Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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I respect your authority to this site. But according to St. Ignatius of Antioch (107 AD) aren't those who don't believe the Eucharist is the true body and blood of Christ are heretics? In John 6 didn't Christ let those leave who did not believe he was actually saying in the Greek to "gnaw" on my body (6:56) We have practiced the same teachings since day 1. Of course doctrines and dogmas have been added because of denominations and heresies have forced explanations and beliefs. Last time I checked Catholicism was established by Christ in ad 33 and He said " The gates of Hell will not prevail against it." Why would any other man made "Christian denomination" be valid? With all do respect, again (1 Peter 3:15). Look at the source of what it took to get to what you believe. It all started with Martin Luther (Catholic Priest turned heretic), then John Calvin, then the Ana Baptist which of all, the Ana baptists are the most far off claiming they're a "new" baptism. What? Ephesians 4:5. Martin Luther as he was older stated "What have I done, now there are as many faiths as heads." Some food for thought. Was Christ a liar? Did His Church fail when he said it wouldn't? Look up your roots and look up Catholic doctrine from a Catholic source before you research from some trendy "anti-catholic" site to find out what it's all about. I wouldn't look up Hinduism from an anti-Hindu site. You can ask any Catholic we don't pray to a statue. Most of all, My condolences about your mother-in-law. All I hope to accomplish is some good back and forth. If you don't wish to engage please tell me. "You reap what you sow." God Bless.
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With Robo being from the Philippines (86% Catholic nation) i think it's safe to say he's had his fair exposure to Catholic teachings. So perhaps you should research peoples backgrounds before accusing them of being clueless, being trendy and ignorant. To state he got his information from 'trendy' and 'anti-Catholic websites' shows you are quick to assume, but have nothing of real substance to say. You have zero evidence that is the basis upon which he came to his decision, but that didn't stop you from making the story up and trying to state it as fact. In reality it was a bold faced lie you just stated. Is making up stories about other people you know nothing about part of the 'good back and forth' you were hoping for?
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I never made any accusations, " Look up your roots and look up Catholic doctrine from a Catholic source before you research from some trendy "anti-catholic" site to find out what it's all about. " This is not an accusation. Besides 85% of your response referring to an accusation, which it was not, do you have any answers for me? Everything else I stated was fact.
I shall reply, not with doctrines of man, but the Holy Scripture.
Matthew 16:13-17 NKJV
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
Roman Catholics use this verse to support their notion that Peter is the rock upon which the church is built. Let's take a look at the greek words shall we?
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
The greek word used for Peter in this verse is as follows:
Strongs Greek 4074
ΠέτροςPetros
pet'-ros
Strongs Concordance:
Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
Peter = “a rock or a stone”
1) one of the twelve disciples of Jesus
Let us now look at the greek word used for rock shortly after the use of "Peter"
Strongs Greek 4073
stone
petra
Strongs Concordance:
A (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
) a rock, cliff or ledge
1a) a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground
1b) a rock, a large stone
1c) metaphorically a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul
We have two very different words being used. That alone should end the discussion regarding Peter being the rock being spoken of. The word used for Peter is a piece of rock whereas the word used for "rock" is a large stone.
Now we go down to logical understanding. Yes, Jesus renames Simon Bar-Jonah to Peter. What is the rock that the church is being built upon. We know throughout the bible that Jesus is the Rock. The bible informs us that the Jewish fathers even drank from the same spiritual rock we partake in which is Christ Jesus. Peter had JUST finished giving the revelation he received from God the Father to Jesus that He was the Christ, the Son of the living God. To this Jesus said that Peter received this understanding and revelation from the Father. Then proceeds to rename him Peter and say that upon this "rock" He shall build His church. Thus the understanding is that the rock which the church is built upon is the revelation that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.... not Peter. The gates of hell/hades cannot stand against Christ Jesus, not a fallible man who shortly thereafter was rebuked by Jesus for using his carnal understanding, the source which is Satan hence the words "Get behind Me Satan," and trying to rebuke Jesus.
Matthew 16:13-17 NKJV
13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
Roman Catholics use this verse to support their notion that Peter is the rock upon which the church is built. Let's take a look at the greek words shall we?
18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
The greek word used for Peter in this verse is as follows:
Strongs Greek 4074
ΠέτροςPetros
pet'-ros
Strongs Concordance:
Apparently a primary word; a (piece of) rock (larger than G3037); as a name, Petrus, an apostle: - Peter, rock. Compare G2786.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
Peter = “a rock or a stone”
1) one of the twelve disciples of Jesus
Let us now look at the greek word used for rock shortly after the use of "Peter"
Strongs Greek 4073
stone
petra
Strongs Concordance:
A (mass of) rock (literally or figuratively): - rock.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
) a rock, cliff or ledge
1a) a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground
1b) a rock, a large stone
1c) metaphorically a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of soul
We have two very different words being used. That alone should end the discussion regarding Peter being the rock being spoken of. The word used for Peter is a piece of rock whereas the word used for "rock" is a large stone.
Now we go down to logical understanding. Yes, Jesus renames Simon Bar-Jonah to Peter. What is the rock that the church is being built upon. We know throughout the bible that Jesus is the Rock. The bible informs us that the Jewish fathers even drank from the same spiritual rock we partake in which is Christ Jesus. Peter had JUST finished giving the revelation he received from God the Father to Jesus that He was the Christ, the Son of the living God. To this Jesus said that Peter received this understanding and revelation from the Father. Then proceeds to rename him Peter and say that upon this "rock" He shall build His church. Thus the understanding is that the rock which the church is built upon is the revelation that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.... not Peter. The gates of hell/hades cannot stand against Christ Jesus, not a fallible man who shortly thereafter was rebuked by Jesus for using his carnal understanding, the source which is Satan hence the words "Get behind Me Satan," and trying to rebuke Jesus.
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Hi ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPT
When looking at your name. Whose one faith(belief) in respect to one Lord . Is that one faith in respect ?The fathers ....or of Christ's, the anointing Holy Spirit of God?
What does St. Ignatius’ of Antioch in respect to his private interpretation, as a personal commentary have to do with God’s interpretation the bible, other than it is an opinion like any other man’s?
Are you measuring the faith of Christ in respect to St. Ignatius and not that of Christ?
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh "profiteth nothing": the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Joh 6:63
Peter confirmed what Christ was saying in regard to Christ’s flesh not profiting as the spiritual unseen work of God, who poured out his Holy Spirit on flesh. It is His Spirit that can quicken our souls. No such thing as eternal flesh as if God had mother and father as a beginning of Spirit life and an end of Spirit life. God cannot die. The one time promised demonstration is over.we are commanded not to know him after that temporal flesh forever more .God has no form never did never will be a creature .he the faithful Creator. He can't make another God without a beginning .
Peter said; to whom shall we go you have the spiritual words of eternal life .Again no such thing as flesh made up of dust, of eternal life. Dust has no life and therefore no spirit life to offer.
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my “spirit” upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my “spirit”. Joel 2:28
That’s simply to prove that corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the kingdom of God. What is the spiritual meaning of drink blood as it relates to Christ ‘s which was poured out and returned to the dust from where it was taken from before God breathed spirit life into it. It was poured out at the base of the cross according to law . To literally drink/eat blood is an abomination.
Make the abomination go away by sharing the spiritual understanding of the words “drink blood” as to how it is used in various parables.
Exodus 29:12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.
Leviticus 4:7 And the priest shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the LORD, which is in the tabernacle of the congregation; and shall pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 4:18 And he shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar which is before the LORD, that is in the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall pour out all the blood at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 4:25 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Leviticus 4:30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour outall the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar.
Leviticus 4:34 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar:
Leviticus 17:13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
It returned to the lifeless spiritless dust it was taken from . What is the spiritual meaning of drink blood?
The sect called Catholic is not even listed in the scriptures. The first sect listed on this side of the cross is the Nazarene sect or called the Way .When did you say your denomination was added to the others? Some say there are 30,000 today .How did they come up with that figure. It sounds a little high? No such thing as non denominational. Christians walk by the faith of Christ which comes by hearing God as he infallibly informs us through the scriptures . Who is it that infallibly informs you of his will?
Yes by looking at the word it in the passage you offered its easy to see what it represents.It represents the same thing in both verses .Its altogether (both verses)one thought.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed "it" unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against "it". Mat 16:17 and 18
If the word it represents the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God as he revealed His will from heaven to Peter. That's the it is respect to the gates of hell not prevailing against it .Those verses are simply saying the revealed will of God is the authority in which the gates of hell could never prevail against.
Peter did not reveal the will of God to himself in respect to his own self? Do you think Peter is in the place of the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ, as in self revealing? And therefore flesh and blood revealed it to flesh and blood?
When looking at your name. Whose one faith(belief) in respect to one Lord . Is that one faith in respect ?The fathers ....or of Christ's, the anointing Holy Spirit of God?
What does St. Ignatius’ of Antioch in respect to his private interpretation, as a personal commentary have to do with God’s interpretation the bible, other than it is an opinion like any other man’s?
Are you measuring the faith of Christ in respect to St. Ignatius and not that of Christ?
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh "profiteth nothing": the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Joh 6:63
Peter confirmed what Christ was saying in regard to Christ’s flesh not profiting as the spiritual unseen work of God, who poured out his Holy Spirit on flesh. It is His Spirit that can quicken our souls. No such thing as eternal flesh as if God had mother and father as a beginning of Spirit life and an end of Spirit life. God cannot die. The one time promised demonstration is over.we are commanded not to know him after that temporal flesh forever more .God has no form never did never will be a creature .he the faithful Creator. He can't make another God without a beginning .
Peter said; to whom shall we go you have the spiritual words of eternal life .Again no such thing as flesh made up of dust, of eternal life. Dust has no life and therefore no spirit life to offer.
And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my “spirit” upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my “spirit”. Joel 2:28
That’s simply to prove that corrupted flesh and blood could never enter the kingdom of God. What is the spiritual meaning of drink blood as it relates to Christ ‘s which was poured out and returned to the dust from where it was taken from before God breathed spirit life into it. It was poured out at the base of the cross according to law . To literally drink/eat blood is an abomination.
Make the abomination go away by sharing the spiritual understanding of the words “drink blood” as to how it is used in various parables.
Exodus 29:12 And thou shalt take of the blood of the bullock, and put it upon the horns of the altar with thy finger, and pour all the blood beside the bottom of the altar.
Leviticus 4:7 And the priest shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar of sweet incense before the LORD, which is in the tabernacle of the congregation; and shall pour all the blood of the bullock at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 4:18 And he shall put some of the blood upon the horns of the altar which is before the LORD, that is in the tabernacle of the congregation, and shall pour out all the blood at the bottom of the altar of the burnt offering, which is at the door of the tabernacle of the congregation.
Leviticus 4:25 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out his blood at the bottom of the altar of burnt offering.
Leviticus 4:30 And the priest shall take of the blood thereof with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour outall the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar.
Leviticus 4:34 And the priest shall take of the blood of the sin offering with his finger, and put it upon the horns of the altar of burnt offering, and shall pour out all the blood thereof at the bottom of the altar:
Leviticus 17:13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.
Deuteronomy 12:16 Only ye shall not eat the blood; ye shall pour it upon the earth as water.
Deuteronomy 15:23 Only thou shalt not eat the blood thereof; thou shalt pour it upon the ground as water.
Joh 19:34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
It returned to the lifeless spiritless dust it was taken from . What is the spiritual meaning of drink blood?
The sect called Catholic is not even listed in the scriptures. The first sect listed on this side of the cross is the Nazarene sect or called the Way .When did you say your denomination was added to the others? Some say there are 30,000 today .How did they come up with that figure. It sounds a little high? No such thing as non denominational. Christians walk by the faith of Christ which comes by hearing God as he infallibly informs us through the scriptures . Who is it that infallibly informs you of his will?
Yes by looking at the word it in the passage you offered its easy to see what it represents.It represents the same thing in both verses .Its altogether (both verses)one thought.
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed "it" unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against "it". Mat 16:17 and 18
If the word it represents the faith of Christ which comes from hearing God as he revealed His will from heaven to Peter. That's the it is respect to the gates of hell not prevailing against it .Those verses are simply saying the revealed will of God is the authority in which the gates of hell could never prevail against.
Peter did not reveal the will of God to himself in respect to his own self? Do you think Peter is in the place of the anointing Holy Spirit of Christ, as in self revealing? And therefore flesh and blood revealed it to flesh and blood?
God also said "for ALL have sinned". Romans 5:12
But yet the Catholic Church has said:
In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."
492 The "splendor of an entirely unique holiness" by which Mary is "enriched from the first instant of her conception" comes wholly from Christ: she is "redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son". The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person "in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" and chose her "in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love".
To declare Mary sinless goes against what God has said.
This is why God smote the Catholic Church and brought His True Children, Martin Luther and John Calvin and others, out of the Catholic Church to spread the Truth to the World.
But yet the Catholic Church has said:
In the Constitution Ineffabilis Deus of 8 December, 1854, Pius IX pronounced and defined that the Blessed Virgin Mary "in the first instance of her conception, by a singular privilege and grace granted by God, in view of the merits of Jesus Christ, the Saviour of the human race, was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin."
492 The "splendor of an entirely unique holiness" by which Mary is "enriched from the first instant of her conception" comes wholly from Christ: she is "redeemed, in a more exalted fashion, by reason of the merits of her Son". The Father blessed Mary more than any other created person "in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places" and chose her "in Christ before the foundation of the world, to be holy and blameless before him in love".
To declare Mary sinless goes against what God has said.
This is why God smote the Catholic Church and brought His True Children, Martin Luther and John Calvin and others, out of the Catholic Church to spread the Truth to the World.
Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.
Romans 3:23 - All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (including Mary).
Luke 1:46 And Mary said: "My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
So much for Mary being sinless. The Bible says no such thing about Mary be preserved exempt from all stain of original sin.
Romans 3:23 - All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (including Mary).
Luke 1:46 And Mary said: "My soul magnifies the Lord, 47 And my spirit has rejoiced in God my Savior.
So much for Mary being sinless. The Bible says no such thing about Mary be preserved exempt from all stain of original sin.
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Amen well said.The Catholics can try to shirt around "all have sinned", but to continue to fall short of the glory of God, the context of the verse. They would have to make Mary God in order to not fall short of the glory of God. We are not to glory in the corrupted flesh of man. For in Christ through Christ by Christ can we find the glory that belongs to him alone.
Just try placing the name Mary after each question.
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord?(Mary) or who hath been his counsellor?(Mary)
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him (Mary) , and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be "glory" for ever. Amen.
Just try placing the name Mary after each question.
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord?(Mary) or who hath been his counsellor?(Mary)
Rom 11:35 Or who hath first given to him (Mary) , and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
Rom 11:36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be "glory" for ever. Amen.
O
Of course! Everyone who has honored Christ has honored his mother. She was chosen by God to give birth to God. We honor Christ by believing in Mary's words "All generations shall call me Blessed." This was inspired by God. It is recent to not show love, honor, and veneration to her. The first to break away from Christ's Church in 1517 was Martin Luther- HE even had a big devotion to our Blessed Mother. When Christ was dying on the cross he said "Woman, behold your son" (looking to John) and "son, behold your mother." showing John to Mary. She is described in Rev 12 as the mother of all of God's offspring. She has a huge role in Christianity. Again to clarify, she is NOT a god and no where near. she is only one, holy, blessed human chosen by God.
Ignatius merely taught that we had to 'partake of the body and blood of Christ'. He did not explain what that meant, he certainly didn't teach the real presence.
use your intelligence. Christ said men had to 'eat His body and drink His blood' in the old testament sense of partaking in His death (Psalm 14.4; 2 Samuel 23.17). The Lords supper was in no ones mind at that stage. The 'disciples' left because they knew that He meant He would die, not because of some undreamed of cannibal feast.
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Total historical rubbish,
LOL and under which headings do you put the fantasies about Mary?
You are mixing up 'the catholic (universal) church' to which we all belong, with the ROMAN Catholic church which began in 700 AD
and even the ROMAN Catholic church could not prevail against the true Catholic church,
well, the man made ROMAN Catholic church is NOT valid, that is true. The true Catholic church made up of all true believers in Christ is the only valid church,
LOL I can name many before Martin Luther. Your history is lacking. Besides the reformation in England owed nothing to Martin Luther. And John Calvin, Zwingli and a thousand others acted independently of Luther, Grow up and learn some history.
use your intelligence. Christ said men had to 'eat His body and drink His blood' in the old testament sense of partaking in His death (Psalm 14.4; 2 Samuel 23.17). The Lords supper was in no ones mind at that stage. The 'disciples' left because they knew that He meant He would die, not because of some undreamed of cannibal feast.
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Total historical rubbish,
LOL and under which headings do you put the fantasies about Mary?
You are mixing up 'the catholic (universal) church' to which we all belong, with the ROMAN Catholic church which began in 700 AD
and even the ROMAN Catholic church could not prevail against the true Catholic church,
well, the man made ROMAN Catholic church is NOT valid, that is true. The true Catholic church made up of all true believers in Christ is the only valid church,
LOL I can name many before Martin Luther. Your history is lacking. Besides the reformation in England owed nothing to Martin Luther. And John Calvin, Zwingli and a thousand others acted independently of Luther, Grow up and learn some history.
'honoured' but not venerated, we also recognise that Jesus later disowned her (Mark 3.33-35).,
you roman catholics sadly misuse that text. It meant that they would call her blessed because she bore the Messiah, not that they would call her 'the blessed virgin Mary' for all time,
It is godly to recognise that Christ disowned her. we love and honour all Christians, we do NOT venerate ANY. That belongs only to God,
ABSOLUTE HISTORICAL RUBBISH
The woman in Revelation 12 is the Nation of Israel, not Mary.
There is a BIG difference between honoring a person and Worshiping that same person!
Praying to a statue of Mary is NOT honoring Mary, its actually WORSHIPING Mary as a god that the Catholics are doing.
The problem with Catholics is they do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is why they see nothing wrong with deceiving you and me into believing they are Christians while Worshiping Mary as their god.
Repent ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPTISM accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before its too late and you find yourself stuck in the Lake of Fire with Satan.
There is a BIG difference between honoring a person and Worshiping that same person!
Praying to a statue of Mary is NOT honoring Mary, its actually WORSHIPING Mary as a god that the Catholics are doing.
The problem with Catholics is they do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is why they see nothing wrong with deceiving you and me into believing they are Christians while Worshiping Mary as their god.
Repent ONELORDONEFAITHONEBAPTISM accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before its too late and you find yourself stuck in the Lake of Fire with Satan.
O
Sorry, this is the first time in talking with thousands of protestants that the woman who is exactly described as Mary and what Mary did as Israel. I would challenge your source on that one. For clarification Catholics never worship anyone other than God and Christ Jesus. Again, praying to a statue is not worship. If you had a picture of you deceased mother, and pray to her during a difficult time, and someone saw, would they say you worship Kodak paper?! Again, we never worship Mary as god that's ludicrous and not taught anywhere. We most certainly have the Holy spirit. Why don't you show Mary and honor? She did say " all generations will call me Blessed" through the holy spirit. For clarification, again, I have and always do and will accept Christ as my Lord and savior. Your "new-age" beliefs are incomplete and you need to read scripture in a harmonious manner to see clearly. You are portraying (as most protestants do) a classic example of 2 Peter 3:16. Thanks for your concern though. I recommend submitting to Christ and follow the words straight out of his mouth to eat his flesh and drink his blood to absolve you of sin or you HAVE NO LIFE IN YOU and YOU will be the one dead. Or will you remain on of the thousands of disciples who walked away in John 6?
Praying to a picture or statue or image or anything of Mary is worshiping Mary as a god.
We are not talking about the Lord's Supper. We are talking about your refusal to Worship God only.
Praying to anything, a bed, a table, a picture, a rock, a statue of Mary, is worshiping that object as your god.
Why would i pray to a picture of my Mother? I pray to God only!
I believe the reason why you cannot understand what the Scriptures say and why you see nothing wrong with praying to Mary is because you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior and have never received the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Again i say, repent and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and then you will have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit who will open up your eyes finally to the Truth from God and to the lies from the Catholic Church.
Until you have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit you will walk in darkness the rest of your life. Is this really what you want? To walk in complete darkness? To not know Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
We are not talking about the Lord's Supper. We are talking about your refusal to Worship God only.
Praying to anything, a bed, a table, a picture, a rock, a statue of Mary, is worshiping that object as your god.
Why would i pray to a picture of my Mother? I pray to God only!
I believe the reason why you cannot understand what the Scriptures say and why you see nothing wrong with praying to Mary is because you have never accepted Jesus as your Lord and Savior and have never received the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Again i say, repent and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and then you will have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit who will open up your eyes finally to the Truth from God and to the lies from the Catholic Church.
Until you have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit you will walk in darkness the rest of your life. Is this really what you want? To walk in complete darkness? To not know Jesus as your Lord and Savior?
a Roman Catholic source is HEAVILY biased, they do not give a true history, I look to sound historians who are NOT of my church or yours, They are an independent witness. And they say your church is LYING about its history. For centuries the churches were independent to each area. There was no hierarchical church,