Eternal Security and free choice for the Christian?
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eternally-gratefull
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It is one thing to turn on a father who lets you down all the time
It is a far other thing to turn on a God who made the ultimate sacrifice (the cross) to bring you to a relationshipp wiht him, then never lets you down once he saves you..
It is a far other thing to turn on a God who made the ultimate sacrifice (the cross) to bring you to a relationshipp wiht him, then never lets you down once he saves you..
Here we go again->>>>>>http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/130066-servant-sin-abides-not-house-forever.html
Now you may want to ask yourself, does a person have a choice to sin, or not to sin? Hmmmm
Now you may want to ask yourself, does a person have a choice to sin, or not to sin? Hmmmm
I believe it's a combination of these 2 choices below.
I believe that when a person becomes a Christian his free choice (will) unites with God's will, thus he cannont choose to deny Christ
I believe that a Christian has free choice, but because of understanding God's love and goodness, the Christian will not choose to deny Christ
I believe that when a person becomes a Christian his free choice (will) unites with God's will, thus he cannont choose to deny Christ
I believe that a Christian has free choice, but because of understanding God's love and goodness, the Christian will not choose to deny Christ
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eternally-gratefull
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Sort of like, Because of the understanding of Gods love and goodness, A person can not chose to deny Christ.
makes sense
Interesting! I think I have the poll set up so you can choose more than one option if you like. Or, did you vote for just one of the two choices?
The son does remain in the house forever.
John 8:35-36 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
We are sons of God now.
Romans 8:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. ( not because we never sin )
1 John 3:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
John 8:35-36 (NASB)
[SUP]35 [/SUP] "The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever.
[SUP]36 [/SUP] "So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.
We are sons of God now.
Romans 8:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God,
Galatians 3:26 (KJV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. ( not because we never sin )
1 John 3:1 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] See how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we would be called children of God; and such we are. For this reason the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
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I can choose to sin of my own will, but I cannot choose never to sin. Thus I am wholly dependent on His mercy.
Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus (Rom 3,24)
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Just take it day by day.
Matthew 6:34
Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
Oh..sorry..I don't know we could do multiple ones. I'm so used to a poll where you just pick one...like in was in school with "multiple guess" questions.
All choices are still the choice of the believer with the word of God instructing as the Holy Spirit leads. If a believer is not in the word of God, does not understand the word of God, that believer may get so caught up in the circumstances of this world where they just might deny the Lord Jesus out of anger or fright. Do you actually think all believers are strong enough to face beheading by a hunting knife if they don't deny Christ? I think there are many who would deny the Lord Jesus Christ in a second to save their lives and their family.
The believer's choices will be judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
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Scriptureplz
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Peter had not been born again of the Holy Spirit yet, Jesus said as much.
Yeah. we have it much better because WE are sealed!
Well let's see, you say you are a pastor of some sort or another so where do you personally stand on the issue? Do you believe that you are able to deny Christ to the effect of losing your salvation? You did tell me you are saved so where is the Holy Spirit leading you?
What is you goal in this matter? Prove your own doctrine or compare it to everyone else's doctrine?
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Peter was sealed later too, but just not at the time he denied Jesus 3 times.
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Scriptureplz
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I don't think you get it. You're so proud to be proving me wrong you don't see the point that WE have it better and are completely eternally secure and CANNOT lose our salvation whether we deny Christ or not.
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Scriptureplz
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Yikes! Let me know how that turns out for ya.
The bible lets you know, but you can't support your theology if you recognize it.