getting dates about a young earth

[Bookends]

Here you go:

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On the big bang (aprox.13 mins in):
1st, evolutionist wanted to first disprove the big bang, because the big bang demonstrates the creation had a beginning.
2nd, the bible supports the big bang, God created that's your "big bang", God spoke it into existence.

3rd, Dr. Hartnett admits his ideas about creation and how the light got here quickly is a theory. And I admit an interesting one. However, I also believe the bible leaves room for an old creation. I don't believe the bible strongly supports either YEC or OEC nor denies them either.

Thanks for the video Tintin, you know I love and respect you brother...I will watch the rest and go to bed. God bless.

 

[Dino246]

Planets form via accretion.

Debunked. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gr8Az3QQZdI, between minutes 7:00 and 9:00 (roughly).

First the speaker (Spike Psarris, ex-NASA) explains the nebula theory, of which planetary accretion is part, then he says explains why accretion doesn't work... impacts would break the clumps apart, and gravity would not be strong enough to hold them together until the accretions were past a significant size. The video is well worth watching in its entirety.

 

[Tintin]

On the big bang (aprox.13 mins in):
1st, evolutionist wanted to first disprove the big bang, because the big bang demonstrates the creation had a beginning.
2nd, the bible supports the big bang, God created that's your "big bang", God spoke it into existence.

3rd, Dr. Hartnett admits his ideas about creation and how the light got here quickly is a theory. And I admit an interesting one. However, I also believe the bible leaves room for an old creation. I don't believe the bible strongly supports either YEC or OEC nor denies them either.

Thanks for the video Tintin, you know I love and respect you brother...I will watch the rest and go to bed. God bless.

Well, yes. He's a PhD scientist with biblical creation beliefs. Thirdly, of course it's a theory. Cosmology is pretty much a smorgasboard of theories. But Harnett's theory is a fascinating possibility. Secondly, that's a very loose understanding of the Big Bang to say God speaking it into existence supports the Big Bang. Also, the current theory has many, many problems and evolutionists are clambering for solutions to no avail. Firstly, you're absolutely right. Evolutionists had issues with the Belgian priest/astronomer/professor of physics for proposing the theory. You can believe in old creation all you like as long as it doesn't affect your faith. Thanks for sharing your comments. God bless you too, brother.

 

[know1]

It may be obvious to you, but not to others. And it may be obvious to others that Genesis 1 and 2 are part of day 1. My point it's not obvious, if it was we wouldn't be having a debate about this.

Also, How do you know Hell is at the center of the earth? Where in the bible does it obviously say this?

If verses one and two were in the same day then God created a mess in verse one and started working on that mess in verse two. As the bible clearly shows in verse two, the earth was already there, only in a messed up state.

How do I know hell is in the center of the earth?

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

First, the bible always mentions hell as being down, as in descending. That would put it somewhere in the earth.
Then Jesus said He would be with the thief in paradises.
And where did He also say He was going to be for three days and nights?
In the heart of the earth. Heart means, center.
So then, where was paradise?
In the center of the earth.
However, when Jesus told the story of the rich man and Lazarus, He said the rich man was in hell and also mentioned that there was a big gulf in between hell and where they were. Apparently, there were at least three large cavities in the earth.
So if paradise is in the center of the earth and hell somewhere down in the earth yet almost bordering paradise, I surmise hell is in the center of the earth.
After Jesus rose from the dead, and the dead ascended with Him. After the righteous left paradise, hell appears to have enlarged itself, possibly taking over where paradise.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

1. Yes.
2. MOST dinosaurs died in the Flood.

yes your right,, There are some around even today

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I hope you can appreciate how I held myself back from commenting on the "not reading things into passages" part.

I hope you can appreciate I did not read anything into the passage, I just added that it was possible..

YTou have to look at both perspectives, and agree either may be right, it is when we have something set in stone, and say someone else is wrong.. When the passage does not say what they are saying, that we get ourselves in trouble.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Planets form via accretion.

Not only is your science poor...but your scriptural example proves my point....not your YEC worldview...





Made....or created?

Big difference...








An ALREADY formed sun.

Planets are merely wandering stars. Earth is not a planet, earth is an earth.

Accretion disks are just a new ager old earth mythology/theory that has never been proven and can never be proven. The earth, sun, moon, and stars were spoken into existence by God, and that is how they were made/created.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If verses one and two were in the same day then God created a mess in verse one and started working on that mess in verse two. As the bible clearly shows in verse two, the earth was already there, only in a messed up state.

How do I know hell is in the center of the earth?

Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Luk 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

Luk 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

Isa 5:14 Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it.

First, the bible always mentions hell as being down, as in descending. That would put it somewhere in the earth.
Then Jesus said He would be with the thief in paradises.
And where did He also say He was going to be for three days and nights?
In the heart of the earth. Heart means, center.
So then, where was paradise?
In the center of the earth.
However, when Jesus told the story of the rich man and Lazarus, He said the rich man was in hell and also mentioned that there was a big gulf in between hell and where they were. Apparently, there were at least three large cavities in the earth.
So if paradise is in the center of the earth and hell somewhere down in the earth yet almost bordering paradise, I surmise hell is in the center of the earth.
After Jesus rose from the dead, and the dead ascended with Him. After the righteous left paradise, hell appears to have enlarged itself, possibly taking over where paradise.

1.. Vs 1 and two could be just the heavens and earth in its original state it had to start somewhere, Look how complex the universe is, and even earth, Give God some credit it had to start somewhere.

2. This earth will be destroyed,, Hades may be in the center.. Hell is not, because it would be destroyed with the earth.

 

[Dan_473]

How can you have alternation of evening and morning if the earth is not already revolving about its axis while orbiting an already formed sun?

good point... as I read it, first God makes light, and separates it from the darkness. God calls the light Day, darkness Night.

the moving from Day to Night produces the evening, and so on.

how exactly that works without the sun, I don't know... it's the best explanation I can think of, given the "let there be lights" of day four.




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but I can consider that the sun was made earlier, "in the beginning",

then becomes visible on day four.


so while pondering, this came up to me.
"day" can be literal (usually called a 24-hour day) or figurative, as in "the day of the Lord".

I think the sun governs the literal day,
because saying the sun governs "the day of the Lord" would seem strange to me.

when the sun starts ruling the day in day four, this leads me to believe "day" is used literally in the passage.

 

[Dan_473]

You always were one.

You're not fooling anyone...

I don't think I was trying to fool anyone.

I disagree that I was always a yec, but it's not a thing I'd want to spend a lot of time disputing.

 

[know1]

1.. Vs 1 and two could be just the heavens and earth in its original state it had to start somewhere, Look how complex the universe is, and even earth, Give God some credit it had to start somewhere.

2. This earth will be destroyed,, Hades may be in the center.. Hell is not, because it would be destroyed with the earth.

!. It could have but I don't see God doing things that way.
The earth was made of things which do not appear. There's no reason for it to start out in a chaotic state. When God makes things, it's beautiful and good, not a mess. Even as God made the earth beautiful again after it was destroyed by a flood because of sin, i think He did the same with the earth before Adam.

2. Hence the lake of fire. And the destruction of earth I believe is only to recreate something beautiful again.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

!. It could have but I don't see God doing things that way.
The earth was made of things which do not appear. There's no reason for it to start out in a chaotic state. When God makes things, it's beautiful and good, not a mess. Even as God made the earth beautiful again after it was destroyed by a flood because of sin, i think He did the same with the earth before Adam.

2. Hence the lake of fire. And the destruction of earth I believe is only to recreate something beautiful again.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

I used to think that too..

I have since changed,

Vs 1 and 2 is not a mess, It is the beginning of a massive creation event which took 7 days, in whcih God created the heavens and the earth and everything within them..

Now tell me that God is not all powerful

 

[Bowman]

Planets are merely wandering stars. Earth is not a planet, earth is an earth.

Wrong.

Earth is a planet that was formed via accretion around an already formed star.

Accretion disks are just a new ager old earth mythology/theory that has never been proven and can never be proven. The earth, sun, moon, and stars were spoken into existence by God, and that is how they were made/created.

Your knowledge of science, and of scripture, is absolutely abysmal...

 

[Bowman]

good point... as I read it, first God makes light, and separates it from the darkness. God calls the light Day, darkness Night.

the moving from Day to Night produces the evening, and so on.

how exactly that works without the sun, I don't know... it's the best explanation I can think of, given the "let there be lights" of day four.




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but I can consider that the sun was made earlier, "in the beginning",

then becomes visible on day four.


so while pondering, this came up to me.
"day" can be literal (usually called a 24-hour day) or figurative, as in "the day of the Lord".

I think the sun governs the literal day,
because saying the sun governs "the day of the Lord" would seem strange to me.

when the sun starts ruling the day in day four, this leads me to believe "day" is used literally in the passage.

Our sun was created in Gen 1.1, along with the entire Universe.

 

[GodIsSalvation]

Wrong.

Earth is a planet that was formed via accretion around an already formed star.





Your knowledge of science, and of scripture, is absolutely abysmal...

Nay, word planet literally means wandering star. Earth is not a planet, earth is an earth. The sun is not a star, the sun is a sun. Formation by accretion has cannot be proven, it is a new age fantasy created by the atheists and old earth mythologists.

 

[Dan_473]

The study of astrology might render a different perspective. For the YEC, it's hard to explain how we can witness the death of a star (black hole) that is billions of light years away. If the God's creation is only 6000 to a 10000 years old, then God did create these things with age, and with light in transit as if it had no beginning. If we can clearly see the attributes of God by observing His creation then IMHO the things that look old or are billions of light years away can't be new, for God is not a deceiver.

The observance of a birth of a star seems to demonstrate that light of that event couldn't have been created fully in its translated state. For the reason that the birth of the star witnessed took millions of light years to get here, but yet if the light of that event was relatively new we shouldn't be able to see that event, unless a vast expansion of the universe took place in which the observed evidence denounces.

I'm inclined to say that the creation is largely a mystery of God and Genesis wasn't meant to tell the whole story.

I used to think the distances of stars was impossible to fit with 6,000 years. but then I read that God stretched out the heavens.
maybe that's poetry... to me, it at least raises the possibility that it's literal.




I agree that God is not a deceiver, at the same time deception in some sense does come from God.

in 1 kings 22, the prophet Micaiah says the Lord put a deceiving spirit in the other prophets.



to me, it doesn't seem deceptive to create the stars with their light already on the way, shining on the fourth day.
if God then gives revelation saying what he did, no one needs to be decieved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I used to think the distances of stars was impossible to fit with 6,000 years. but then I read that God stretched out the heavens.
maybe that's poetry... to me, it at least raises the possibility that it's literal.




I agree that God is not a deceiver, at the same time deception in some sense does come from God.

in 1 kings 22, the prophet Micaiah says the Lord put a deceiving spirit in the other prophets.



to me, it doesn't seem deceptive to create the stars with their light already on the way, shining on the fourth day.
if God then gives revelation saying what he did, no one needs to be decieved.

what good would the heaven and stars be if God created them, and they would not show their light for a few thousand, maybe million years.. They would be quite useless in their purpose..

it would be like making a car without wheels..

 

[Dan_473]

Our sun was created in Gen 1.1, along with the entire Universe.

plzzzz talk about what in the scriptures leads you to say that, if you're interested.
I'm interested in hearing.

 

[Dan_473]

what good would the heaven and stars be if God created them, and they would not show their light for a few thousand, maybe million years.. They would be quite useless in their purpose..

it would be like making a car without wheels..

If God made a car, I think he would make it with wheels.


I think when God made adam, whether newborn or adult, he made him with a fully functional heart and lungs, ready to start working as soon as God breathed into him.

so it seems reasonable that when God made the sun, he made it with hydrogen atoms poised and ready to fuse, so that it would shine as soon as he said "Go" (so to speak).

 

[eternally-gratefull]

If God made a car, I think he would make it with wheels.


I think when God made adam, whether newborn or adult, he made him with a fully functional heart and lungs, ready to start working as soon as God breathed into him.

so it seems reasonable that when God made the sun, he made it with hydrogen atoms poised and ready to fuse, so that it would shine as soon as he said "Go" (so to speak).

Same goes with the stars and heavenly lights. God said he created them to be for signs and seasons.. Why would he create them for this purpose and not have their light appear on the day he created them. for mankind's benefit..