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And you also have to fit in the verse mailmandan gave regarding this. Because neither one of the verses fit with what you preach.
 

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Yes. My only point is our salvation has nothing to do with whether we make Christ our Lord, or obey Him. Our relationship will suffer, and God will chastise us, even to the point of taking us home, for prolonged rebellion, but we can never be lost.

Again, to offer any service for the gift of salvation negates it as a gift.
"Or in seeing me serve God it gives proof of the free gift as being a reality lived out, showing what He promises He delivers."

Let me be clear once again, I never said, I serve God FOR anything. I serve God BECAUSE of His free gift. My focus has changed from what I get to what He wants, as He is Lord of my life.

So I say, walk by the Spirit, (which is Gods free gift by birthright, needing Atonement thru Jesus Christ, over sin and its rule of slavery)...and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. (Gal. 5:16).

Again, evidence that what He gave is real, and what He gave I received. The will here is vital, for the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. (Gal. 5:17). God tells us His yoke is easy and His burden is light, but our lives are to pick up the Cross and follow Him daily, in other words, to love God really, we will serve Him, for this is His will which He delights in having us do, and delights in sharing in His glory with us in Himself.

We are not our own God, we are a servant of the Lord. The gospel is a gift to my poverty, not a triumph to my resources, thus, This has nothing to do with my Godship offering Him a service, for this is useless to consider, and never a thought in God's mind.

In reality I am not controlled by my sinful nature. I am controlled by the Spirit if I have the Spirit of God living in me. Keeping in mind, that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to Him at all. (Read Romans 8:9 to reference). So, I am a living sacrifice Holy and pleasing to God, which Jesus did, and we are empowered to do in Him; as to present myself as the outcome of His workmanship in me, which Our Holy Father will glory in and share with us in Christ.

For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God. (Deuteronomy 4:24). By His will and in the reality of Jesus' death on a Cross He has procured it as a gift to receive thru believing. But I shutter to think what God would tell me when He rewinds the tape of my life to the place He gave me His free gift and I were to have buried it under the ground in the backyard, not understanding how real His purpose in my life to align my will with His as to the blessing of my own life, always in Christ; which is the wholeness of His love for me. Obedience is receiving the free gift, this is where God empowers in us to use His free gift for His purposes to love and serve Him, by loving others in light of His Wisdom and not our own.

To offer Him my life (not simply service, without His calling) not only doesn't negate the free gift, it incomparably demonstrates it! For I never said I serve for anything, but serve as a result of....Everything He has given me; that being the free gift of love, and restoration in Himself; Jesus Christ my Lord and King, and the God-head as a whole.
 
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But Christians don't walk in the Spirit all the time. And if you say you do I Know one person who has LIED :) or who has such an easy life that he thinks he has
So you are saying that Christians don't reject wrong thoughts.
Well they should.
 
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I challenge that. The baptism in the Spirit in 1 Cor 12. does not mention tongues. There were only tongues given on SPECIAL
occasions, and they were very few,,

1 Cor 12: 13, Is the rebirth, Not the baptism in the Holy Ghost.
The Spirit baptises us into the body of Christ, 1 Cor 12: 13,
and Jesus baptises us with the Holy Ghost, Matt 3: 11.

Who said tongues was only given on special occasions??. Jesus said, "The BELIEVER will speak in tongues", That means every believer, and in every Biblical account of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost, they all spoke in tongues, Making tongues the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.
You are giving your own thoughts rather then saying what the Bible says.
 
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Amen! Paul, writing to the brethren, said in 1 Corinthians 12:29 - Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? The answer is NO to this rhetorical question.


Please keep the Bible and tongues in there right context, When Paul said, "Do all speak in tongues", he was talking about the one of the gifts of the Spirit, the tongues that need an interpretation, 1 Cor 12: 10, & v30, Not the other seven operations of tongues. Jesus said the BELIEVER shall speak with tongues.
 
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I didn't insist I don't have to speak in tongues. I just stated the truth, which is that I never have. And yet I've received my Baptism and commune with God often. It might be worth a thought that maybe some are just not given this and that the criterion we use to know if someone is our brother or sister should be love. Fruits. These are visible evidences of the Spirit and cannot be faked for long because, as an old saying goes, whatever you are carrying will spill out when someone bumps into you.

If you don't speak in tongues, [Which is the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost], how do you know you are baptised in the Holy Ghost??. It can't be love, Because that comes through the rebirth and it can't be joy, because Simon saw joy in Acts 8: 8. yet he didn't think they had been baptised in the Holy Ghost, Not until the Apostles laid hands on the disciples to give them the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

Jesus said every believer shall speak in tongues.
 
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I also challenge you to say where in Scripture it SAYS that the baptism in the Spirit has to be witnessed by tongues? if it were so we would be told. Paul obviously didn't know :) You just assume it because of SPECIAL incidents. It is never so outside Acts.


Jesus said the believers will [Should] receive the Holy Ghost, Jn 7: 37--39.
and tongues are the biblical evidence of receiving the baptism in the Holy Ghost, as there are only five Biblical accounts of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost, and they all spoke in tongues.
Acts 2: 4--11.
Acts 8: 17--21, The Greek meaning for, "Matter", in v 21. Is [Tongues, dialect and languages], They had the same experience as those in Acts 2: 4.
Acts 9: 17, We know that Paul spoke in tongues, as in 1 Cor 14; 18 he thanks God that he speaks in tongues more then them all.
Acts 10: 44--46.
Of cause tongues are outside the book of Acts, 1 Cor 12. 1 Cor 13. 1 Cor 14.

There are eight operations of tongues recorded in the Bible, and everyone are important to the believer, That's why God give tongues to His Church.
Acts 19: 2--6.

Of cause Paul knew, He spoke in tongues himself, and he heard the disciples speaking in tongues when he Ministered the baptism in the Holy Ghost to them, Acts 19: 6.
 
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By every Scripture I quoted. Thoughts can be sinful apart from acting on them.

I never said thoughts can't be sinful , I said the devil can put thoughts into our heads, And THEM thoughts aren't sinful unless take them, as we should reject them straight away.
As for sickness.
Although the devil has tried to put sickness on me, and although sickness has tried to come on me, I have always stood on the provision of healing, and refused to have it in Jesus name, I have always got the victory.
 
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This doesn't match up with what Jesus said though.
If I have anger in my heart, but I don't act outwardly on it, He says I have ALREADY murdered.
Even society recognizes that explosive anger can hit people suddenly.
That's why they have stiffer penalties for premeditated murder than for heat of the moment anger.
So you admit to taking the thought of anger, And Jesus said "Take no thought". And we have the Gog given power to reject wrong thoughts.
 
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Okay, now that I have your attention....
Everything is worthless and your point fails if God makes salvation conditional. Now you understand language like I do.
Gods phrases are open and straightforward. Sin is wrong, leads to death and judgement. Sinners are doomed without forgiveness. We only gain forgiveness through faith demonstrated by works.

"For God so loved the world that He gave is only Son that whoever believes in Him may not perish but have eternal life"

The condition is belief. Now listen to the parables. Belief to the end, life transforming, faithful belief.
All the promises are to those who stand in this place. It is that simple.

This whole construct is built upon sin being destruction of relationships and love. You want to say all christians continue in sin, and disbelief, so one flash in the pan is enough to fulfill all the promises given by God or He is a liar. So also speaks the enemy.

You would have a husband is bound to his wife even though they commit adultery, the promises still stand.
Or equally if the husband commits adultery, the wife must honour the husband.

Everyone says one simple point:-

Nothing impure will ever enter it (the new Jerusalem), nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
rev 21:27


Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:10-11

The people who hold your position deny that anyone can be "holy" yet here is John saying, "let the holy person continue to be holy."

Of those written in the book, they are eternal, but they could walk away, or else choice and love do not exist.
The fact that God promises to His people to be faithful and not turn one away, does not mean he is faithful to the rebellious, those who tasted but cursed the King. Surely those who walk in such a way deserve more dishonour than those who have not even tasted.

What did Jesus say of the cities that refused to accept the good news when preached to them,

Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matt 10:15

Now dear reader these believers are very kind hearted, those who tasted of grace and love, yet went back to sin and death should be saved, because though they sinned against God in ignorance, now sinning against God in knowledge should be forgiven. I suggest it is their own sins and bad conscience they wish to be forgiven, and they doubt their own salvation without this forgiveness, so it is their own unbelief and lack of understanding of the King which they are expressing.

In our eyes the Lord is brutal, but then who is God and who is the sinner. For us sin has always been minor, a small error, something of convoluted minds, which really does not effect the relationship. Ever listened to an adulterer. It meant nothing, I still love you, really.... So will plead all sinners on judgement day who have not entered the Kingdom and stayed true to their King.
 
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If you don't speak in tongues, [Which is the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost], how do you know you are baptised in the Holy Ghost??. It can't be love, Because that comes through the rebirth and it can't be joy, because Simon saw joy in Acts 8: 8. yet he didn't think they had been baptised in the Holy Ghost, Not until the Apostles laid hands on the disciples to give them the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

Jesus said every believer shall speak in tongues.
You know because your life changes. because you have become a child of God and are no longer part of the word

Baptism of the HS does not give the gift of tongues, Those who were annointed by the spirit may have the gft, The spirit only gives certain people certain gift, as is needed to do his Gods will.
 

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"Or in seeing me serve God it gives proof of the free gift as being a reality lived out, showing what He promises He delivers."

Let me be clear once again, I never said, I serve God FOR anything. I serve God BECAUSE of His free gift. My focus has changed from what I get to what He wants, as He is Lord of my life.

So I say, walk by the Spirit, (which is Gods free gift by birthright, needing Atonement thru Jesus Christ, over sin and its rule of slavery)...and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. (Gal. 5:16).

Again, evidence that what He gave is real, and what He gave I received. The will here is vital, for the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. (Gal. 5:17). God tells us His yoke is easy and His burden is light, but our lives are to pick up the Cross and follow Him daily, in other words, to love God really, we will serve Him, for this is His will which He delights in having us do, and delights in sharing in His glory with us in Himself.

We are not our own God, we are a servant of the Lord. The gospel is a gift to my poverty, not a triumph to my resources, thus, This has nothing to do with my Godship offering Him a service, for this is useless to consider, and never a thought in God's mind.

In reality I am not controlled by my sinful nature. I am controlled by the Spirit if I have the Spirit of God living in me. Keeping in mind, that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to Him at all. (Read Romans 8:9 to reference). So, I am a living sacrifice Holy and pleasing to God, which Jesus did, and we are empowered to do in Him; as to present myself as the outcome of His workmanship in me, which Our Holy Father will glory in and share with us in Christ.

For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God. (Deuteronomy 4:24). By His will and in the reality of Jesus' death on a Cross He has procured it as a gift to receive thru believing. But I shutter to think what God would tell me when He rewinds the tape of my life to the place He gave me His free gift and I were to have buried it under the ground in the backyard, not understanding how real His purpose in my life to align my will with His as to the blessing of my own life, always in Christ; which is the wholeness of His love for me. Obedience is receiving the free gift, this is where God empowers in us to use His free gift for His purposes to love and serve Him, by loving others in light of His Wisdom and not our own.

To offer Him my life (not simply service, without His calling) not only doesn't negate the free gift, it incomparably demonstrates it! For I never said I serve for anything, but serve as a result of....Everything He has given me; that being the free gift of love, and restoration in Himself; Jesus Christ my Lord and King, and the God-head as a whole.

Just one quick question to clarify what you believe:

If you never did a single thing for God after receiving the gift of salvation, will you lose your salvation?

Just "yes" or "no" - please.
 

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Who said tongues was only given on special occasions??. Jesus said, "The BELIEVER will speak in tongues", That means every believer, and in every Biblical account of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost, they all spoke in tongues, Making tongues the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.
You are wrong, yet again. What a surprise.


There are three occasions in the book of Acts where speaking in tongues accompanied the receiving of the Holy Spirit—Acts 2:4, 10:44-46, and 19:6. However, these three occasions are the only places in the Bible where speaking in tongues is an evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. Throughout the book of Acts, thousands of people believe in Jesus and nothing is said about them speaking in tongues (Acts 2:41, 8:5-25,16:31-34, 21:20). Nowhere in the New Testament is it taught that speaking in tongues is the only evidence a person has received the Holy Spirit. In fact, the New Testament teaches the opposite. We are told that every believer in Christ has the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13-14), but not every believer speaks in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:29-31).

So, why was speaking in tongues the evidence of the Holy Spirit in those three passages in Acts? Acts 2 records the apostles being baptized in the Holy Spirit and empowered by Him to proclaim the gospel. The apostles were enabled to speak in other languages (tongues) so they could share the truth with people in their own languages. Acts 10 records the apostle Peter being sent to share the gospel with non-Jewish people. Peter and the other early Christians, being Jews, would have a hard time accepting Gentiles (non-Jewish people) into the church. God enabled the Gentiles to speak in tongues to demonstrate that they had received the same Holy Spirit the apostles had received (Acts 10:47, 11:17).

Acts 10:44-47 describes this: “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, 'Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.'“ Peter later refers back to this occasion as proof that God was indeed saving the Gentiles (Acts 15:7-11).

Speaking in tongues is nowhere presented as something all Christians should expect when they receive Jesus Christ as their Savior and are therefore baptized in the Holy Spirit. In fact, out of all the conversion accounts in the New Testament, only two record speaking in tongues in that context. Tongues was a miraculous gift that had a specific purpose for a specific time. It was not, and never has been, the only evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. - gotQuestions.org

Is speaking in tongues evidence for having the Holy Spirit?
 

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I never said thoughts can't be sinful , I said the devil can put thoughts into our heads, And THEM thoughts aren't sinful unless take them, as we should reject them straight away.
As for sickness.
Although the devil has tried to put sickness on me, and although sickness has tried to come on me, I have always stood on the provision of healing, and refused to have it in Jesus name, I have always got the victory.
You never said thoughts can't be sinful? Let me quote you in post #244:

A thought isn't a sin
Congratulations - you lied. And sinned.

And for you to say you have never been sick, and never will be, is another lie. You know it, and everyone who reads this knows it. You manage to do what even the Apostles couldn't do, for many times they were sick.

All of this is even more evidence you are a troll.
 

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Everything is worthless and your point fails if God makes salvation conditional. Now you understand language like I do.
Gods phrases are open and straightforward. Sin is wrong, leads to death and judgement. Sinners are doomed without forgiveness. We only gain forgiveness through faith demonstrated by works.

"For God so loved the world that He gave is only Son that whoever believes in Him may not perish but have eternal life"

The condition is belief. Now listen to the parables. Belief to the end, life transforming, faithful belief.
All the promises are to those who stand in this place. It is that simple.

This whole construct is built upon sin being destruction of relationships and love. You want to say all christians continue in sin, and disbelief, so one flash in the pan is enough to fulfill all the promises given by God or He is a liar. So also speaks the enemy.

You would have a husband is bound to his wife even though they commit adultery, the promises still stand.
Or equally if the husband commits adultery, the wife must honour the husband.

Everyone says one simple point:-

Nothing impure will ever enter it (the new Jerusalem), nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
rev 21:27


Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near. Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.”
Rev 22:10-11

The people who hold your position deny that anyone can be "holy" yet here is John saying, "let the holy person continue to be holy."

Of those written in the book, they are eternal, but they could walk away, or else choice and love do not exist.
The fact that God promises to His people to be faithful and not turn one away, does not mean he is faithful to the rebellious, those who tasted but cursed the King. Surely those who walk in such a way deserve more dishonour than those who have not even tasted.

What did Jesus say of the cities that refused to accept the good news when preached to them,

Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Matt 10:15

Now dear reader these believers are very kind hearted, those who tasted of grace and love, yet went back to sin and death should be saved, because though they sinned against God in ignorance, now sinning against God in knowledge should be forgiven. I suggest it is their own sins and bad conscience they wish to be forgiven, and they doubt their own salvation without this forgiveness, so it is their own unbelief and lack of understanding of the King which they are expressing.

In our eyes the Lord is brutal, but then who is God and who is the sinner. For us sin has always been minor, a small error, something of convoluted minds, which really does not effect the relationship. Ever listened to an adulterer. It meant nothing, I still love you, really.... So will plead all sinners on judgement day who have not entered the Kingdom and stayed true to their King.
You still sin, Pete. So your whole position is irreverent.

You add works for the retention of salvation, which means you preach a different gospel.
 
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You know because your life changes. because you have become a child of God and are no longer part of the word

Baptism of the HS does not give the gift of tongues, Those who were annointed by the spirit may have the gft, The spirit only gives certain people certain gift, as is needed to do his Gods will.


NO..NO.. Our lives change as we become Children of God through the new birth, Not through the Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
The Baptism in the Holy Ghost Does give us tongues, As I have shown you in Acts 2: 4. Acts 8: 17--21.
Acts 9: 17, with 1 Cor 14: 18. Acts 10: 44--46. Acts 19: 2--6.
Every Christian is Anointed, 2 Cor 1: 21. And every Christian can be baptised in the Holy Ghost, Mk 16: 17. Acts 11: 15--17.

People do have different gifts, But everyone can and should speak in tongues. As for the gifts of tongues, as in the gifts of the Spirit, in 1 Cor 12: 10, they are for interpreting, and not everyone will have that gift. But there are another seven operations of tongues which everyone who is baptised in the Holy Ghost should use.
One of the operations of tongues, is to build us up, Are you saying God doesn't want us built up??.

You have mistaken the new birth with the baptism in the Holy Ghost, which is a separate experience.
 
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You are wrong, yet again. What a surprise.


There are three occasions in the book of Acts where speaking in tongues accompanied the receiving of the Holy Spirit—Acts 2:4, 10:44-46, and 19:6. However, these three occasions are the only places in the Bible where speaking in tongues is an evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. Throughout the book of Acts, thousands of people believe in Jesus and nothing is said about them speaking in tongues (Acts 2:41, 8:5-25,16:31-34, 21:20). Nowhere in the New Testament is it taught that speaking in tongues is the only evidence a person has received the Holy Spirit. In fact, the New Testament teaches the opposite. We are told that every believer in Christ has the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:13; Ephesians 1:13-14), but not every believer speaks in tongues (1 Corinthians 12:29-31).

So, why was speaking in tongues the evidence of the Holy Spirit in those three passages in Acts? Acts 2 records the apostles being baptized in the Holy Spirit and empowered by Him to proclaim the gospel. The apostles were enabled to speak in other languages (tongues) so they could share the truth with people in their own languages. Acts 10 records the apostle Peter being sent to share the gospel with non-Jewish people. Peter and the other early Christians, being Jews, would have a hard time accepting Gentiles (non-Jewish people) into the church. God enabled the Gentiles to speak in tongues to demonstrate that they had received the same Holy Spirit the apostles had received (Acts 10:47, 11:17).

Acts 10:44-47 describes this: “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, 'Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.'“ Peter later refers back to this occasion as proof that God was indeed saving the Gentiles (Acts 15:7-11).

Speaking in tongues is nowhere presented as something all Christians should expect when they receive Jesus Christ as their Savior and are therefore baptized in the Holy Spirit. In fact, out of all the conversion accounts in the New Testament, only two record speaking in tongues in that context. Tongues was a miraculous gift that had a specific purpose for a specific time. It was not, and never has been, the only evidence of receiving the Holy Spirit. - gotQuestions.org

Is speaking in tongues evidence for having the Holy Spirit?

I'm not wrong,
[A]There are Five Biblical accounts of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost, and every time they spoke in tongues.
Count them with me.
[1]Acts 2: 4--11.
[2]Acts 8: 17--21, The Greek meaning for, "Matter", in v 21. Is [Tongues, dialect and languages], They had the same experience as those in Acts 2: 4.
[3]Acts 9: 17, We know that Paul spoke in tongues, as in 1 Cor 14; 18 he thanks God that he speaks in tongues more then them all.
[4]Acts 10: 44--46.
[5]Acts 19: 2--6.


Apart from Acts 8, where they was baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, The other scriptures that you gave doesn't mention them being baptised in the Holy Ghost, it just mentions them being saved, Born again of the Spirit.

[C]Of cause every believer has the Holy Ghost through the rebirth,
But not every believer is baptised in the Holy Ghost with the Biblical evidence of speaking in tongues. Although every believer can and should be baptised in the Holy Ghost.

[D]The tongues in 1 Cor 12: 10 and v 30, are one of the gifts of the Spirit, and it's a tongues that needs an interpretation, And not everyone has that gift, But they can have the other seven operations of tongues that are recorded in the Bible.

[E]They weren't using tongues to preach the gospel, in act 2: 4--11. The were speaking about the miracles that God does.
If they were preaching, why would Peter have to get up and teach to the people??. Acts 2: 14--41.


[F]You are saying that God had one plan for the early believers, and a different plan for everyone else, Anyone who wasn't a Jew was a Gentile, And anyone can and should be baptised in the Holy Ghost, It's a gift to the Church.
If God gave the early Jews and Gentiles the Holy Ghost, then He will give it to everyone who believes, If He didn't, He would be, [1] a respecter of people, [2] a liar, because Jesus said the believer shall speak in tongues.


[G] The rebirth, [Born of the Spirit] doesn't make one speak in tongues, It's the baptism in the Holy Ghost that makes one speak in tongues, and they are two separate experiences.
 
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You never said thoughts can't be sinful? Let me quote you in post #244:



Congratulations - you lied. And sinned.

And for you to say you have never been sick, and never will be, is another lie. You know it, and everyone who reads this knows it. You manage to do what even the Apostles couldn't do, for many times they were sick.

All of this is even more evidence you are a troll.

You are very naughty for misquoting me, Here is the full quote from, #244.

Is there anything in the Bible that you actually believe??. A sinful thought will come to everyone, The key is to reject those thoughts, A thought isn't a sin, unless it's acted on.
Why don't you just admit that you only teach half of the Bible, and by doing that, you deceive people.

No apologize to me.
 

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I'm not wrong,
[A]There are Five Biblical accounts of people being baptised in the Holy Ghost, and every time they spoke in tongues.
Count them with me.
[1]Acts 2: 4--11.
[2]Acts 8: 17--21, The Greek meaning for, "Matter", in v 21. Is [Tongues, dialect and languages], They had the same experience as those in Acts 2: 4.
[3]Acts 9: 17, We know that Paul spoke in tongues, as in 1 Cor 14; 18 he thanks God that he speaks in tongues more then them all.
[4]Acts 10: 44--46.
[5]Acts 19: 2--6.


Apart from Acts 8, where they was baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, The other scriptures that you gave doesn't mention them being baptised in the Holy Ghost, it just mentions them being saved, Born again of the Spirit.

[C]Of cause every believer has the Holy Ghost through the rebirth,
But not every believer is baptised in the Holy Ghost with the Biblical evidence of speaking in tongues. Although every believer can and should be baptised in the Holy Ghost.

[D]The tongues in 1 Cor 12: 10 and v 30, are one of the gifts of the Spirit, and it's a tongues that needs an interpretation, And not everyone has that gift, But they can have the other seven operations of tongues that are recorded in the Bible.

[E]They weren't using tongues to preach the gospel, in act 2: 4--11. The were speaking about the miracles that God does.
If they were preaching, why would Peter have to get up and teach to the people??. Acts 2: 14--41.


[F]You are saying that God had one plan for the early believers, and a different plan for everyone else, Anyone who wasn't a Jew was a Gentile, And anyone can and should be baptised in the Holy Ghost, It's a gift to the Church.
If God gave the early Jews and Gentiles the Holy Ghost, then He will give it to everyone who believes, If He didn't, He would be, [1] a respecter of people, [2] a liar, because Jesus said the believer shall speak in tongues.


[G] The rebirth, [Born of the Spirit] doesn't make one speak in tongues, It's the baptism in the Holy Ghost that makes one speak in tongues, and they are two separate experiences.



You do realize that tongues in the New Testament is one speaking in the language of another country, don't you? It was so that people could understand the gospel in their own language.

It isn't the gobbledygook that one hears on TBN.

Not all Christians speak in tongues. The Holy Spirit gives different gifts to believers.

"But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills... And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? But earnestly desire the greater gifts." (1 Corinthians 12:7-11, 21-31)


Does it bother you at all to get proven wrong time and time again?
 

Budman

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You are very naughty for misquoting me, Here is the full quote from, #244.

Is there anything in the Bible that you actually believe??. A sinful thought will come to everyone, The key is to reject those thoughts, A thought isn't a sin, unless it's acted on.
Why don't you just admit that you only teach half of the Bible, and by doing that, you deceive people.

No apologize to me.
I won't apologize to you simply because I was correct. You claimed you never said a thought can't be sinful. You said it in the above quote, and it doesn't matter if you add "unless" to it or not. So stop contradicting yourself.


And I notice you skipped answering this part of my post:

"And for you to say you have never been sick, and never will be, is another lie. You know it, and everyone who reads this knows it. You manage to do what even the Apostles couldn't do, for many times they were sick."