getting dates about a young earth

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Our Lord Jesus even showed this about Satan and his angels before Jesus was delivered up to die on the cross:

Matt 25:41
41 Then shall He say also unto them on the left hand, "Depart from Me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
KJV
 
Bowman said:
No.




The dinos you are referring to went extinct millions of years before Adam was created.

Homo sapiens sapiens date back to tens of thousands of years....not millions of years.
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yes, I think that is the issue.

mainstream science currently says dinos were gone millions of years before adam.

the story says that out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal of the field, and every bird of the sky, and brought them to adam to see what he would call them.

I can't think of a way to mesh those two ideas.

if anyone has a good solution, I'm interested.
 
Bryan-3208 said:
This is a good observation and one that I've been thinking about and leaning towards for some time now. In Matthew 13 the Lord said that the purpose of speaking in parables was so that those whom were not given the secrets of the kingdom would continue to live in ignorance. If God created the earth showing age right from the beginning then similiar to the parables, it would be a hindrance to the unelected scientists and thier cohorts who tried to find answers through their own efforts. Doesn't it make sense that God would shame the wise of this age by one upping them (creating a middle-aged earth) at their own game? Isn't this what Paul writes about in the epistle to the Corinthians?

Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!
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hello, Bryan-3208, and welcome to CC!

I agree with what you're saying.

to me, the "create the world already in motion" idea means that
science can be dealt with just as science
(I can watch a pbs program about a 100 million year old dinosaur)

and scripture can be read as God's revelation of the truth to us without trying to get them to match up.


does a scientist want to date the sun at billions of years? no problem.
another scientist dates it only at a million years? no problem.

does moses say that God worked six days, so humans should work six days? no problem.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Lol well that's obviously not true since death didn't enter the world until Adam ate of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

The more logical conclusion is the dating methods the atheists use are arbitrary and fraudulent.
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does the scripture say something about death entering the world through sin? it sounds familiar, but I'm not sure.
 
valiant said:
I've no objection to dinosaurs if they were alive at the time.
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since God forms every animal of the field, and every bird of the sky, and brings them to adam,
as part of the process of looking for a helper for him,
I think all of the dinos would've been alive at adam's time.
 
there is one other possibility with adam and the dinos.

God made the soil with dino bones already in it,
just as I think he made the soil with decaying plant and animal matter in it, before there were plants and animals.

the soil is made 'already in motion', ready to give nutrients to plants when God makes them.
 
Dan_473 said:
there is one other possibility with adam and the dinos.

God made the soil with dino bones already in it,
just as I think he made the soil with decaying plant and animal matter in it, before there were plants and animals.

the soil is made 'already in motion', ready to give nutrients to plants when God makes them.
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that would mean a prior creation, would it not?
 
tanakh said:
The problem with the Young earth idea is the literal reading of the creation passage in Genesis. The six days of creation could not be six literal days because the Sun Moon and Stars are created on the fourth day. It says they are to rule over day and night and separate light from darkness. That means for the first three days there could not be any literal days because the Sun Moon and Stars didn't exist. We measure time by the movement of the heavenly bodies God exists outside of time because he created it.
The process of creation is more like six stages than actual twenty four hour days. The creation story is written as it is because of our limited understanding of God. Most of the Bible is written this way for the same reason.
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and this is possible, the sun on the fourth day.

one issue then is that the 'dry ground' is older than the sun.

imo, putting the sun at stage four doesn't make the story match any better with mainstream science, if that's the goal.
 
ember said:
that would mean a prior creation, would it not?
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possibily, myself, I don't think so.

another way to look at it is,
did God make our sun as a loose cloud of hydrogen?
or, as a condensed ball of hydrogen, ready to start burning at that instant?
 
ember said:
how about all the other suns?

I tend to look at the big pic
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what s applicable to one is applicable to them all..

Did God make them ready to go. Or to evolve over billions or millions of years.
 
Dan_473 said:
possibily, myself, I don't think so.

another way to look at it is,
did God make our sun as a loose cloud of hydrogen?
or, as a condensed ball of hydrogen, ready to start burning at that instant?
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Another way to look at it is;

Who said the sun is made out of hydrogen?

For all we're told it's just made out of light.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Guess again. See that's the problem with the New Age Old Earth pagan religion, it is so heretical it pretty much not only would cast Genesis and history as a lie, but also key doctrinal points of Christianity.

Genesis 2:16-17

[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.


1 Corinthians 15:21-22


[SUP]21[/SUP]For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


Romans 5:12-15


[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
[SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
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Right on cue.

Unfortunately, for your position, these scriptures talk about spiritual death of humans.

Animal death most assuredly occurred BEFORE humans were even created.
 
Bowman said:
Unfortunately, for your position, these scriptures talk about spiritual death of humans. Animal death most assuredly occurred BEFORE humans were even created.
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Evidence? Your assertions are completely worthless without evidence; Scriptural preferably.
 
Bowman said:
Right on cue.

Unfortunately, for your position, these scriptures talk about spiritual death of humans.

Animal death most assuredly occurred BEFORE humans were even created.
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No, death is death. That's why all men have to die, for all men have sinned, but thanks to God by sending Jesus into the world all men may live.
 
Bowman said:
Right on cue.

Unfortunately, for your position, these scriptures talk about spiritual death of humans.

Animal death most assuredly occurred BEFORE humans were even created.
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You sure these scriptures talk about the spiritual death of humans? If that is so, why did the serpent reply to the woman (before she was named Eve) as such: "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil". Genesis 3:4-5
Does not sound like the serpent was referring to a spiritual death. Also, what is the difference between Genesis 2:17 and these verses?

"And when Aaron and his sons have made an end of covering the sanctuary, and all the vessels of the sanctuary, as the camp is to set forward; after that, the sons of Kohath shall come to bear it: but they shall not touch any holy thing, lest they die. These things are the burden of the sons of Kohath in the tabernacle of the congregation". Numbers 4:15

"And the Lord said unto Moses, Speak unto Aaron thy brother, that he come not at all times into the holy place within the vail before the mercy seat, which is upon the ark; that he die not: for I will appear in the cloud upon the mercy seat". Leviticus 16:2

"And he shall put the incense upon the fire before the Lord, that the cloud of the incense may cover the mercy seat that is upon the testimony, that he die not:". Leviticus 16:13

There are more passages in The Bible in which God instructs against doing things resulting in death; these are just a few.
 
If we can't believe God's Word and what He says in the first two chapters, concerning creation, how can we hope to accept any part of the Bible as truth? If a day means something else to God than it does to us, we have no hope of knowing what God means anywhere, especially in His Word. Call into question one part of the Bible (especially the foundational book of Genesis) and you call into question the rest.
 
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