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Did you ever wonder if the owner of that vineyard was able to get his workers to start before late afternoon after that day?
I always wondered how that worked out for him the next day.
Is Socialism biblical?
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Did you ever wonder if the owner of that vineyard was able to get his workers to start before late afternoon after that day?
I always wondered how that worked out for him the next day.
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i'm pretty sure the whole Bible is a book about salvation, and our relationship to God, not science or secular government, too
tbh i'm tired of talking about worldly stuff.
plus i have to go to bed because i get up for work at 1am.
goodnight! i love you all ♥
Another uncomfortable Scripture!!! What are you doing posthuman???
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Brother and sister, please!!! Again, this has nothing to do with Socialism!
This parable was the Lord´s way to say the reward to all that worked for Him will be the same: Heaven!
Verse 16 (the last will be first, and the first the last) message is that no matter how His followers worked for Him during their lifetime, eternal life (payment) will be equal and given to all. Take the thief on the cross, for example.
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No, it doesn't have to do with socialism per say, but the point I always took from it is that to begrudge a wages to another person is to neglect the blessing of your own wages.
I think posthuman only meant it in broad application to our attitudes towards people on assistance. When we begrudge people for getting good things, and ignore the good things we have because we're COMPARING, we expose the nature of our own hearts... soon we begrudge working, and before you know it WE'RE the ones coming in the afternoon, and in need of mercy and understanding.
I usually took the parable to be about attitudes, because even talk about heaven there's a sense of greater and lesser reward.
I hate socialism because I associate it with able-bodied parasites who refuse to work.
Yeah, I'm so sure you'd give away your shirt. I'll be sure to wait with bated breath on that one.
Unfortunately, Socialism (and Communism) is much about envy, in my opinion. All I hear is many people saying: "They have money, they should pay for me, because I have much less." or to envy other´s property, etc. Our brother posthuman and I agree on one thing: people in need should be help. But only on this.
I often hear envy the other way around. "They have more and yet they've worked less, they should work more like me if they want nice things."
From either side of this debate, you can appeal to fairness, depending on perspective (see my homeless people example). Envy can be on either side.
NOOOOOO, the UNCOMFORTABLE Scriptures! The Scriptures that challenge us to give of ourselves, EVEN at the point of a gun, instead of the great ones that makes us feel superior in how hard we work compared to others! The horror, no, the nerve!
(sorry, just had to. I mean, no you didn't!
And that's what differentiates you and me. I'd take part in community service by neutralizing the gunman with superior firepower. Oh the shame of protecting others. Oh the shame of it all!
do you want it?
haha and you know what? the truth is -- i did give away my shirt yesterday! i had one custom-made with this symbol i made on the front:
and Romans 6:11 and 1 Thessalonians 5:18 on the back.
someone said they liked it yesterday, so i gave it to him
why do you hate me, btw?
& is it safe to assume you would punch someone in the face who took your shirt, and take your shirt back, then punch them again? because that's kinda the vibe i get from you.
seriously though, goodnight. i have to go to work, so i can buy more shirts, and given them away to more people without asking if they have jobs or not
i think the difference is that you want to shoot people, and jamie wants to help them.
but that's just my opinion, based on the things you two generally say
I'm not sure you understood what I said, and I'm not sure I explaining it would be useful.
do you want it?
haha and you know what? the truth is -- i did give away my shirt yesterday! i had one custom-made with this symbol i made on the front:
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and Romans 6:11 and 1 Thessalonians 5:18 on the back.
someone said they liked it yesterday, so i gave it to him
why do you hate me, btw?
& is it safe to assume you would punch someone in the face who took your shirt, and take your shirt back, then punch them again? because that's kinda the vibe i get from you.
seriously though, goodnight. i have to go to work, so i can buy more shirts, and given them away to more people without asking if they have jobs or not
You gave it away at gun point after being robbed of other belongings? Yeah, right.
I've been looking at definitions of "socialism" and I don't think Canada qualifies, any more than the USA.
"Simple Definition of socialism
"Simple Definition of socialism
- : a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies"
I was stunned to read Jamie2630's post on page 8, and to remember how totally unfair the US medical insurance system is.
In Canada, you can go to any doctor or hospital in Canada. There is no such thing as having to only go the doctor or hospital that is in cahoots with the insurance company.
So I believe our universal health care is much freer and helpful than the current American system. Sadly, it seems that is the Americans themselves who think, in some twisted way, that private insurance and hospitals are more "free" and "capitalistic" than our Canadian system, where everyone is covered, and we have free choice of who is going to treat us.
I had my foot reconstructed in 2009. I heard bad reports about the orthopaedic surgeons in my home town. So I went to a doctor who was 3 hours away. I am confident I got a much better job, and considering the trouble I had afterwards, because my bones were so rotten from the RA damage, I probably would have lost my foot it I had gone to the doctors at home.
And of course, the surgery, the OT, PT and follow up was all free! In Alberta, there were not even user premiums to be on Health Care.
But as far as business, we are moving farther and farther away from government rules and laws on business. We had a wheat board, and a milk board, and all farmers had to go through those systems to sell their grain and milk. And it wasn't about socialism, but regionalism, as the east (Read: Ontario and Quebec) who were benefiting from higher commodity prices. Fortunately those are gone, but the price of milk is still too high compared to the US. Although my son, a CA said that it costs $1 million to by a license to have a farm producing dairy products. Now that is really interfering with the market, I agree!
i think the difference is that you want to shoot people, and jamie wants to help them.
but that's just my opinion, based on the things you two generally say
Thank you posthuman. I respect so much of what you write, it comes off very humble to me.
For anyone who is curious, the context was giving to the needy by gov force, and that was what I was referencing. Paul used the term "sword" I used "gun" because that's what the gov uses now. lol
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the one actual human government that God set up in the bible had an economic system where the poor were provided for...and these provisions for the poor were the responsibility of those who had more wealth...
however i would be reluctant to lump the israelite socioeconomic system in with modern socialism...
for one thing the poor people usually were still required to do at least something to receive their 'entitlements'...such as having to glean in a field at harvest time...
so this was not a system that simply provided a 'welfare check' for the poor to collect other people's money...it is more like the system was geared towards making up for the deficiency in opportunity that they had as a result of being poor... the system leveled the playing field in terms of opportunity rather than in terms of outcome...allowing a poor person to be productive in their labors in spite of a lack of land and capital...
another interesting factor is that the wealthy did benefit from this relationship...in ways that you might not realize if you aren't familiar with some facts of agriculture and plant biology... for example the poor people were allowed to go into a vineyard to eat the grapes...it turns out that this actually would have increased the productivity of the vineyard for the wealthy person...because vining plants such as grapes will actually produce more fruit in response to regular picking... in this way the poor people were performing a service and acting as free vine tenders as they were getting their free grapes...
however i would be reluctant to lump the israelite socioeconomic system in with modern socialism...
for one thing the poor people usually were still required to do at least something to receive their 'entitlements'...such as having to glean in a field at harvest time...
so this was not a system that simply provided a 'welfare check' for the poor to collect other people's money...it is more like the system was geared towards making up for the deficiency in opportunity that they had as a result of being poor... the system leveled the playing field in terms of opportunity rather than in terms of outcome...allowing a poor person to be productive in their labors in spite of a lack of land and capital...
another interesting factor is that the wealthy did benefit from this relationship...in ways that you might not realize if you aren't familiar with some facts of agriculture and plant biology... for example the poor people were allowed to go into a vineyard to eat the grapes...it turns out that this actually would have increased the productivity of the vineyard for the wealthy person...because vining plants such as grapes will actually produce more fruit in response to regular picking... in this way the poor people were performing a service and acting as free vine tenders as they were getting their free grapes...
U.S. government has already been doing some of that for many years now, that's why even Socialists like Bernie Sanders don't have to advocate those things, they're already in place.
The U.S. has been a Socialist welfare state ever since the progressive income tax started in 1933, and the unconstitutional Federal Reserve Act was passed giving the U.S. economy over to the world bankers who control our monetary policy WITHOUT ANY CONGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT! Even ex-Fed chairman of the board Alan Greenspan said in 1966 doing that kind of thing was a program to redistribute wealth. (Alan Greenspan, Gold and Economic Freedom (1966))