getting dates about a young earth

[Word_Swordsman]

here's a thought about God & deception



I think everyone here has agreed that God formed adam out of the dust.
was God being deceptive when he gave adam 98.8% of the same genes as the chimpanzee sitting nearby?


a person looking at the evidence, who considers the bible religious myth, would say they are related, that they had a common ancestor maybe six million years earlier.


DNA: Comparing Humans and Chimps

It's 63% of chimp X-chromosome, 43% Y being similar to humans. There is no lineage, only some similarities.

 

[valiant]

It's 63% of chimp X-chromosome, 43% Y being similar to humans. There is no lineage, only some similarities.

try the octopus.

 

[Bookends]

I'm thinking, the truth is veiled from those who won't access God's revelation in the scriptures.

Not everything is revealed in scripture, but also in nature, these two can't conflict with each other. The problem we have is our interpretation.

Just for the record, I appreciate you and your demeanor in discussing such matters in which most Christians would label others as heretics or close to it who disagree with them on these non-essential things.

 

[Dan_473]

You keep trying to revert everything into being 24hrs....i.e. your YEC mindset keeps coming through.

However, you keep missing the obvious.

Please tell us, if each 'Day' is supposedly 24hrs in length....And each day was opened and closed....why is it that 'Day 7' was Opened but NEVER closed?

We are in the seventh 'day' right now.


I think we have a new Guinness world record for the longest 24hr day on record!!!

good question... my guess is that "By the seventh day God completed His work".

why do you say the seventh day was opened?

 

[Dan_473]

No, I don't think I'd agree with that. Perhaps God would reveal more those who diligently seek him.

I think maybe we do agree.

one group is people who diligently seek him.

another group is people who don't.

I think God will probably reveal more things to the first group.

 

[Dan_473]

The hope is the Gospel isn't it, which is revealed in the bible.

sure!

how about this?
"reading the bible, with a plain and literal approach when that seems to be the style of the passage,
teaches me about the Gospel,
which
gives me peace and joy in a troubled world."

 

[Dan_473]

God didn't command it, the spirit offered it's services of deception and God allowed it.

God says, "You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so."

this is in the form of a commandment to me.
I think the spirit offered it's services, God agreed and put it in the form of a command.

 

[Dan_473]

God created Adam, this I know. As for the details I don't know. God could have created Adam as an infant and nursed him till he could care for himself. "We" assume in the lack of details that Adam was made a full complete man from beginning. I certainly don't have a problem with either scenario.

As far as the sun, I think all the elements where created at the beginning and came together-formed over time. The sun isn't a living being depending on complex individual systems that are necessary for life. And I admit, it's an opinion. God could have thrown everything together at once if He wanted to.

strickly speaking, you're correct, the bible doesn't say.

so, honestly now...
God forming adam as an infant and nursing him till he could care for himself...
does that fit with the tone and theme of the story?

but adam being formed as an infant is still not the earliest possible form of a human... adam could have been formed as a single cell?

 

[Dan_473]

Evening to Morning is 12hrs in Hebrew....NOT 24hrs...

does this lend weight, then, to the days being 12 hours long?

God separates the light from the darkness, calls the light "day".

the sun rules over the day, which is 12 hours long... ?

 

[Dan_473]

As it is true your thinking needs straightening out. God's days are far larger than man's days (a day is with God as a thousand years).If you can't read exodus in that light then I am sorry for you. It isn't meaningless to me, and it isn't needed to retain the integrity of Scripture.

the Hebrews didn't have fixed times as we do because we are scientific,

a day as a thousand years, then also a thousand years as a day.

to me this means:

a thousand years to us passes like a day to God.

a day to us passes like a thousand years to God.


but to me, really, this just asks the question, Is genesis using "God" days, or "human" days?

 

[Dan_473]

It's 63% of chimp X-chromosome, 43% Y being similar to humans. There is no lineage, only some similarities.

from the American Museum of Natural History

DNA: Comparing Humans and Chimps

"Humans and chimps share a surprising 98.8 percent of their DNA."

however we understand the numbers, they led the curators there to write this

"Humans, chimps and bonobos descended from a single ancestor species that lived six or seven million years ago."

are they being deceived by God? or maybe, if they choose to treat the bible as myth, God veils the truth from them?

 

[Dan_473]

Not everything is revealed in scripture, but also in nature, these two can't conflict with each other. The problem we have is our interpretation.

true! now, is it possible for a correct interpretation of the scripture to conflict with an incorrect interpretation of data from nature?

which source shall we give primary importance to? (not a rhetorical question, there.)

Just for the record, I appreciate you and your demeanor in discussing such matters in which most Christians would label others as heretics or close to it who disagree with them on these non-essential things.

thank you, and I appreciate your attitude here as well.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

here's a thought about God & deception



I think everyone here has agreed that God formed adam out of the dust.
was God being deceptive when he gave adam 98.8% of the same genes as the chimpanzee sitting nearby?


a person looking at the evidence, who considers the bible religious myth, would say they are related, that they had a common ancestor maybe six million years earlier.


DNA: Comparing Humans and Chimps

It's 63% of chimp X-chromosome, 43% Y being similar to humans. There is no lineage, only some similarities, both made by God out of the same stuff on the same day.

 

[Bowman]

does this lend weight, then, to the days being 12 hours long?

God separates the light from the darkness, calls the light "day".

the sun rules over the day, which is 12 hours long... ?

It lends credence for 'day' to mean something other than the 24hrs that you want it to be...

 

[Bowman]

good question... my guess is that "By the seventh day God completed His work".

why do you say the seventh day was opened?

The sixth day was closed, and then the seventh day is mentioned.

Pretty simple.

And on the seventh day God completed His work which He had made. And He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had made. And God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because He rested from all His work on it, which God had created to make. (Gen 2.2 - 3)

 

[Bowman]

Clinic time...

Evening plus morning is more than 12 hours lol. Nighttime plus daytime is one day. It's really not too hard to figure out if you just take the Bible as it is written.

Biblical Hebrews have always maintained two evenings to each day.


This can be seen in scripture as thus…


And it shall be for you to keep until the fourteenth day of this month. And all the assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it between the two evenings (hā·‘ar·bā·yim). (Exo 12.6)


Where can we find this in Gen 1...?

Answer: Nowhere.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Re: Clinic time...

Biblical Hebrews have always maintained two evenings to each day.


This can be seen in scripture as thus…


And it shall be for you to keep until the fourteenth day of this month. And all the assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it between the two evenings (hā·‘ar·bā·yim). (Exo 12.6)


Where can we find this in Gen 1...?

Answer: Nowhere.

Think you got a wrong translation there.

Exodus 12:6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

As for Genesis, it says pretty clearly the evening and the morning the first day, the evening and the morning the second day, etc. What that means is in one day God did what he said he did. It's not hard to figure out, it says it pretty clearly. First page stuff even.

 

[Bowman]

Re: You struck out....

There is no special revelation or private interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20

[SUP]20 [/SUP]Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Special Revelation refers to scripture, itself.

You should have known this...

Actually it was not proven, they showed a fake picture and claim that is somehow proof of Einstein's Relativity fantasy. That's not proof at all. It's the typical modus operandi of old earth mythologists and new age heretics. They show some fabricated images and theoretical models and claim this is somehow proof of their absurd fantasies. It's not proof, it's just more hoaxes.

Proof would be like historical accounts, tangible artifacts, etc. such as the Bible which implies that the whole of creation is only a few thousand years old.

Your smart phone.

It works because of Einstein's Relativity.

Owned.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Re: You struck out....

Special Revelation refers to scripture, itself.

You should have known this...





Your smart phone.

It works because of Einstein's Relativity.

Owned.

Rofl, joke is on you. I don't have a smartphone . Too bad for Einstein his fantasy is still only a theory and that it shall remain because it is a fantasy that depends on other fantasies. But I suppose he won't mind seeing as the dead thinketh no more.

 

[Bowman]

Re: Clinic time...

Think you got a wrong translation there.

Exodus 12:6

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.

The OT was written in Hebrew....NOT English!

The word in question is hā·‘ar·bā·yim, and it is plural.

Study up...

As for Genesis, it says pretty clearly the evening and the morning the first day, the evening and the morning the second day, etc. What that means is in one day God did what he said he did. It's not hard to figure out, it says it pretty clearly. First page stuff even.

Not even in English....much less in the Hebrew.