what you have to say.

This has nothing to do with Islam and its commands to make war. And it by no means proves that Christians are commiting the same acts as Islamic terrorists.

 

[Utah]

Why do you make the comparison of world leaders making war and advancing their own nations with a people who follow the commands of their god to wage war? In what way are these equal, and what does the POTUS have to do with the word of God? Show me where Jesus Christ commanded us to make war with the unbeliever, and Ill actually listen to what you have to say.

This has nothing to do with Islam and its commands to make war. And it by no means proves that Christians are commiting the same acts as Islamic terrorists.

Because he's a muslim.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Emphasis on killing people overseas.

As I have told these deluded right wingers who are so filled with hate for Muslims and attempt to justify genocide against them, none of these persecutions of Christians in the ME would have happened had it not been for their hero Bush's invasion. True, Muslims such as Kurds and Druze were being persecuted. True, Shiia and Sunnis and other minority denominations have had severe conflicts. But none of that was any of our business and absolutely none of it was caused by the USA. The present and unfortunate persecution of Christians occurred under terrorist Bush.

You want justice in the ME? Then surrender terrorist Bush to an international tribunal for persecution for his war crimes. Professor Ben Ferencz (the world's foremost authority on Nazi style war crimes tribunals) said Bush should have been prosecuted for his crimes in the ME. If it is justice that these deluded pundits want, then this is what they should be calling for.

These pundits on this forum may claim to be Christian. But their hypocrisy, double standards, and Pharisaism clearly debunk any such myths that they believe in because Jesus is PRINCE OF PEACE, not a promoter of war and hate.

More talk about politics, which have absolutely nothing to do with Islam, its commands of violence and its outright denial of our Lord Jesus Christ. Just more talk about how you hate "right wing Christians".

I am not even a "right wing" person, I do not care about politics, I even voted for Obama twice. But you just assume that anyone who is against Islam is just a brain washed fool who spends their days watching Fox News.

It only affirms my beliefs that you know nothing about Islam, and are only repeting the things you hear from Obama and the progessive left media. You speak nothing but anti Bush rhetoric on this thread. And Im not against you here because you dont like Bush btw. I am because you make claims that Islam stands on the word of our Lord Jesus Christ (I emphasis our Lord here because Islam tells you he was only a prophet of allah) and you accuse anyone who points out the evils in this religion of somehow being against Christ, as if Christ would want us to support Islam and comfort those who follow Muhammad.

When Christ started preaching, He said "repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand". He did not comfort people in what they were doing, He did not tell us that whatever you do is okay as long as you arent hurting anybody. He warned us to repent to God before it was too late. His will was not to have a world where no one debated, but to tell us to guide others to Him before the day of judgement.
I do not believe you know the real Jesus Christ. Maybe if you spent less time on your progressive media sites, you could learn who He is and why you should speak out against false prophets.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Among numerous other things, sura 108 undeniably confirms to us these key points:

• Only Jesus is the giver of eternal life
• Jesus is the sacrificial Lamb
• Jesus is worshiped as God

Summary:


108.1 Truly we gave you the River in Paradise. (Jesus provides the Water of Life in Heaven)

108.2 So you pray to your Lord and Sacrifice. (Jesus, as the sacrificial Lamb, is worshiped)

108.3 Truly your hater and enemy, he,the serpent. (Satan, the enemy to the followers of Jesus Christ)







'Was no more than' simply does not appear in the Arabic of this passage....nor is that rendering even a possibility...

Here is the Arabic term behind the English rendering...

إلا= “illa”

“illa” definition:

Regarded as a simple word. If not; unless; except; some; otherwise; less; but; and; also.This word is used to signify the sense of exception.This exception is of two kinds: 1) Exception in which the thing excepted belongs to the same class or species to which the things from which an exception is sought to be made, belongs.2) Exception in which the excepted thing belongs to a different class or species. It commonly governs the accusative.It also means not even.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, pp. 76 - 78
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1[SUP]st[/SUP] edition, Abdul Mannan Omar p. 27


Thus....we have the authors of the Koran fully acknowledging that Jesus is in a class all by Himself.

We must be diligent not to be brought-down to Islam's level of ignorance...

Are you sure you have the right context to that verse in 108? When I read it, I did not read it as "your Lord and sacrifice", I read it as "pray to your lord, and sacrifice" as in pray to him and make sacrifices to him. Apparently the people who copied the quran on the site I used to check this verse agree, as they had [to him alone] at the end of the verse (I dunno if this is added or if it is written in the quran itself, I only find out about verses from those who speak about it and look them up myself online)

I have also found through some research quran 4:171- "Oh people of the scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary was but a messenger of allah and his word which he directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from him. So believe in allah and his messengers, and do not say "Three": desist- it is better for you. Indeed, allah is but one god. Exalted is he above having a son. To him belongs whatever is in heaven and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is allah as disposer of affairs"
This verse clearly denies Jesus the Son of God, and God in the flesh.

Also, there are the verses in the quran about the unforgivable sin in Islam, putting someone on equal level with allah. Verse 4:48 and verse 4:116 both tell us that putting anyone on level with allah is an unforgivable sin. I have spoken with many Muslims online, and they all have comfirmed this, shirk is the unforgivable sin, and putting Jesus Christ on equal level with God (the reason He was crucified, and the teaching of the Gospel) is shirk.

There is the verse in 4:153 that talks about the Israelites who worshiped the calf "after clear signs had been given to them", where the quran states "Even so we forgave them" (btw the fact that the quran often says "we" over "allah" or "he" always gives me chills for obvious reasons (who gave Muhammad the quran?)), but this is a contradiction, and not proof that Islam allows having one on equal level with allah. (the quran is known for contradicting itself). The quran still calls this "the unforgivable sin".
I do not believe that using the quran alone is the best way to reach out to a Muslim. I believe that we can show them how it contradicts itself, but they must first know the Gospel is about Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior, who called Himself the Son of Man, put Himself as equal with God, was crucified for blasphemy, and told us He would return to judge the world and be our King. They wont question the quran until then, because the quran tells us that allah has no son, it is unforgivable to say allah has any companions, and that Christ was only a messenger.

The quran has many verses about how this is "wrong" according to Islam.