getting dates about a young earth

[Dan_473]

As a sequence of events, in epoch six, Gen 1 declares that the land animals were created before mankind, as thus…

reading gen 1 as a sequence, two things jumped seemed implied to me.

dry land appears before the sun, moon, and stars are made.

of the sun, moon, and stars, the sequence is sun first, then moon, then stars.

this would make the moon older than the stars.

 

[Dan_473]

Anyone who can read, can easily see that Job 38 follows the sequence prescribed in Gen1...

Epoch 1: The heavens and the earth are created:

Gen 1.1
Job 38.4 – 7





Epoch 1: The earth is covered in water:

Gen 1.2
Job 38.8



Epoch 1: The earth is covered in darkness:

Gen 1.2
Job 38.9


Etc, etc, etc...


Keep denying the word of God...

I agree that job matches gen up till about verse twelve.
If we say all of the job passage is sequential, then horses come before hawks.

 

[valiant]

reading gen 1 as a sequence, two things jumped seemed implied to me.

dry land appears before the sun, moon, and stars are made.

of the sun, moon, and stars, the sequence is sun first, then moon, then stars.

this would make the moon older than the stars.

yom 4 is when the lights ruled the day and the night. Not when they were created, which is open-ended. The Hebrew can mean HAD MADE

 

[Dan_473]

Observe the dietary commands in Gen 1, as thus…

And God created the man in His own image; in the image of God He created him. He created them male and female. And God blessed them; and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it, and rule over the fish of the seas, and over birds of the heavens, and over all beasts creeping on the earth. And God said, Behold, I have given you every plant seeding seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree in which is the fruit of a tree seeding seed; it shall be food for you.And to every beast of the earth, and to all birds of the heavens, and to every creeper on the earth which has in it a living soul, every green plant is for food. And it was so.(Gen 1.27 – 30)






In Gen 9, the dietary commands are altered, as thus…




And God blessed Noah and his sons. And He said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. And your fear and your dread shall be on all the animals of the earth, and on every bird of the heavens, on all that moves on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hands. Every creeping thing which is alive shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green plant. (Gen 9.1 – 3)




Clearly, after the flood, we can see that the diet for humanity changed to include both plants and animals.


But…where is the command for animal’s diet to change?


We know that we have carnivorous animals living today.

What gives?


The command to make a change doesn’t exist, for the simple fact that it didn’t need to be changed, as carnivorous animals existed from their creation, in addition to plant eating ones.

I think the difference is that gen 1 is about the heavens and the earth (everything), gen 9 is addressed to noah and his sons.

I would like for there to be a better answer, and maybe there is.

whatever answer is used, it has to deal with God giving plant-food to all the animals, not just some.


also, are you saying that from adam to after the flood, humans ate only plants?

 

[Dan_473]

A double-negative makes a positive.

it was a typo.

should read "some reasons why I think job 38 & 39 aren't about day six:"

 

[Dan_473]

Job 39 introduces man...

I don't think the latter part of 38 and all of 39 are sequential.

if humans have to be introduced somewhere, I think it's "Who has put wisdom in the innermost being
Or given understanding to the mind?"

 

[Dan_473]

The local dinos?

yes, the dinos that lived in the area where the garden would be planted... if 'animals of the field' means local animals, did adam name those?

 

[Dan_473]

Then they are all local.

Very, very weak argument from you...

if the animals are all local, then I think that would mean all the dinosaurs were local, too.

 

[Dan_473]

Adam lived on the order of tens of thousands of years ago....NOT tens of millions of years ago.

Come on....

as I read it, God forms all the birds of the air, brings them to adam, who names them.

mainstream science places the dates of some birds at about 100 million years ago.

 

[Dan_473]

Then show us your exegesis in lieu of your unreferenced opinion.

I think Dino's post is well-referenced. He cites three sources.

 

[Dan_473]

yom 4 is when the lights ruled the day and the night. Not when they were created, which is open-ended. The Hebrew can mean HAD MADE

I understood Bowman to be saying that gen 1 is sequential.

 

[valiant]

I understood Bowman to be saying that gen 1 is sequential.

LOL i'm telling you what it SAYS

 

[Bowman]

reading gen 1 as a sequence, two things jumped seemed implied to me.

dry land appears before the sun, moon, and stars are made.

of the sun, moon, and stars, the sequence is sun first, then moon, then stars.

this would make the moon older than the stars.

No.

You continue to ignore the frame of reference for the Gen 1 narrative.....which is established as the surface of the earth, in Gen 1.2.

 

[Bowman]

Bowman: 'The sky is blue.'

Dan_473: 'I think that relates to a young earth.'

 

[Dan_473]

LOL i'm telling you what it SAYS

if that's the case, then each part of gen 1 doesn't need to be read sequentially, imo.

 

[Dan_473]

No.

You continue to ignore the frame of reference for the Gen 1 narrative.....which is established as the surface of the earth, in Gen 1.2.

I don't see that the surface of the earth is the frame of reference for the entire story.

the sun, moon, and stars may not have appeared until day four, but on day four the story says they were made, and in the order of sun, moon, stars.

[assuming that everything happened sequentially, as presented in gen 1. I'm not sure if I subscribe to that idea or not.]

 

[Bowman]

I don't see that the surface of the earth is the frame of reference for the entire story.

The surface of the earth is the reference point.

You have been incorrectly viewing it from the cosmos...a common mistake for those who fail to study the narrative.

the sun, moon, and stars may not have appeared until day four, but on day four the story says they were made, and in the order of sun, moon, stars.

What's the Hebrew creation verb employed?

[assuming that everything happened sequentially, as presented in gen 1. I'm not sure if I subscribe to that idea or not.]

You're not a very confident person.

 

[Dan_473]

The surface of the earth is the reference point.

You have been incorrectly viewing it from the cosmos...a common mistake for those who fail to study the narrative.

I don't think the surface of the earth has to be the reference point, but it's not something I'm dogmatic about.

What's the Hebrew creation verb employed?

I don't know. the nouns are listed in the order of (greater) light, (lesser) light, stars.

You're not a very confident person.

about some things I'm very confident. about other things, I'm not.

 

[Bowman]

I don't think the surface of the earth has to be the reference point, but it's not something I'm dogmatic about.

God said that He was hovering over the surface of the earth in Gen 1.2.

You should believe Him.

I don't know. the nouns are listed in the order of (greater) light, (lesser) light, stars.

Nope.

 

[Dan_473]

God said that He was hovering over the surface of the earth in Gen 1.2.

You should believe Him.









Nope.

I don't see that God's spirit moving over the surface of the waters necessitates reading the story as having the surface of the earth as the frame of reference.