GOP Presidential Nomination

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GodIsSalvation said:
Lol excellent I shall agree to this. So then seeing as Trump and Cruz are ineligible are you prepared to embrace Hillary Rodham Clinton the first female President of the United States of America?

Btw, you may want to check into your boy Ted Cruz's connections and affairs with Trump's number one media mouthpiece, Katrina Pierson. Enjoy.
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I'll believe the rumors when they are well-substantiated. Rule #1 of politics- always expect accusations of infidelity.

Trump and Cruz are both eligible to be President. I do not know what scholarship you are reading that would indicate to the contrary. Thank God I was not a birther at any point in my political existence.
 
crossnote said:
All I can say is come July 22nd let the healing begin as we focus on who the real opposition is.
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Amen. Regardless of what happens, the Republican Nominee ought to be supported this cycle. Unless it is a brokered convention and the GOP slides into the Inferno.

That said, if the Republican nominee tries to build a new establishment, I will fight his element of the party in the years to come.

Regardless of the result, my status on the RNC blacklist will likely be voided. Oh the fun we have.
 
I went to a Trump rally today.

Observations:

3 displays of physical violence. 2 initiated by event attendees. 1 initiated by a protester.

The preponderance of aggression though was committed by the Left. A lot of moralistic shouting aimed at making themselves feel better. By and large, Trump supporters were cordial. The few who have been driven to the brink of violence though were not shy.

The protesters who made it in to the event seemed to have been allowed entrance. Due to the fact that Trump said nothing of substance until the last 25 minutes (or arguably at all), it seemed to me that he got his message out there. No way of knowing for sure, but the "protesting" parts seemed to have been divided neatly into segments at the beginning. It's not uncommon for these things to be engineered to one degree or another. Either the protesters are unwittingly playing a part in a semi-choreographed routine (smile, you're on candid camera) or, the Trump campaign hired actors.

If I hear another hand-beaten drum outside the context of tribal rituals, I will flip.

Like I said, Trump said little of substance, but remained true to his message- we are not winning anymore and he has the right stuff to help us win, not the politicians.

In fact, the message has been so well-driven home that it seemed Trump's struggle with the Protesters was the main event. Interesting stuff.


A couple of funny exchanges.

Protester: You're a Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Me: I'm a Jew.

Protester: Sorry.


And the other one-

Illegal Alien (Mexican): I hate black people, how about you? (Expecting a yes from a white man with a slightly Southern accent).

Me: Actually, my city back home is about 50 percent black, 50 percent white. We all get along pretty well. Do business together. Watch each other's children...Why do you hate Trump?

Illegal Alien: He hates people from Mexico.
 
Desdichado said:
I went to a Trump rally today.

Observations:

3 displays of physical violence. 2 initiated by event attendees. 1 initiated by a protester.

The preponderance of aggression though was committed by the Left. A lot of moralistic shouting aimed at making themselves feel better. By and large, Trump supporters were cordial. The few who have been driven to the brink of violence though were not shy.

The protesters who made it in to the event seemed to have been allowed entrance. Due to the fact that Trump said nothing of substance until the last 25 minutes (or arguably at all), it seemed to me that he got his message out there. No way of knowing for sure, but the "protesting" parts seemed to have been divided neatly into segments at the beginning. It's not uncommon for these things to be engineered to one degree or another. Either the protesters are unwittingly playing a part in a semi-choreographed routine (smile, you're on candid camera) or, the Trump campaign hired actors.

If I hear another hand-beaten drum outside the context of tribal rituals, I will flip.

Like I said, Trump said little of substance, but remained true to his message- we are not winning anymore and he has the right stuff to help us win, not the politicians.

In fact, the message has been so well-driven home that it seemed Trump's struggle with the Protesters was the main event. Interesting stuff.


A couple of funny exchanges.

Protester: You're a Grand Wizard of the KKK.

Me: I'm a Jew.

Protester: Sorry.


And the other one-

Illegal Alien (Mexican): I hate black people, how about you? (Expecting a yes from a white man with a slightly Southern accent).

Me: Actually, my city back home is about 50 percent black, 50 percent white. We all get along pretty well. Do business together. Watch each other's children...Why do you hate Trump?

Illegal Alien: He hates people from Mexico.
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Gotta love the peacenickin dope smokers. As brain dead as some of them are, at least most of them don't throw their congas at people. Lol
 
Sirk said:
It's those meth heads you gotta watch out for. Did you notice anyone taking anything apart and not being able to put it back together? Lol
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You mean other than the hopes and dreams their parents had for their lives?

No.
 
I had to leave some commentary on this topic- we're headed to a brokered convention, folks. Given the current delegate math, I do not think Trump will be able to attain a majority of delegates to win outright. Ted Cruz will not be able to catch up unless Donald Trump quits the race or completely falls apart (not going to happen).

So! We're headed to a contested convention. Here are a few thoughts on the matter.

1. Rules are Rules. If Donald Trump doesn't meet the quota, it will not be the result of backstabbing, but the consequence of his campaign's lack of ability to convince a majority of Republican voters he is the man for the job.

2. That is, unless the GOP changes the rules in order to bring one of their pets out. That is would undermine the legitimacy of the process and a factor that makes our party separate and distinct from the Democratic system of "super delegates."

3. If the rumored rule changes do not take place, Cruz would be favored to win the nomination at convention. He has a clear advantage with the activist base.

4. That isn't to say Trump couldn't win. Those wringing their hands over "party insiders" choosing the nominee must understand that many of these delegates are elected/appointed by their local GOP units. State parties and the RNC hate trump, but a decent portion of delegates are from outside that system. These people are more likely to favor Cruz, however.

5. Overall, a contested convention is a bad thing in regards to the general and the overall future of the GOP. While Trump will likely fail in reaching the required number of delegates, he has maintained a strong plurality, largely new to the political process. Alienating them would be a bad idea for the GOP, but then the GOP should have saw the Trump voter coming down the line ten years ago. They are now paying for their inflexibility and lack of follow-through.

6. There is also the chance that a contested convention will be seen as a predictably messy end to a brutal cycle. Regardless of a Trump nomination or a contested convention, Hillary is the real enemy and she is poised to put the final nail in the coffin of a great nation.
 
Desdichado said:
I had to leave some commentary on this topic- we're headed to a brokered convention, folks. Given the current delegate math, I do not think Trump will be able to attain a majority of delegates to win outright. Ted Cruz will not be able to catch up unless Donald Trump quits the race or completely falls apart (not going to happen).

So! We're headed to a contested convention. Here are a few thoughts on the matter.

1. Rules are Rules. If Donald Trump doesn't meet the quota, it will not be the result of backstabbing, but the consequence of his campaign's lack of ability to convince a majority of Republican voters he is the man for the job.

2. That is, unless the GOP changes the rules in order to bring one of their pets out. That is would undermine the legitimacy of the process and a factor that makes our party separate and distinct from the Democratic system of "super delegates."

3. If the rumored rule changes do not take place, Cruz would be favored to win the nomination at convention. He has a clear advantage with the activist base.

4. That isn't to say Trump couldn't win. Those wringing their hands over "party insiders" choosing the nominee must understand that many of these delegates are elected/appointed by their local GOP units. State parties and the RNC hate trump, but a decent portion of delegates are from outside that system. These people are more likely to favor Cruz, however.

5. Overall, a contested convention is a bad thing in regards to the general and the overall future of the GOP. While Trump will likely fail in reaching the required number of delegates, he has maintained a strong plurality, largely new to the political process. Alienating them would be a bad idea for the GOP, but then the GOP should have saw the Trump voter coming down the line ten years ago. They are now paying for their inflexibility and lack of follow-through.

6. There is also the chance that a contested convention will be seen as a predictably messy end to a brutal cycle. Regardless of a Trump nomination or a contested convention, Hillary is the real enemy and she is poised to put the final nail in the coffin of a great nation.
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i agree that a brokered convention is not some underhanded political tactic...it would simply be the result of trump the legendary deal maker being unable to 'seal the deal' with the average republican voter... if the majority of republican voters -didn't vote for you- then you can't claim that you are entitled to the republican nomination...

however i disagree with your supposition that a contested convention would be bad for the republican party...at least as compared with an uncontested coronation of donald trump as the republican standard bearer...i think that would be by far the worse scenario for the republican party...

and quite frankly trump's supporters deserve to be alienated from a conservative political party...and i don't think most of them are committed republicans who have voted in the past several elections anyway...
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
i agree that a brokered convention is not some underhanded political tactic...it would simply be the result of trump the legendary deal maker being unable to 'seal the deal' with the average republican voter... if the majority of republican voters -didn't vote for you- then you can't claim that you are entitled to the republican nomination...

however i disagree with your supposition that a contested convention would be bad for the republican party...at least as compared with an uncontested coronation of donald trump as the republican standard bearer...i think that would be by far the worse scenario for the republican party...

and quite frankly trump's supporters deserve to be alienated from a conservative political party...and i don't think most of them are committed republicans who have voted in the past several elections anyway...
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Well...I've voted in every election since the 90's. Granted I haven't always voted for local republican candidates but I have on the national stage. It's okay, you don't need to alienate me from the republicans. They've already done a good job of that by licking democrat boot after virtually every single promise they made me.
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
i agree that a brokered convention is not some underhanded political tactic...it would simply be the result of trump the legendary deal maker being unable to 'seal the deal' with the average republican voter... if the majority of republican voters -didn't vote for you- then you can't claim that you are entitled to the republican nomination...

however i disagree with your supposition that a contested convention would be bad for the republican party...at least as compared with an uncontested coronation of donald trump as the republican standard bearer...i think that would be by far the worse scenario for the republican party...

and quite frankly trump's supporters deserve to be alienated from a conservative political party...and i don't think most of them are committed republicans who have voted in the past several elections anyway...
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I would urge you to go to a Donald Trump rally and meet some of his supporters first-hand. They are apparently not what or who you think they are and definitely worth retaining as an active component of the GOP should it exist by the time this fiasco has passed us by.

Shrinking the party even further at this point is a dangerous idea.
 
I'm sorry...
I had to post this somewhere
I am just amused at this Mickey Mouse establishment
I don't follow politics...
But I just heard a brief clip on the news
President Obama asks the public...
" What is going on in America?"

Ummm...shouldn't you know? DOH! lol
This is not funny...
Praying here...praying praying praying! :)
 
Ted Cruz won Wisconsin this evening.

The contested convention now is all but a certainty. Ted Cruz will have a decisive advantage on the first ballot but, after that, it's literally anyone's game.

CC Republicans over 35- if it goes to the second ballot, you have a shot!
 
Reince and gang have been a little cute lately. "Of course we will not be spoon-feeding ya'll a nominee."
"Of course the people will decide."

It seems as though things keep coming out about Trump and Cruz, but things are really rather tame between the two of them (and of course, why drop anything on the eve of New York. nothing to gain). All of this sniping appears to be from third party sources.

Color me suspicious or a conspiracy weaver, but I wonder if someone outside the two groups is looking to give them both a good wounding. Either the Democrats are seeking to hit both of the likely nominees or the Republican establishment in a last-ditch effort to wound both candidates and offer a more palatable alternative.
 
Well, I was wrong about many things this cycle, but I am happy to say that I was not wrong about Trump by the time August rolled around.

Like most, I dismissed the man's candidacy as a joke. Surely the most qualified field of candidates since the Founding Era of our country would be able to buttress the advance of a reality show star with a terrible comb-over and skin like that guy from the old Ritz cracker commercials.

By August, I had wisened up, however. Believing that it is possible for him to win. I came to this conclusion while I was perusing a Barnes and Noble in Meridian, Mississippi. A friend of mine and I had mentioned Trump in a conversation and this older lady popped out of nowhere to talk with us about how much she adored him. By that point in time, I had weathered three presidential cycles as an...active observer. No candidate has generated this kind of excitement.

That's when I took him seriously and as the conservatives of the party lay writhing on the floor from the thorough beating they've undergone, I wish smarter and more influential conservatives than myself had seen what I saw.

But it was a tightrope to be sure. Bash Trump as a conservative and you would immediately get eviscerated like Rick Perry or Rand Paul. Lend credence to Trump like Ted Cruz and you survive today only to rue it tomorrow.

We can say the field was too crowded to let one person rise, but numbers prove that a one on one match wouldn't save anybody unless the angel of timing had a trick up her sleeve.

All of this said, Americans sense that the same-old, same-old will kill them. They are right. They also sense that they are losing the culture to the fascist grandsons of the flower children. Trump is, for better or worse, their chosen remedy.

I do not know what will happen from here on out. Perhaps the two American political parties will split in to four. Perhaps both parties will be contorted and polarized- the Democrats shifting farther Left while the Republicans embrace a more populist, not completely Euro-style brand. We will have to wait and see how things transpire. I'm both excited and slightly frightened of where we'll go from here.

Either way, this has been a good conversation and a great thread. The past year and a half or so have been a fun one. But all good things must come to an end. Thank you for reading and participating. What a cycle!
 
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