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Ok I got it. The entire Tribulation is God's wrath, right?

Yes sir, that is correct. To get a better understanding of the severity of God's wrath, I would suggest that you do a study on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. There are only two place that specify the percentage of fatalities during God's wrath, one being at the 4th seal where a third of the earth's immediate population is killed. And the other is mentioned at the 6th trumpet where a third of the earth's inhabitants are killed. Both of these combined and based on the current population of 7 billion, the fatalities would equal 4.4 billion and that is not including trumpets 1, 2 and 3 nor does it include the bowl judgments. Regarding this time period Jesus said that it would be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again and if those days had not been shortened, no one would be left alive on the earth. That is how bad God's wrath is going to be and that in addition to those saints that are killed during the beasts reign.
 
If the Great Tribulation begins at the second half of the seven years, then how do you explain Revelation 7:13-14?

"After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands."

"Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The scriptures above are in reference to those referred to as "the great tribulation saints." These will be those who become believers after the church has been removed and will be caught during the time of God's wrath. They will be made up of those who will have claimed to be in Christ, but will have been sowing to the sinful nature and will not be gathered by the Lord, because they were not watching and ready. This group will also be made up of those who become believers after the church has been removed. I give you a challenge: go through Revelation chapters 1 through 3 and count how many times you see the word "church(s)." At the same time, count how many times you see the word "Saints" in those same chapters. Once you've done that, starting at Revelation chapter 4 through 18, count the number of times that the word "church" appears" and also count the number of times that the word "Saints" appears in those same chapters and then present your findings.
 
people use the word rapture, it is not in the bible.

now after Christ starts his return with a trump

then are we resurected when everyone sees.

we believe the same thing,

you call it a rapture, i call it a resurecation,

so says my bible:)

Christ starts his return with a Trump? Is it Donald?lol
 
O.K. I'm not a false teacher. I'm not any teacher! It's just what I've been told about these things. They seemed to make sense to me, but I must bow out on verse 21 and admit I was wrong.

Once the bride/bride groom dimension enters the picture,everything changes.

The 10 virgin parable,mat 25

BTW,blessings on you for not letting man box you in.
 
The scriptures above are in reference to those referred to as "the great tribulation saints." These will be those who become believers after the church has been removed and will be caught during the time of God's wrath. They will be made up of those who will have claimed to be in Christ, but will have been sowing to the sinful nature and will not be gathered by the Lord, because they were not watching and ready. This group will also be made up of those who become believers after the church has been removed.

This is fiction. You have no clear teaching for any of this. You cited no verses.

The Tribulation is aimed at Israel (Mat 24:16)
The Tribulation is the Wrath of Satan (Rev 12:12)
God has to shorten those days or Satan will kill everyone (Mat 24:22)
God's Wrath is in response and comes after Satan's Wrath (2 Thes 1:6)
God's wrath is poured out on the Beast and his kingdom, not the entire planet (Rev 16:10)
The Lord returns in the Air which is specifically located at the 7th Bowl (Rev 16:17, 1 Thes 4:17)

The Tares are Muslims, living in and around Israel. The Wheat are believing Jews. You apply this to the Church. There was no church when Jesus taught this lesson.

I give you a challenge: go through Revelation chapters 1 through 3 and count how many times you see the word "church(s)." At the same time, count how many times you see the word "Saints" in those same chapters. Once you've done that, starting at Revelation chapter 4 through 18, count the number of times that the word "church" appears" and also count the number of times that the word "Saints" appears in those same chapters and then present your findings.

Where were those 7 churches located? Modern Day Turkey, correct? All of them. The warnings given were specific to those churches in the days John wrote to them. Yes, they have a message that all of us can use but don't over imply things such as the entire planet of Churches get raptured because churches aren't mentioned after Chapter 3. The reason those churches aren't mentioned after Chapter 3 is because John was done discussing them. Past, present, future. That's what John was shown.

Churches in the Beast's Kingdom are nearly all wiped out and replaced with ISLAM. This part of the world is where the action is and will be.
 
John reveals further information about things already discussed in the OT. He uses OT symbols to disguise things. He writes in Apocalyptic literary style so that only true believers will understand the meaning and not the Romans should they find his letters. This style of writing was very popular in his day and all the way into the 18th century as people would be arrested and killed if they wrote anything critical against their government or church. Nostradamus wrote in this same style.

If you read Ezek 38-39 and understand the areas being discussed you can then know that the action is in and around Israel and the Muslim world. It is this part of world that all of the seals, trumpets and bowls are affecting. It is NOT the entire planet.

The early church dominated this part of the world. You had the Eastern Church or Greek Orthodox, and you had the Western Church or Roman Catholic. In 632 AD, ISLAM, which is Mystery Babylon, began and over the next 500-700 years Islam began to displace Christianity in this part of the world. The Ottoman Empire, which was the 7th Beast, formed in 1299 replacing the Eastern Roman or Byzantine Empire. The Ottoman Empire was an ISLAMIC empire whereby you had the world's dominant empire of its time following a false religion.

The Ottoman Empire was broken up in 1922, thus received a mortal wound, following WW1 by the European powers. But during the course of its reign (1299-1922) the Ottomans killed 50 million Christians. This persecution and murder has greatly diminished Christianity in this part of the world, the light of this world has grown dim. If you look at a map of western Asia and the Middle east, you see Israel as an island in a Muslim sea of people.

When the Mahdi appears, Muslims will unite around him. Those who refuse will be killed. This is the what Rev 13 is telling us. ISIS is literally trying to bring forth this apocalyptic figure. They have created a new ISLAMIC State and may end up being the continuation of the "Beast with the mortal wound that lives."

Here in the west we have been programmed to think there will be some new age religion that the entire world must follow. We think there is going to be this AntiChrist who forces us to take a mark or a computer chip or something. This just is not true. This view is a misconception put out there by people who do not understand Bible symbols and the context in which Revelation was written. They fail to identify Mystery Babylon as ISLAM and fail to realize that the Bible is Israel-centric. North and South America didn't exist when John wrote Revelation. All the action is over there. There is no need to "Rapture" the church to avoid God's wrath as God's wrath does not affect areas where the church is/will be.

The church is already wiped out for the most part by the time God pours His wrath out against the Beast kingdom. The Tribulation is aimed at God's people. This is clear. God doesn't need to shorten His own days. God's wrath is in response to Satan's tribulation which is what Paul teaches in 2 Thes 1. This is crystal clear. I am amazed at how many people have been programmed to think otherwise.
 
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John reveals further information about things already discussed in the OT. He uses OT symbols to disguise things. He writes in Apocalyptic literary style so that only true believers will understand the meaning and not the Romans should they find his letters. This style of writing was very popular in his day and all the way into the 18th century as people would be arrested and killed if they wrote anything critical against their government or church. Nostradamus wrote in this same style.

Hello Plainword,

I have to disagree in that, John is not writing anything from his own understanding, for he was told by the Lord to do the following:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ"

"On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet, which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

"Write, therefore, what you have seen, what is now and what will take place later."

Regarding the above, none of Revelation is of John's own interpretation nor is he quoting OT scripture, nor is he writing in a certain style, nor is anything in Revelation from John's own personal thoughts or understanding. John did exactly what he was told to do, which was to write exactly what he saw and heard as provided through all that God was revealing to him through the visions and he didn't deviate from that by adding his own commentaries.

The church is already wiped out for the most part by the time God pours His wrath out against the Beast kingdom. The Tribulation is aimed at God's people.

The church isn't even here during the time of God's wrath! Jesus said, "I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it." Yet, you are saying that he is going to build his church and then pour out his wrath upon it, even though scripture states that Jesus rescues us from the coming wrath and that we are not appointed to suffer God's wrath. I challenge you to find the word "Church(s)" anywhere within Revelation chapter 4 through 18, which is where God's wrath is taking place. You won't find it and that because the church is already gone.

God doesn't need to shorten His own days. God's wrath is in response to Satan's tribulation which is what Paul teaches in 2 Thes 1. This is crystal clear.

Well, it is not so crystal clear in that, Paul is not teaching anything that you mentioned. God did shorten the time to 3 1/2 years and that because Jesus said that if he hadn't, no one would be left alive on the earth. Everyone can read about the time being shortened right in scripture. In fact I'll post it here:

"If those days had not been shortened, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened."

In the above verse, Jesus is speaking in reference to when the abomination is set up, which according to Dan.9:27 is in the middle of that seven year period, with the last 3 1/2 years being the great tribulation period. The church is not here during that last seven years and that because God's wrath is being poured out during that time and we are not appointed to suffer wrath. Again, this error brought about because of not recognizing that the gathering of the church, which takes place prior to the seven years, as being a separate event from the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, which takes place at the end of the seven years.
 
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John reveals further information about things already discussed in the OT. He uses OT symbols to disguise things. He writes in Apocalyptic literary style so that only true believers will understand the meaning and not the Romans should they find his letters. This style of writing was very popular in his day and all the way into the 18th century as people would be arrested and killed if they wrote anything critical against their government or church. Nostradamus wrote in this same style.

If you read Ezek 38-39 and understand the areas being discussed you can then know that the action is in and around Israel and the Muslim world. It is this part of world that all of the seals, trumpets and bowls are affecting. It is NOT the entire planet.

The early church dominated this part of the world. You had the Eastern Church or Greek Orthodox, and you had the Western Church or Roman Catholic. In 632 AD, ISLAM, which is Mystery Babylon, began and over the next 500-700 years Islam began to displace Christianity in this part of the world. The Ottoman Empire, which was the 7th Beast, formed in 1299 replacing the Eastern Roman or Byzantine Empire. The Ottoman Empire was an ISLAMIC empire whereby you had the world's dominant empire of its time following a false religion.

The Ottoman Empire was broken up in 1922, thus received a mortal wound, following WW1 by the European powers. But during the course of its reign (1299-1922) the Ottomans killed 50 million Christians. This persecution and murder has greatly diminished Christianity in this part of the world, the light of this world has grown dim. If you look at a map of western Asia and the Middle east, you see Israel as an island in a Muslim sea of people.

When the Mahdi appears, Muslims will unite around him. Those who refuse will be killed. This is the what Rev 13 is telling us. ISIS is literally trying to bring forth this apocalyptic figure. They have created a new ISLAMIC State and may end up being the continuation of the "Beast with the mortal wound that lives."

Here in the west we have been programmed to think there will be some new age religion that the entire world must follow. We think there is going to be this AntiChrist who forces us to take a mark or a computer chip or something. This just is not true. This view is a misconception put out there by people who do not understand Bible symbols and the context in which Revelation was written. They fail to identify Mystery Babylon as ISLAM and fail to realize that the Bible is Israel-centric. North and South America didn't exist when John wrote Revelation. All the action is over there. There is no need to "Rapture" the church to avoid God's wrath as God's wrath does not affect areas where the church is/will be.

The church is already wiped out for the most part by the time God pours His wrath out against the Beast kingdom. The Tribulation is aimed at God's people. This is clear. God doesn't need to shorten His own days. God's wrath is in response to Satan's tribulation which is what Paul teaches in 2 Thes 1. This is crystal clear. I am amazed at how many people have been programmed to think otherwise.

You've yet to realize how Christ's enemies are only USING... Islam, and that His real enemies are the worshipers of Lucifer which are spread throughout the world in every nation, and work together.
 
Yes sir, that is correct. To get a better understanding of the severity of God's wrath, I would suggest that you do a study on the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments. There are only two place that specify the percentage of fatalities during God's wrath, one being at the 4th seal where a third of the earth's immediate population is killed. And the other is mentioned at the 6th trumpet where a third of the earth's inhabitants are killed. Both of these combined and based on the current population of 7 billion, the fatalities would equal 4.4 billion and that is not including trumpets 1, 2 and 3 nor does it include the bowl judgments. Regarding this time period Jesus said that it would be a time of great distress such as the world has not seen from the beginning of creation, until now and never to be equaled again and if those days had not been shortened, no one would be left alive on the earth. That is how bad God's wrath is going to be and that in addition to those saints that are killed during the beasts reign.

NO, the tribulation is NOT the cup of God's Wrath poured out upon the wicked on the LAST DAY with the 7th Vial.

Vials 1-6 are His wrath also and do occur during the tribulation, but are NOT the specific "wrath" that Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.5.

The "wrath" Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.5 is the final day 7th Vial cup of God's wrath upon the wicked that happens on the "day of the Lord" which comes "as a thief in the night." That... is the "sudden destruction" upon the deceived and wicked Paul was speaking of.
 
There are no modifications. It makes perfect sense that since scripture states that Jesus rescues believers from the coming wrath and that we are not appointed to suffer the coming wrath, then common sense says that believers cannot go through the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and that because they constitute God's wrath. There are no scripture modifications in that, in speaking of the resurrection and catching away, Paul says to all believers to comfort one another with that hope and that event is also referred to as "the blessed hope." Suffice to say, if the church was to go through the wrath of God, there would be no blessed hope, nor could any believer be comforted. The reason that you an others don't get this, is because you don't understand the severity and magnitude of God's wrath that is coming. If you did, you wouldn't be claiming that the church is going to be on earth and exposed to it. This is God's wrath that is coming, not man's! And that is what you are not understand.

You pre-trib folks ever are keying on Apostle Paul's statement in 1 Thess.5 that we are not appointed to God's wrath, when you don't even know... WHICH wrath Paul was pointing to!

You SKIP, HOP, and JUMP down to the 1 Thess.5:9 verse while completely failing to understand this:

1 Thess 5:2-4
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

When does that "sudden destruction" happen upon the wicked? If it's "sudden", then it cannot mean over a 3.5 years amount of time, now can it? No, or course not. Common sense.

That time of "sudden destruction" is ON the FINAL DAY of this world which is that "day of the Lord" timing Paul showed there will come "as a thief in the night." That is the final 7th VIAL of Rev.16:15-17. THAT... is the "wrath" Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.5:9 that we, Christ's Church, are not appointed to!

But you obviously don't care... about that as per that written Scripture by Apostle Paul. You would rather listen to men's doctrine of a pre-trib rapture which goes against... what Paul said there.

The "day of the Lord" IS A DAY! And in one of your other false posts you say I'm the one who needs help with grammar?

You're simply allowing men to deceive you brother.
 
"After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands."

"Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The scriptures above are in reference to those referred to as "the great tribulation saints." These will be those who become believers after the church has been removed and will be caught during the time of God's wrath. They will be made up of those who will have claimed to be in Christ, but will have been sowing to the sinful nature and will not be gathered by the Lord, because they were not watching and ready. This group will also be made up of those who become believers after the church has been removed. I give you a challenge: go through Revelation chapters 1 through 3 and count how many times you see the word "church(s)." At the same time, count how many times you see the word "Saints" in those same chapters. Once you've done that, starting at Revelation chapter 4 through 18, count the number of times that the word "church" appears" and also count the number of times that the word "Saints" appears in those same chapters and then present your findings.

You have absolutely NO... Scripture basis for that false interpretation.

Rev.7 does NOT tell us when Jesus comes to gather His Church.

Rev.7 is about God's sealing of His servants in prep for the tribulation.

The 144,000 of the tribes of Israel represent those SEALED by The Holy Spirit, they are BELIEVERS on Christ Jesus from both the "house of Judah" (Jews) and the scattered ten lost tribe "house of Israel", BOTH... of Christ's Church among the Gentiles.

Rev.9 shows those have ALREADY been SEALED with God's seal by the time of the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe.

Jesus comes to gather His Church on the final 7th Trumpet, 7th Vial, and 6th Seal (Matt.24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; 2 Thess.2; 1 Thess 5; Rev.16:15-17; 1 Cor.15; John 5:28-29; Rev.19; Zech.14; 1 Thess.4; Rev.11:15 >; Rev.6).
 
Hello Beloved777,

It is simple, Mt.24:29-31, though its description seems similar to the 6th seal, it cannot be the same event and here is why:

As Jesus describes the signs leading up to his return, in Mt.24:15 he mentions the abomination that causes the desolation, which according to Dan.9:27 takes place in the middle of the seven and therefore, in the chronological order of the signs, Mt.24:15 would be the middle. The event of the sun being darkened and the moon not giving its light would then take place some time after the abomination is set up and at the end of the seven years, with Christ returning immediately after that event in Mt.24:30-31. The problem is that, if that event of the sun, moon and stars was synonymous with the 6th seal mentioned in Revelation 6, then we know that following that is the 7th seal, followed by the seven trumpets, which is followed by the seven bowl judgments. That being said, do you see any of those other events taking place after the event of the sun, moon and stars? No, we don't! Therefore, that event in Mt.24:29 cannot be the same event as the 6th seal, but a similar event that will take place at the end of the seven years just prior to Christ's return to end the age. In fact, there are multiple other events mentioned in revelation that involve the sun, moon and stars.

The event of Mt.24:29 is the sign of the sun, moon and stars which takes place immediately before Christ's return to the earth to end the age. And Mt.24:30-31 is the event of Christ's return to the earth and therefore, there is no room for the 7th seal, the seven trumpets and the seven bowl judgments to take place. Furthermore, after the 6th bowl has been poured out, Jesus interjects the following:

"Look, I come like a thief! Blessed is the one who stays awake and remains clothed, so as not to go naked and be shamefully exposed"

The above would demonstrate beyond doubt, that Jesus has not returned by the time the 6th bowl judgment has been poured out. It is not until after the 7th bowl, as demonstrated in Rev.19:11-21 that Jesus returns. After Mt.24:29, we do not see any of the plagues that would follow the 6th seal in Mt.24:29. That said, if Mt.24:29 was synonymous with the 6th seal, then we should see references to the 7th seal, the seven trumpets and the bowl judgments, but there are none. In fact, Christ's immediate return to end the age takes place immediately after Mt.24:29.

But right after the 7th bowl judgment, in chapters 17-18, it speaks about Babylon The Great and then its destruction before, then the elders and the four beasts and the marriage supper of The Lamb (Christ). Then in 19:11 we see the return of Christ. Do these other events occur after the 7th bowl judgment prior to Christ's return in Glory?
 
Morning Beloved777,

But right after the 7th bowl judgment, in chapters 17-18, it speaks about Babylon The Great and then its destruction before,

Revelation 17 & 18 is a description of Mystery Babylon's destruction and not necessarily the chronological order. If you will go to Rev.14:8 which says:

"A second angel followed and said, “ ‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’ which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”

The above is announced after the 7th trumpet, but before the first bowl judgment. Suffice to say, Mystery Babylon gets destroyed in between the middle and the end of the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. One thing is for sure and that is that the woman is destroyed prior to Christ's return in Rev.19. Christ does not return until sometime after the 7th bowl has been poured out, which can be deduced from Rev.16:15 when the Lord announces that he is about to return.
 
You have absolutely NO... Scripture basis for that false interpretation.

Rev.7 does NOT tell us when Jesus comes to gather His Church.

Rev.7 is about God's sealing of His servants in prep for the tribulation.

The 144,000 of the tribes of Israel represent those SEALED by The Holy Spirit, they are BELIEVERS on Christ Jesus from both the "house of Judah" (Jews) and the scattered ten lost tribe "house of Israel", BOTH... of Christ's Church among the Gentiles.

Rev.9 shows those have ALREADY been SEALED with God's seal by the time of the 5th Trumpet - 1st Woe.

Jesus comes to gather His Church on the final 7th Trumpet, 7th Vial, and 6th Seal (Matt.24:29-31; Mark 13:24-27; 2 Thess.2; 1 Thess 5; Rev.16:15-17; 1 Cor.15; John 5:28-29; Rev.19; Zech.14; 1 Thess.4; Rev.11:15 >; Rev.6).


This is complete hogwash.
You did exactly what you accuse him of doing.

Absolutely amazingly blinded by your zeal for us to endure the wrath of God.
Just unbelievable.
 
You pre-trib folks ever are keying on Apostle Paul's statement in 1 Thess.5 that we are not appointed to God's wrath, when you don't even know... WHICH wrath Paul was pointing to!

You SKIP, HOP, and JUMP down to the 1 Thess.5:9 verse while completely failing to understand this:

1 Thess 5:2-4
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.


3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.


4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV

When does that "sudden destruction" happen upon the wicked? If it's "sudden", then it cannot mean over a 3.5 years amount of time, now can it? No, or course not. Common sense.

That time of "sudden destruction" is ON the FINAL DAY of this world which is that "day of the Lord" timing Paul showed there will come "as a thief in the night." That is the final 7th VIAL of Rev.16:15-17. THAT... is the "wrath" Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.5:9 that we, Christ's Church, are not appointed to!

But you obviously don't care... about that as per that written Scripture by Apostle Paul. You would rather listen to men's doctrine of a pre-trib rapture which goes against... what Paul said there.

The "day of the Lord" IS A DAY! And in one of your other false posts you say I'm the one who needs help with grammar?

You're simply allowing men to deceive you brother.


And our verses you do not skip,you distort.

What a farce
 
NO, the tribulation is NOT the cup of God's Wrath poured out upon the wicked on the LAST DAY with the 7th Vial.

Vials 1-6 are His wrath also and do occur during the tribulation, but are NOT the specific "wrath" that Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.5.

The "wrath" Paul was speaking of in 1 Thess.5 is the final day 7th Vial cup of God's wrath upon the wicked that happens on the "day of the Lord" which comes "as a thief in the night." That... is the "sudden destruction" upon the deceived and wicked Paul was speaking of.

Wrath/tribulation/great tribulation.

All phrases you manipulate to distort the meaning.

Jesus himself releases the horsemen.

MASSIVE DEATH,DESTRUCTION,AND BONDAGE.

Under your template,all the ot judgments God did on his own people were just minor inconveniencesof the devil.

Man it is so obvious you need that to say what you are twisting it into.

Only a newborn babe,with no bible would believe your mess.
 
"After this I looked and saw a multitude too large to count, from every nation and tribe and people and tongue, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands."

"Then one of the elders addressed me: “These in white robes,” he asked, “who are they, and where have they come from?” “Sir,” I answered, “you know.” So he replied, “These are the ones who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

The scriptures above are in reference to those referred to as "the great tribulation saints." These will be those who become believers after the church has been removed and will be caught during the time of God's wrath. They will be made up of those who will have claimed to be in Christ, but will have been sowing to the sinful nature and will not be gathered by the Lord, because they were not watching and ready. This group will also be made up of those who become believers after the church has been removed. I give you a challenge: go through Revelation chapters 1 through 3 and count how many times you see the word "church(s)." At the same time, count how many times you see the word "Saints" in those same chapters. Once you've done that, starting at Revelation chapter 4 through 18, count the number of times that the word "church" appears" and also count the number of times that the word "Saints" appears in those same chapters and then present your findings.
The churches will be full after the rapture.

The 5 foolish will be left behind with a new found mission. They will be resposible to a degree for the ones saved after the rapture.

But all will be destroyed by the AC. He kills all the saints. Early on in the Gt.

The 10 virgins parable is the rapture.

The one taken,one left is also the rapture.
 
But right after the 7th bowl judgment, in chapters 17-18, it speaks about Babylon The Great and then its destruction before, then the elders and the four beasts and the marriage supper of The Lamb (Christ). Then in 19:11 we see the return of Christ. Do these other events occur after the 7th bowl judgment prior to Christ's return in Glory?

I do not think any of us knows who or where babylon is.

I have not looked very deeply into it. It remains a mystery,as does Jezebel. She is in the churches now,and I am sure babylon is here now.

Says the voice of Jesus (the bridegroom) will not be heard in her anymore.