Muslim Religion

[Tintin]

That's quite all right with me since your views are clearly motivated by hatred for Muslims. There is nothing in the Bible to justify Islamophobia or any other form of prejudice. If you must persist in your hate, then so be it.

Come on, man! What's your agenda? You say you're a Christian, but you're pushing this Muslim schtick like you're a Muslim trying to gain recruits. We don't hate Muslims, we hate Islam. And for good reason. Please talk to the 150 million Christians who are persecuted around the non-Western world for their faith, largely by a Muslim majority. And this is the real deal persecution - homes and churches burnt to the ground, kidnappings, torture, gang bashings, rape, and murder. You name any heinous act committed by mankind and Muslims have done it to these Christians.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Since you are not very open minded you will not likely believe the fact that I have just as many arguments on other web forums with Christophobic types who hate Jesus. This because they agree with philosopher Alan Watts when he pointed out that more people have been killed in Jesus's name than for any other reason in human history.


By contrast, the claim of 270 million killed by Islam is hog wash:

Fact-Checking Pamela Geller: '270 Million' Victims of Islam? - Little Green Footballs



This especially so in the out right lie that more Hindus were killed by Muslims when historically it is well established that Christian Queen Victoria killed far more people there in the modern era than all other foreign enemies combined.

Anyone can twist numbers. That is what your doing with linking an article that is based on presumptions. Just pounding your agenda, now with lies. It was bad enough before, when you made personal attacks on us, claiming we are close minded, phobic, etc. Now your stooping to lying about hard numbers. Your getting desperate?
Funny how you won't even answer my other questions.
In the ancient middle east, when a man was accused of something, and he did not reply, he was presumed guilty as charged.
So tell me, how many people have been killed "in the name of Jesus"?
Queen Victoria? Colonialism? Your comparing that to the tears of Jihad? How do you rationalize that??
Have you ever harbored any secret fantasies about converting to Islam? It sounds like your half way there already....

 

[JosephsDreams]

Come on, man! What's your agenda? You say you're a Christian, but you're pushing this Muslim schtick like you're a Muslim trying to gain recruits. We don't hate Muslims, we hate Islam. And for good reason. Please talk to the 150 million Christians who are persecuted around the non-Western world for their faith, largely by a Muslim majority. And this is the real deal persecution - homes and churches burnt to the ground, kidnappings, torture, gang bashings, rape, and murder. You name any heinous act committed by mankind and Muslims have done it to these Christians.

He is living in la la land. What he needs is to go on Youtube and watch interviews of middle eastern Christian families who have had their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, killed simply because they were Christian. Every single day Christians in the middle east are being martyred because of their faith. Peacenik is not the man I would want with me in a foxhole. He thinks we can love those who hate us into understanding. He seems like a man who is very much influenced by the liberal media, rather then by the wisdom of Jesus Christ. Sad and disturbing state for a fellow Christian.
I ask him to argue with facts, and he links me an article that denies them. Amazing.
Maybe he needs to go to the middle east for a few months. I am sure living the reality will quickly alter his ignorant views. Or maybe not...
I wonder what he will say about this? I have not seen even one post where the man has expressed any sympathy or solidarity with his Christian brothers and sister, his true family. This is a man who a soldier would term compromised.


[h=1]Shouldn’t we first help the Christian victims of Mideast genocide?[/h][FONT=&quot]By Phyllis Chesler
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Zoroastrian Kurds, known as Yazidis, were forced to flee in August 2014 after their town of Sinjar was massacred and taken over by ISIS.Photo: Reuters
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[FONT=&quot][/FONT]Before dawn Monday, four suicide bombers killed five and wounded at least a dozen in the Lebanese Christian town of al-Qaa. Later that night, as townspeople prepared to bury their dead, four more suicide bombers hit.
The attacks underscored just how endangered are Christians who live in today’s Muslim world. As the United States debates how many Mideast refugees to accept and who should get priority, the answer is staring us in the face: Those most in need of refuge are Christians and Yazidis who live among Muslims.
On June 19, a suicide bomber killed three people as he detonated himself at a memorial to massacred Christians in Qumishi, Syria. On June 9, a Pakistani Muslim mob badly beat a man merely because he was a Christian. On June 5, two people were killed when Islamists targeted a church with rockets in Syria; the same day, a Christian man was hacked to death at his shop by Islamists in Bangladesh. On June 2, in Nigeria, Muslim youths beheaded a Christian woman for allegedly insulting Mohammed.
And that’s just this month — a typical month, sadly, for the world’s Christians.
In May, similar Muslim attacks against Christians took place in Niger, Turkey, Syria, the Philippines, Uganda, Pakistan and Bangladesh. On March 27-28, a Taliban group murdered 69 Christians and wounded 30 more, mainly women and children, as they were celebrating Easter in a park in Lahore, Pakistan.
The list goes on.
Yet President Obama seems to value endangered Muslim lives more than the lives of endangered Christians and Yazidis.
In April, America built a temporary “surge” center in Amman, Jordan, to more rapidly process Muslim immigrants from Syria. The vetting process has been “fast tracked,” perhaps in order to meet Obama’s desired number of 10,000 Muslim Syrians to be admitted by September.
The Obama administration has called for an openhearted and massive acceptance of Muslim refugees from war zones. Democratic leaders insist that it would be wrong, morally, legally and politically, to stop Muslim immigration — but concede that it’s currently impossible to identify would-be jihadists among refugees or homegrown radicals among their descendants.
The United Nations has more modestly suggested that Western nations accept Muslim “women and children” first.
Obama has paid no attention to what has happened in Europe, namely the large number of sexual assaults of girls, women and homosexuals by Muslim men, as well as the staggering financial cost of hosting hostile, non-productive immigrants who may have no desire to assimilate to Western customs.
Here’s another suggestion.
If we want to accept refugees in flight from Arab and Muslim war zones, why not start with Christians who are being slaughtered by Muslims in Muslim-majority countries? Although they’re Arabs, Africans or Central Asians, the fact that they’re also Christians might make them more inclined to assimilate to Western ways — and, even if they assimilate imperfectly, they’re more likely to respond to Western freedoms in nonviolent ways.
Why has the pope offered symbolic asylum in the Vatican only to Muslims and not to fellow Christians?
Recently, according to my colleague Ashraf Rameleh, a Coptic Christian advocate, “Pope Francis, who is ‘building bridges to build peace’ around the world, has naturally reached out to embrace Sunni Muslims.” Rameleh notes that the pope has “grieved with the Orthodox of Egypt and offered his prayers over the spilled blood of Christians in Libya, recognizing the Coptic Christian martyrs.”
However, the pope has remained silent about the systematic destruction of the Eastern Christian Church. He hasn’t supported Egyptian President Abdel Fatta el-Sisi, who is trying to break the stranglehold that the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood still has on Egypt.
I have been told by the director of the Hatune Dogan Foundation, Hans Erling Jensen, that Christians stuck in refugee camps in Turkey have arrived penniless; that Muslims don’t look out for them but, instead, continue to persecute them. Most are starving. Many don’t have money to buy food or to pay traffickers to smuggle them out.
Why not bring Christians and Yazidis from the Muslim world here first? Why not bring Muslim dissidents, ex-Muslims, and Muslim homosexuals here second?
Finally, why not bring Muslim girls and women who are already in flight from honor-based violence, including from honor killing here, next — before we extend visas, green cards and asylum to Muslim boys and men?
Phyllis Chesler is emerita professor of psychology and women’s studies at the College of Staten Island and a fellow at the Middle East Forum.

 

[Sirk]

Come on, man! What's your agenda? You say you're a Christian, but you're pushing this Muslim schtick like you're a Muslim trying to gain recruits. We don't hate Muslims, we hate Islam. And for good reason. Please talk to the 150 million Christians who are persecuted around the non-Western world for their faith, largely by a Muslim majority. And this is the real deal persecution - homes and churches burnt to the ground, kidnappings, torture, gang bashings, rape, and murder. You name any heinous act committed by mankind and Muslims have done it to these Christians.

When you get your news from salon and media matters it's really not surprising.

 

[PlainWord]

ISLAM = MYSTERY BABYLON THE GREAT

 

[kaylagrl]

Jesus Christ is Lord of all and Savior of those who have faith in Him. A well educated man need not waste his time reading anything that does not acknowledge Jesus Christ's full divinity, aka, the Quran. And since I'm a Black belt in Tae Kwon Do, I don't pick fights, I just win them.

Wow brother,remind me not to disagree with you!

 

[Utah]

That's quite all right with me since your views are clearly motivated by hatred for Muslims. There is nothing in the Bible to justify Islamophobia or any other form of prejudice. If you must persist in your hate, then so be it.

So says the anti-Christian flower child.

 

[Utah]

Wow brother,remind me not to disagree with you!

Black belt training cannot compete with a righteously angry woman. Lol.

 

[kaylagrl]

Black belt training cannot compete with a righteously angry woman. Lol.

Hahahaha That reminds me of my husband before we got married. I was looking at iron pans and he took it out of my hand and said "only Teflon pans in our house" lol lol He wasn't takin any chances.

 

[kaylagrl]

My point again They are taught.

They are brain washed,especially the women. They can't even get along with each other how can they be expected to get along with the rest of the world? The religion is against God,thats all that needs to be said. They are in bondage to a demonic religion and need to be delivered.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

That's quite all right with me since your views are clearly motivated by hatred for Muslims. There is nothing in the Bible to justify Islamophobia or any other form of prejudice. If you must persist in your hate, then so be it.

Yes, of course they are. They are absolutely not based on the fact that Islam denies Jesus Christ, and calls for the murder of others. Its all just based on my hatred of Muslims.

And my stance against homosexuality isnt based on Gods word, but my extreme hatred of gays.

And my stance against abortion of course has nothing to do with being against the murder of an unborn life, but just my crazed need to force my will on all women.

You do not have a good argument here.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

Though, this is the EXACT kinda argument you get from the "progressive" crowd : p

When they run out of arguments, they go to insulting you, calling you a "bigot" and claiming they are superior to you.

When someone stoops to insulting you, you can be sure they have run out of arguments : p

 

[ZEEK]

Islam is hated by the Libtards because it does not allow homosexuality, so beloved of the lefties, the Zionists, and the deeply faith compromised. I wouldn't want to risk my butthole in your foxhole to be honest.

 

[ZEEK]

I think it is impossible to talk sense with Americans. Their previous President, a born-again Christian, launched a crusade against Islam. He then wiped out several million innocent Arabs, man woman and child, in the name of Jesus. Nice.

The present Christian incumbent has a transgender fixation, including trannie loos, and a trannie partner.

But let's be clear here. Christian America does not have a problem.

Killing half the world for no apparent reason and forcing the remaining half into gay servitude is the Lord's will, according to them.

( rudeness )

 

[JosephsDreams]

I think it is impossible to talk sense with Americans. Their previous President, a born-again Christian, launched a crusade against Islam. He then wiped out several million innocent Arabs, man woman and child, in the name of Jesus. Nice.

The present Christian incumbent has a transgender fixation, including trannie loos, and a trannie partner.

But let's be clear here. Christian America does not have a problem.

Killing half the world for no apparent reason and forcing the remaining half into gay servitude is the Lord's will, according to them.

You lot are going to hell in a handbasket. Sorry, but I gots to tell you that.

He didn't do it the name of Jesus. I never once heard him say that or imply it. As far as Americas behavior, I am not going down the path that most Americans have transgressed, again, thanks in large part to our liberal media. It is good to self examine, good to be honest and strive not to make the same mistakes. But I am tired of people from other countries telling us how bad we are. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Or throwing the first stone.
Your country, in fact all or most of the countries of the world could have, probably would have, did worse then us if you had our power. And in fact I don't know of any that would have done better.
The way I look at it, Americans can criticize each other, just like a family can, but like family, when people from the outside start coming on and telling us how bad our family is, or a particular family member may be, we close ranks and tell you to take care of your own family, or country, before telling us about ours. Especially when you don't even have your facts straight. So Bush started the war in the name if Jesus, huh? We have killed half the world??
When you clean up your own mess, then get back to me.
Or at least get the facts right so we can have a transparent dialog.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I think it is impossible to talk sense with Americans. Their previous President, a born-again Christian, launched a crusade against Islam. He then wiped out several million innocent Arabs, man woman and child, in the name of Jesus. Nice.

The present Christian incumbent has a transgender fixation, including trannie loos, and a trannie partner.

But let's be clear here. Christian America does not have a problem.

Killing half the world for no apparent reason and forcing the remaining half into gay servitude is the Lord's will, according to them.

You lot are going to hell in a handbasket. Sorry, but I gots to tell you that.

The former president was the leader of a nation doing what it took to advance his own nation. Hitler also claimed to be a Christian, that does not make him one. I dont take anyone who makes the claim that the act of a US president is equal with those who follow the word of God seriously. They are acting in the interest of the nation they are in charge of, and not just "following Gods word".

Islamic terrorist, however, are regular people like you and me who have decided to act out on the verses in the quran that command them to "fight against people until they testify there is no god but allah, and Muhammad is his messenger" (sahih muslim 1:33) They are not doing what they believe is in the best interest of their nation, but what they believe their god commands of them.

And thats the difference, guys. One is a world leader doing what all world leaders do, the other is people following the will of their god.

So can we please stop this equating Christians with Islamic terrorist because every US president calls himself a Christian? (which they do for obvious reasons). The only way to make an actually good argument here is to show us a group of Christians making war with people and putting them to death, based on the commands in the Gospel.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I should say "verses in their doctrines" that make those commands, as the one I quoted was not from the quran. Not that that means these kind of verses are not in the quran, however : p

 

[peacenik]

He is living in la la land. What he needs is to go on Youtube and watch interviews of middle eastern Christian families who have had their brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, killed simply because they were Christian. Every single day Christians in the middle east are being martyred because of their faith. Peacenik is not the man I would want with me in a foxhole. He thinks we can love those who hate us into understanding. He seems like a man who is very much influenced by the liberal media, rather then by the wisdom of Jesus Christ. Sad and disturbing state for a fellow Christian.

How many of these Christians were being persecuted up until the day traitor Bush invaded the ME?

How many tens of thousands have been killed because of his invasion?

Why is it that you or other deluded right wing pundits on this forum fail to call his actions imperialistic terrorism?

Where is your sympathy for the Muslim victims of Western imperialism and terrorism?



The problem is that you are much too influenced by the right wing media such as the liars in the Fox network which is owned by the world's biggest pornographer Rupert Murdoch [I would have posted links but for its offensive content].


Foxhole? Why do you need one when the Bible tells us that a nation that has faith in God has no need of a standing army [Psalm 81:13-15; Ps 27; Deut 28:7; Isaiah 41:12; I Sam 8:20; Luke 1:69-75]? Don't you take God at his word that combat is NOT necessary in order to win a conflict? Where is your faith??

 

[peacenik]

I think it is impossible to talk sense with Americans. Their previous President, a born-again Christian, launched a crusade against Islam. He then wiped out several million innocent Arabs, man woman and child, in the name of Jesus. Nice.

The present Christian incumbent has a transgender fixation, including trannie loos, and a trannie partner.

But let's be clear here. Christian America does not have a problem.

Killing half the world for no apparent reason and forcing the remaining half into gay servitude is the Lord's will, according to them.

You lot are going to hell in a handbasket. Sorry, but I gots to tell you that.

Emphasis on killing people overseas.

As I have told these deluded right wingers who are so filled with hate for Muslims and attempt to justify genocide against them, none of these persecutions of Christians in the ME would have happened had it not been for their hero Bush's invasion. True, Muslims such as Kurds and Druze were being persecuted. True, Shiia and Sunnis and other minority denominations have had severe conflicts. But none of that was any of our business and absolutely none of it was caused by the USA. The present and unfortunate persecution of Christians occurred under terrorist Bush.

You want justice in the ME? Then surrender terrorist Bush to an international tribunal for persecution for his war crimes. Professor Ben Ferencz (the world's foremost authority on Nazi style war crimes tribunals) said Bush should have been prosecuted for his crimes in the ME. If it is justice that these deluded pundits want, then this is what they should be calling for.

These pundits on this forum may claim to be Christian. But their hypocrisy, double standards, and Pharisaism clearly debunk any such myths that they believe in because Jesus is PRINCE OF PEACE, not a promoter of war and hate.

 

[peacenik]

Though, this is the EXACT kinda argument you get from the "progressive" crowd : p

When they run out of arguments, they go to insulting you, calling you a "bigot" and claiming they are superior to you.

When someone stoops to insulting you, you can be sure they have run out of arguments : p

Funny because I have been repeatedly called an "America hater" and anti-Christian. Therefore, I thank you for validating my posts.