You Are A New Creation!

[Grace777x70]

I grow weary of this banter

I must take myself off under yonder shade tree

Perhaps a joust to settle the matter?

A horse a horse my kingdom for a horse

if anyone can tell me the name of the author of the last line, I will give you an award for knowing how to google

I will rep you

King Richard by way of Shakespere?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I never thought you were so big to occupy the whole world.
You claimed today I have born false witness about you. It is strange how in a few posts I can do this

.

let see.

You think I believe a person can not walk in righteousness. False

You think I am a racist, and support racism, false

You think I would allow an addict to continue in her or his addiction until they died without showing them love and trying to help them False

and that is just today, and I know I missed a few..

You know what is sad peter.

I asked you every time to show where I or anyone else said that

And you never answered once.. Don't you see a major problem with this?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

For me that just says how hard hearted and twisted people easily get because they have made
people into enemies, and see antagonism where there is none. It was quiet for a whole week
without EG but he does not know when to stop. But then maybe that is the point, he is not
intended to until the lesson is truly learnt.

I agree. It was very peaceful. Now it's back to the same turmoil.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

yes. disembodied voices can be so troublesome. even worse is when I am in the kitchen or upstairs and my husband starts talking to me and goes on and on and I'm like...I can't hear you...what? it happens all the time. he's so funny

Sounds like you are blessed! God does things like that for his children. Praise God.

 

[PeterJens]

It is an interesting truth.

If you speak the truth to liars they will always accuse you of lying.
Because the truth speaks a different story to the one they tell themselves.

To those who wish to follow Christ in integrity and truth, beware those who
rip others to pieces and say peace when there is war, and war when there is peace.

Nothing is as it seems unless they love the Lord Jesus Christ and follow His ways.

 

[miknik5]

understand. You are saying I do not know God and are not called of God.
EG was saying Elijah sinned and could never walk blamelessly before the Lord.
His groups theology says legalism failed all the prophets and they did not please God.

It was only through Christ and the resurrection is true reconciliation found through faith for
past current and future sins. It is a dispensational view. It rejects we can truly walk
righteously today, or be blameless after God through Christ has done a good work in us.

YES TO THE ABOVE! Although it appears that you are not in agreement to this? What you say to this is that this TRUTH rejects that we can walk "righteously" today?

Do you know the TRUE MANTLE of RIGHTEOUSNESS sir?

You said "through CHRIST has done a good work in us"? Did you mean through CHRIST or though CHRIST? And what work did HE do in us? And without HIS WORK of doing in us what is HIS WORK, can we walk in the RIGHTEOUSNESS of GOD?

Now you appear to be taking a different line. Now the Spirit I speak from is the Holy Spirit
working in my heart, for His glory. I wonder what your "true mantle" is.
It sounds like NAR type language. Rick Joyner and the mantle. Is this your group?

The theology EG is espousing in part is Joseph Prince and hyper grace.
Would not surprise me you have a different take on things.

Repeat again for WHOSE GLORY the HOLY SPIRIT is doing all things?
Can you review John 16 and tell me for whose GLORY the HOLY SPIRIT is doing all things?

And then can you explain to me whose SPIRIT is in us?
Is it GOD'S or is it CHRIST'S?

And if THE SON is separate from THE FATHER, how many HOLY SPIRITS are there?

See that is the problem, sir.
You aren't understanding WHOSE MANTLE it truly is.

 

[Blain]

Ok guys I think this bickering between each other has run it's course don't you? What good does senseless arguing do? how does this glorify God or bring us closer to him? If a brother simply will not listen then you shake the dust off your feet and walk away it's easy to tell when a person is not going to heed your words so if you continue to speak to them knowing how they are going to respond and that they will not listen then why do you continue?

Our time can be better used to seek God and to help further his kingdom

 

[LaurenTM]

King Richard by way of Shakespere?

and we have a winner!

please step up and accept your rep

I understand they are rather good with a little hot sauce

 

[LaurenTM]

Sounds like you are blessed! God does things like that for his children. Praise God.

yes~!

thank you!~

 

[miknik5]

Peter Jens,

Whose SPIRIT was in CHRIST'S precrucified body?

 

[miknik5]

PeterJens,
You did miss the point I was trying to say in explaining Elijah.
He knew whose SPIRIT was in him...
And Elisha didn't know.
But, after Elisha received THE MANTLE, it was only then that he knew whose SPIRIT was in him. And he wouldn't have and didn't profess himself or Elijah...but only professed and glorified GOD...

And the HOLY SPIRIT as well does not speak of HIMSELF but glorifies CHRIST.

Therefore, if any man is IN CHRIST, hidden in HIS ROYAL ROBES of RIGHTEOUSNESS, having that GARMENT....yes, he is covered over and walks in the "RIGHTEOUSNESS" of GOD made known...which is because of and by and through and in CHRIST...and HIM alone.

There isn't anything that we must do that hasn't already been done for us...but we do have a LORD, and we are called to do what pleases HIM and to leave all men who is THE JUDGE...who knows what is hidden in every man and knows if a man is making a false profession or not...

And even Paul didn't want to be found outside professing a false sense of his own self-righteousness...but wanted to be found in HIM not having a self-professed righteousness of his own...


Oh, and Job also understood the catch 22 iveness of professing himself before GOD..

 

[miknik5]

I was simply following up PeterJens last post to me where I only said to him no that is not what I meant. I am finishing the thought because I could not read all that he said because I was leaving for the day.

Should I carry over his post and start a new thread?

Did you follow the discussion about Elijah which PeterJens did not fully understand? The point trying to be made was that Elijah knew whose SPIRIT was in him doing all these things that are good...

There are no more prophets today...there are only witnesses of CHRIST...and PeterJens is confusing himself in thinking that he has been called to preach more than what has been received.

No man is supposed to go above THE MASTER who is MASTER of HIS OWN BODY...and as such is able to direct the "members" BY HIS SPIRIT as HE pleases and purposes...

 

[Cee]

No it's okay, I just didn't see how your question fit within the discussion. Carry on! I thought better of my post and deleted it but you saw it already.

C.

I was simply following up PeterJens last post to me where I only said to him no that is not what I meant. I am finishing the thought because I could not read all that he said because I was leaving for the day.

Should I carry over his post and start a new thread?

 

[miknik5]

No it's okay, I just didn't see how your question fit within the discussion. Carry on! I thought better of my post and deleted it but you saw it already.

C.

Do you see the post now with regards to Elijah and Elisha who asked Elijah for a double portion of his (Elijah's) spirit not at that moment understanding that it wasn't Elijah's spirit which was being passed...but GOD'S?


That was the point I was trying to make to Peter, but he didn't see it and thought I was telling him pointedly that he did not have GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT.

Which is why I asked him whose SPIRIT was in CHRIST"S VESSEL of HIS BODY...before HIS CRUCIFIXION and AFTER HIS CRUCIFIXION...

 

[posthuman]

Here is another scripture along the same lines ...

Romans 11

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root,18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you.19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.”20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble.21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

in Romans 10 we hear that the natural branches who were broken off will be grafted in again -- that the purpose of the wild branches was to show His mercy to them, and also to provoke the natural branches to jealousy. have a look at the rest of the passage you cut short -- there's enduring hope there, and an assurance too, especially if we are indeed made new with a genuine heartfelt desire to remain in His kindness:

Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.​

i mean don't get me wrong -- that is a passage that should make us tremble, and humble ourselves before Him. but it is ultimately about faith and unbelief. "enduring to the end" is about persisting in faith: a faith that produces works, yes, but faith; not works. He has constrained everyone to sin, so that everyone may be saved by His mercy, and no one can boast.
He is able to graft back in everything that is broken off, and if He made you from dust, can He not raise you up out of ashes?
salvation hinges on believing Christ is the Son of God, the Lamb who takes away your sin. if anyone believes on Him, they love Him. and if anyone loves Him, they keep His commandments. it is for good works -- yes, salvation is unto good works -- but failing to walk by the spirit putting us in jeopardy of being broken off the tree isn't the whole story. i don't deny that; but if we're not careful we can end up in a works-righteousness theology, and we know that is not right: we need "the righteousness that comes by faith in the Son of God" -- that's the kind that saves, and it is apart from works. i think the modern backlash against legalism is kind of a result of a lot of legalistic false teaching, and it can be overblown for sure. "there's a ditch on both sides of the road" you know . .

i can go live any way i want to for the rest of my life ((not without consequences)) and persist in believing in Him, and still be saved.
. . . but He changed my "want to"
that's something no law has ever been able to do.
that's something dread of punishment has never been able to do.
that's something love can do. it's the work of God, and that work is part of His salvation -- salvation isn't "diplomatic immunity" -- it's the death of the old, and the life of a new creation.


look, compared to eternity, we are all very very very young. a long way to go to "mature" in Him, no matter how well constrained in you the lusts of the flesh & the eyes and the pride of life are! just how holy He is, and we are declared to be, and are being conformed to!
these shoes He says i'm gong to grow into are HUGE !

For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
(Romans 12:3)
​

Lord, increase our faith!!

 

[miknik5]

PeterJens

Review the garments of a High Priest and tell me if those Garments were really needed?
And then review Aaron's sons and tell me why they came before GOD and were seen to be as strange fire before GOD?


Do you know the Law says, do not approach the altar on "steps" lest you be found uncovered?

What GARMENT do you think we must bring before the throne of GOD'S GRACE other than the GARMENT of GRACE received?

 

[ladylynn]

Foundational error - We are sinners.

Foundational truth - We are saints.

Very appropriate words for an appropriate answer. Timely., sweet and simple and too the point.

 

[Cee]

Another idea with this passage, is that Paul is contrasting Israel and the Gentiles as a whole.

The TREE Paul is talking about is the entire nations of each. If we despise God's goodness toward us Gentiles, we can be cut off (the Gentile nation) not individuals. It fit the context when I studied it out, but I wouldn't say I am 100% sure it's accurate yet.

C.

in Romans 10 we hear that the natural branches who were broken off will be grafted in again -- that the purpose of the wild branches was to show His mercy to them, and also to provoke the natural branches to jealousy. have a look at the rest of the passage you cut short -- there's enduring hope there, and an assurance too, especially if we are indeed made new with a genuine heartfelt desire to remain in His kindness:

Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.​

i mean don't get me wrong -- that is a passage that should make us tremble, and humble ourselves before Him. but it is ultimately about faith and unbelief. "enduring to the end" is about persisting in faith: a faith that produces works, yes, but faith; not works. He has constrained everyone to sin, so that everyone may be saved by His mercy, and no one can boast.
He is able to graft back in everything that is broken off, and if He made you from dust, can He not raise you up out of ashes?
salvation hinges on believing Christ is the Son of God, the Lamb who takes away your sin. if anyone believes on Him, they love Him. and if anyone loves Him, they keep His commandments. it is for good works -- yes, salvation is unto good works -- but failing to walk by the spirit putting us in jeopardy of being broken off the tree isn't the whole story. i don't deny that; but if we're not careful we can end up in a works-righteousness theology, and we know that is not right: we need "the righteousness that comes by faith in the Son of God" -- that's the kind that saves, and it is apart from works. i think the modern backlash against legalism is kind of a result of a lot of legalistic false teaching, and it can be overblown for sure. "there's a ditch on both sides of the road" you know . .

i can go live any way i want to for the rest of my life ((not without consequences)) and persist in believing in Him, and still be saved.
. . . but He changed my "want to"
that's something no law has ever been able to do.
that's something dread of punishment has never been able to do.
that's something love can do. it's the work of God, and that work is part of His salvation -- salvation isn't "diplomatic immunity" -- it's the death of the old, and the life of a new creation.


look, compared to eternity, we are all very very very young. a long way to go to "mature" in Him, no matter how well constrained in you the lusts of the flesh & the eyes and the pride of life are! just how holy He is, and we are declared to be, and are being conformed to!
these shoes He says i'm gong to grow into are HUGE !

For through the grace given to me I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to think; but to think so as to have sound judgment, as God has allotted to each a measure of faith.
(Romans 12:3)
​

Lord, increase our faith!!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Another idea with this passage, is that Paul is contrasting Israel and the Gentiles as a whole.

The TREE Paul is talking about is the entire nations of each. If we despise God's goodness toward us Gentiles, we can be cut off (the Gentile nation) not individuals. It fit the context when I studied it out, but I wouldn't say I am 100% sure it's accurate yet.

C.

GOD didn't break off the entire nation of Israel. He only broke off those branches in Israel that didn't believe.

 

[miknik5]

Sorry, Cee...
Bear with me...I know I am coarse and abrupt.
I hate it about myself also...but, I have had to "learn" to stop looking at myself and thinking that if I cry all the more, this is some sort of confirmation to myself that I am doing right before GOD.

You see, I used to cry a lot...and in my fear of offending men by preaching THE TRUTH, I withheld the WORD of GOD for that very reason...

But, well...I had to "learn" this was not in service to GOD who wants all men to come to the KNOWLEDGE of HIS SON...

Therefore, I have set my face like flint and do and say all that I have been given to do and say and trust that what I have been given to say is to serve those who will hear and believe...and in this, I have also left myself to HIM and entrust to HIM, HE is keeping for the day...

And I stopped crying and worrying about offending men...

Sorry...