Tithe!

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Catching up on some reading last night, I discovered a trend among members and pastors of many churches.


They frown on people not attending Church services.


Their reason? Because the Bible says we should assemble together, and the Church is there to strengthen and feed the flock of God.


The problem I have with their argument is the fact that every single one of those members of those assemblies teaches that God requires 10% of your monetary income be given to the Church. This is a major reason why many DO NOT attend Church today, because of false doctrine being taught from the pulpits and members embracing said false doctrines.


I must ask, is it wiser to be divided by truth, or to be united in a lie?


In the Bible, the tithes that God said were to be given to the ministers of the Tabernacle, (later, the Temple) were strictly agricultural in their content. Even in the last chapter that tithes are commanded, Hebrews 7:5-9, they are to be given to the sons of Levi… physical descendants of Jacob’s son Levi.


Yet, how many of these Pastors can actually prove that they, in fact, are sons of Levi. And, even if they could prove that they are, in fact, sons of Levi, they still have a brick wall that cannot be torn down…


…They must take tithes “ACCORDING TO THE LAW.”


That is the command the sons of Levi have,… to take tithes according to the Law.


What did the Law say concerning tithes?


1. That they are agricultural. Leviticus 27:30-33 (This eliminates the authority of pastors to take tithes of people’s monetary income)
2. That they are commanded of the children of Israel. Leviticus 27:34.
(This eliminates the responsibility or obligation of parishioners having to pay a tithe of their monetary income)
3. That they are not to be observed outside the boundaries of the land of Canaan. Deuteronomy 6:1-3; 12:1,10-11. (This eliminates the alleged authority of pastors to take tithes who live in any other geographical location other than Canaan)
4. That they are to be eaten by sons of Levi, widows, orphans, & foreigners in Canaan. Deuteronomy 14:22-29. (this eliminates any authority of any Church to take tithes in order to pay its utility and maintenance bills. It also eliminates the authority of the Church to take tithes for any debt payment intentions whatsoever)


There are so many today who, because of failure to study their Bibles, do not realize that each time they respond to their pastor’s sermon and call for monetary tithes, they are doing nothing more than yielding to a lie and hindering any worship that may be going on in their assembly from even reaching God’s heart.


Jesus said of the Pharisees in Matthew 15:9, that because they taught commandments of men for doctrines of God their worship was in vain.


These assemblies that teach the monetary tithe requirement worship in vain. The doctrine of the monetary tithe requirement is totally foreign to the Word of God.


Back to the statement at the beginning of this document,…


People who teach and embrace the false doctrine of the monetary tithe requirement should not think more highly of themselves than those who are staying out of their assemblies. God may have told those who are staying out of those assemblies to come out from among them and be separate.

 

[Yet]

Ok. I'm calling it. There are many 'pastors', so titled which is unbiblical, that demand tithes. I realize that they are propagating that which has been drilled into them. They are ignorant of God's word. Okee fine. But.....they had better wake up to the heresy of their upper exalted position and the lie of the demonic tithe.
Yes I call it demonic for Satan is the one who slipped it under the door. Bringing God's precious saints under a man made law/tradition which inadvertently brings a curse on a persons life...in a hurry for the poor or down the road for the rich.

Not just making it hard for the dad with the low paying job supporting a family, but his life in general. I believe sickness is a direct result of the traditions of men (clerical madness) that 'make of none effect the word of God' in a persons life and also the Galatians warnings of trying to keep the churches command of tithing. Under a law, under a curse.

I'm not making this up. Read your bible.
And about sitting in a pew with duct tape on your mouth is 100 percent against God's design for His assembly?......well, I won't even go there. All curses, curses, curses. Bondage, bondage, bondage. The abundant life, a joke.

You are lied to every Sunday about robbing God. Who's robbing who? Every 'pastor' reading from the 'How to cook Mutton' cook book spewing 'You gotta remain faithful and keep bringing your tithes to me, uh, uh I mean to God and the windows of heaven are gonna fly wide open....some day.' Its that 'some day' that's laughable. Don't hold your breath.

Lies, lies, and more lies. Don't point to the businessman in your church that is rolling in dough. Point to the widow or guy on a fixed income.

I belabor the point. I don't care if poor Mike pays tithes and then finds a brown paper bag on his front porch one morning with a million dollars in it. God's kind mercy or satans deceptive trick to blind and bind the congregation.

The good news of the gospel, has been turned on its head by Satan through willing slobbering men of arrogance and avarice, with dollar signs in their eyes.
I do not believe that the whole of the 'church' will ever figure this out, especially when they are not even trying. 'Prophets prophesy for gain and My people love it so'. Jeremiah 5:13
God has me click these keys for those who hunger for the truth that will set them free. They cry FREEDOM! Sincerity will get them there.
For the rest of my brothers and sisters? Sorry about their luck. They bring it on themselves.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Ok. I'm calling it. There are many 'pastors', so titled which is unbiblical, that demand tithes. I realize that they are propagating that which has been drilled into them.

To a large degree, pastorhood has become a profession just like any other secular one. I'd bet that seminaries/bible colleges have special courses that teach aspiring pastor-kings how to milk the congregation... oops, I mean how to support their business through tithes and offerings, much like a dental school would teach aspiring dentists how to run their business.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Ok. I'm calling it. There are many 'pastors', so titled which is unbiblical, that demand tithes.

I ran webcrawlers a few days while travelling, returned home to find apparently the Mormons are the only significant religious group that demand tithes. To say "many" pastors, inferring Christian denominations in the USA do that, is not backed by data so far. You should provide ample evidence. I did find some preachers in Africa that do that, their tv sermons being about money, though I didn't listen to any whole sermon.

There is no Bible prohibition against teaching, preaching, or encouraging tithing. It can't possibly be unbiblical, since God instituted tithing and is not on record as abolishing it. The simple fact remains there is a great blessing for tithers, however God views it, among even gentiles. Proverbs says the lack of tithing assures hurricanes, not a laughing matter.

What I see so far is a profound ignorance of where mankind stands with the Law. Jesus didn't do away with it according to Matt 5. An example is in that chapter he expanded adultery, divorce, and other commands by exposing the heart (intent) of those commandments. Jesus came to fulfill them, not eliminate them. By "fulfill", it's a matter like carrying out a vow, accomplishing a contract/covenant. David and Jonathan vowed future honors, and even though Jonathan died, David honored his descendants. The promise he made was fulfilled as long as David lived, and beyond by succeeding kings. In the same way Jesus successfully carried out the Law, plus the heart or intent of it. But he didn't abolish the Law. In his blood believers have access to the Holy, which was excluded to the Jews by the veil. God split it while Jesus hung on the cross, but the priesthood restored it until 70 AD. They rejected the spiritual, holy intent of the Law, keeping the letter of it. That was like a building contractor refusing to return to satisfy a new homeowner who just discovered strange plastic materials were used instead of wood and metal, since the contract didn't specify what kind of materials would be used. There was no specific law prohibiting that, and still isn't.

The only part of the Law that's "finished" concerns the enmity between God and fallen man. The Law still demands blood, but for believers in Christ, God has received his blood once and for all who believe on him. For others not believing, they will be judged by that demand of the Law. So it is that whatever Jesus didn't directly finish (abolish) remains applicable as much as possible. He is our sabbath rest, so for believers, being in Christ is keeping that sabbath rest. How anyone figures Jesus finished off tithing is not really worth giving thought to. He didn't. We still are demanded to love God and parents and neighbor, as attested to by Jesus and the apostles and now the Spirit. The ordinances that demand presenting sacrifices is abolished in Christ, but not for those not under his blood. There being no place God has declared as a fit altar, they have no hope of fulfilling that apart from Jesus.

I and every friend of mine is today mightily blessed from tithes and offerings. Wonderful business ideas have come to us. We enjoy those promises made live in us, why we encourage, not demand, tithing new food, new unopened clothing, pre-paid gas cards, cash, land titles, whatever a person deems holy for the Lord. Beyond the tithes are offerings to missionaries, even other local churches, foreign orphanages, Christian schools, etc. It's FUN to be part of the kingdom of Heaven like the apostles lived.

 

[bikerchaz]

Hi guys! Am anew member, Ihave aquestion please just help! Iam born and believe in Tithing and It's apractice Ifollow, Iwas attending acertain meeting in another church where the preacher was talking about giving and he said, a) Jesus never talked about Tithe but Jesus taught about sacrificial giving! b) The apostles never taught about Tithing but they taught early belivers to give towards the extension of the gospel and also to the needy in Jerusalem! c) he said Tithe is alegalistic way of giving and the Apostles in Acts 15:22-30! Please help me know, could Ihave practised this in vain!

If you do a bit of prayerful study you will find a few things that are not told within the church about tithing. Moses set it up as a way of looking after the Levites and a welfare system for the poor, it was to be shared out every few years and it was mentioned that there was to be no poor within the house of Israel. I purposely have not given any chapter and verse, do it as a study.
by the by it is not wrong to tithe, if the Lord has put it on your heart then do it, if it from teaching then study the original implications and then follow your heart.
God bless.

 

[planitsoon]

Tithing: Low-Realm, Obsolete & Defunct

This is one awesome book going deeply into every aspect of tithing. You can read it online!

 

[roaringkitten]

There is no Bible prohibition against teaching, preaching, or encouraging tithing. It can't possibly be unbiblical, since God instituted tithing and is not on record as abolishing it. The simple fact remains there is a great blessing for tithers, however God views it, among even gentiles. Proverbs says the lack of tithing assures hurricanes, not a laughing matter.

So you affirm that teaching tithing to the church is ok because 1)God instituted tithing, 2)and the Word is not on record as specifically abolishing the tithe. What about the other 500+ laws under Moses which 1)God instituted, 2)which the Word is not on record of abolishing each of them by name. Your logic here destroys your very assertion of tithing. Also, if you declare that tithing is for today because it existed before the law of Moses then I assume you perform circumcision and animal sacrifices too because they appeared before the law of Moses!

The truth is tithe preachers are partial in the law, conveniently ignoring the rest of the law of Moses(money money money). Did you know that God specifically cursed the priests in Malachi 2 for being partial in the law?

"Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law." Mal 2:9

So many desire to be teachers of the law, not understanding what they affirm, and it all sounds like vain jangling according to 1 Tim 1:6-8.

 

[Dino246]

Proverbs says the lack of tithing assures hurricanes, not a laughing matter.

Chapter and verse?

 

[Word_Swordsman]

Chapter and verse?

Oops, glad you caught that. That was one of my replies from another thread on another site about storms of life, Proverbs speaking of storms wiping out the wicked, while the righteous are spared. One of the verses in that is
Proverbs 10:24-25 (KJV) [SUP]24 [/SUP] The fear of the wicked, it shall come upon him: but the desire of the righteous shall be granted.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation.

The comparison I was thinking about is the tithers of the old covenant had protection from devastation because that was part of their righteousness covenant, which was dependent upon faithful tithing. The question was why don't Christians have a similar promise God gave tithers under an inferior covenant compared to ours. That's a tough topic seeing how many lose everything in such high numbers from hurricanes and earthquakes.

Another passage can be assumed among many victims of storms (spiritual, mental, or natural) around the world.
Proverbs 1:23-33 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
[SUP]26 [/SUP] I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
[SUP]30 [/SUP] They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

Switching to our covenant.
Giving by what our "heart" tells us to give is always what the Lord requires? I've been looking for someone to answer to an obligation Christians have, which is not happening on a basis of giving "what you can". Most people who are Christian believe we ought to assemble as did early believers, as a body in a place, typically a church ever since then. So how will they assure their pastor and/or other ministers appointed by them will earn their living by the gospel they preach?
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

The principle you posted about is in the second Corinthians account of taking up a special offering for victims of persecution. The two accounts are not at all related, covering two types of giving of our wealth. One is totally an offering above and beyond taking care of those who minister to us.

That argument emerges from a basic hatred of giving up 10% of our wealth, or even committing to a regular pledge of support so a minister can have some expectation he can pay his bills. Not attending church because the preacher expects that (by commandment of the Lord to us Christians), leaves a person not obeying the word of commandment in that last passage, therefore in the same perilous risk as someone cheating on their tithe in the old covenant.

About half of evangelical congregations still believe tithing is the best idea, having far greater promise than an occasional gft based on whatever your mind is saying, based on how much happens to remain in your wallet. But, I've never heard a single preacher in an actual church teach tithing is required there. It's more like if you took a job, worked 40 hours, then the boss hands you payment for half of what you earned. No, you worked and earned it, so it's due you. The Lord has ordained that gospel ministers be paid a living, not handed tips, not subjected to an uncertain financial future. People that object are usually the ones complaining about being broke, losing jobs, and other disasters, who then stop attending because God isn't blessing their bank account. We've learned not to let them be leaders since they don't last, and can't convince anyone of anything other than their own misery. You can have the righteousness of God in Christ and enjoy eternal life, but being blessed, prospered, is conditional.

So do the righteous thing, be part of fulfilling that commandment ordained by the Lord, and don't resist sound principles God has given us. Get back into church, folks, stop living like those "hypocrites" who keep you away. I wouldn't let a hypocrite steer me to hell. Many abandon the faith altogether that way. There is nothing evil about tithing, only blessing if you do it consistently. Apart from that most Christians apparently choose to live like the unrighteous around them, so suffer the same storms of whatever type.

 

[Word_Swordsman]

So you affirm that teaching tithing to the church is ok because 1)God instituted tithing, 2)and the Word is not on record as specifically abolishing the tithe. What about the other 500+ laws under Moses which 1)God instituted, 2)which the Word is not on record of abolishing each of them by name. Your logic here destroys your very assertion of tithing. Also, if you declare that tithing is for today because it existed before the law of Moses then I assume you perform circumcision and animal sacrifices too because they appeared before the law of Moses!

The truth is tithe preachers are partial in the law, conveniently ignoring the rest of the law of Moses(money money money). Did you know that God specifically cursed the priests in Malachi 2 for being partial in the law?

"Therefore have I also made you contemptible and base before all the people, according as ye have not kept my ways, but have been partial in the law." Mal 2:9

So many desire to be teachers of the law, not understanding what they affirm, and it all sounds like vain jangling according to 1 Tim 1:6-8.

So if the Law says do something, you always refuse to do it? Then you teach others not to do it?

Beware. Many commands in the Law are part of modern society laws. Besides, there is a price to pay for violating
Matthew 5:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Do you condone divorce for reasons other than adultery? Jesus warned not to in that sermon. The Law allows divorce. Looking at someone a second time with lust is adultery. Jesus came out agreeing with the LAw about adultery, but greatly expanded it to even our thoughts.

Stop cherry picking it, learn what was finished, what is in the process of fulfillment, what is yet to be finished. You won't find a finishing of tithing. The curses of not tithing are sweeping our land, as well as the whole world. Seek how to reap the blessings of the Law, the curses kept away through obedience to Christ's commandments to repent and believe his gospel.

 

[Yet]

Oops, glad you caught that. That was one of my replies from another thread on another site about storms of life, Proverbs speaking of storms wiping out the wicked, while the righteous are spared. One of the verses in that is
Proverbs 10:24-25 (KJV) [SUP]24 [/SUP] The fear of the wicked, it shall come upon him: but the desire of the righteous shall be granted.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] As the whirlwind passeth, so is the wicked no more: but the righteous is an everlasting foundation.

The comparison I was thinking about is the tithers of the old covenant had protection from devastation because that was part of their righteousness covenant, which was dependent upon faithful tithing. The question was why don't Christians have a similar promise God gave tithers under an inferior covenant compared to ours. That's a tough topic seeing how many lose everything in such high numbers from hurricanes and earthquakes.

Another passage can be assumed among many victims of storms (spiritual, mental, or natural) around the world.
Proverbs 1:23-33 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
[SUP]25 [/SUP] But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
[SUP]26 [/SUP] I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
[SUP]27 [/SUP] When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
[SUP]29 [/SUP] For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
[SUP]30 [/SUP] They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

Switching to our covenant.
Giving by what our "heart" tells us to give is always what the Lord requires? I've been looking for someone to answer to an obligation Christians have, which is not happening on a basis of giving "what you can". Most people who are Christian believe we ought to assemble as did early believers, as a body in a place, typically a church ever since then. So how will they assure their pastor and/or other ministers appointed by them will earn their living by the gospel they preach?
1 Corinthians 9:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar?
[SUP]14 [/SUP] Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.

The principle you posted about is in the second Corinthians account of taking up a special offering for victims of persecution. The two accounts are not at all related, covering two types of giving of our wealth. One is totally an offering above and beyond taking care of those who minister to us.

That argument emerges from a basic hatred of giving up 10% of our wealth, or even committing to a regular pledge of support so a minister can have some expectation he can pay his bills. Not attending church because the preacher expects that (by commandment of the Lord to us Christians), leaves a person not obeying the word of commandment in that last passage, therefore in the same perilous risk as someone cheating on their tithe in the old covenant.

About half of evangelical congregations still believe tithing is the best idea, having far greater promise than an occasional gft based on whatever your mind is saying, based on how much happens to remain in your wallet. But, I've never heard a single preacher in an actual church teach tithing is required there. It's more like if you took a job, worked 40 hours, then the boss hands you payment for half of what you earned. No, you worked and earned it, so it's due you. The Lord has ordained that gospel ministers be paid a living, not handed tips, not subjected to an uncertain financial future. People that object are usually the ones complaining about being broke, losing jobs, and other disasters, who then stop attending because God isn't blessing their bank account. We've learned not to let them be leaders since they don't last, and can't convince anyone of anything other than their own misery. You can have the righteousness of God in Christ and enjoy eternal life, but being blessed, prospered, is conditional.

So do the righteous thing, be part of fulfilling that commandment ordained by the Lord, and don't resist sound principles God has given us. Get back into church, folks, stop living like those "hypocrites" who keep you away. I wouldn't let a hypocrite steer me to hell. Many abandon the faith altogether that way. There is nothing evil about tithing, only blessing if you do it consistently. Apart from that most Christians apparently choose to live like the unrighteous around them, so suffer the same storms of whatever type.

Hello my friend.
Im not down on you. We've all been there. We were all duped by traditions of men, and false doctrine. I'm the slowest learner of all. It took me over 27 years to finally put the last nail into the coffin of apostate heresy. I finally got around to comparing what was taught from the pulpit with what the word of God actually says on these matters. The contrast is stark and tragic and a travesty.

The apostle Paul was a preacher as the other apostles. Itenerent, traveling. Preaching is witnessing to the lost. Paul also revisited the ecclesias he started to shore them up. The apostles had a right to accept support as it was offered freely by the giver. They did not charge, freely they received, freely they were to give.
But in the local assembly the elders/pastors ministered without charge, without salaries.
Heres where we have all been lied to, to believe that one man gets to quit his day job, contrary to Acts 20, exalt himself above God's heritage, contrary to 1Peter 5:3 and Matt. 20:20-28, put an honorific title in front of his name, contrary to Matt. 23:7-12, and tell every one else that they owe him ten percent of their gross, contrary to Mark 7:13, plus all the covetiousness and filthy lucre warnings. Talking about the local gathering here.

Be like the Bereans. Study to see if these things are actually in the NT. I hope you'll agree that the folks would be better served if we give them the gospel truth minus all the 'add ons' and twists and turns that 'make of none effect the word of God'.

The people are hurting for being 'under the law' according to Galatians 3:10 and throughout that book. Under a curse. Again, traditions of men make null and void His word, His promises. God is saying to this false cleric system, which is contrary to the scriptures I have submitted, 'Let My people go'! Do you think?

 

[roaringkitten]

Hi guys! Am anew member, Ihave aquestion please just help! Iam born and believe in Tithing and It's apractice Ifollow, Iwas attending acertain meeting in another church where the preacher was talking about giving and he said, a) Jesus never talked about Tithe but Jesus taught about sacrificial giving! b) The apostles never taught about Tithing but they taught early belivers to give towards the extension of the gospel and also to the needy in Jerusalem! c) he said Tithe is alegalistic way of giving and the Apostles in Acts 15:22-30! Please help me know, could Ihave practised this in vain!

To go back to the original question on this thread, I encourage you to always match anything a preacher says with the Bible to see if they speak the truth. Many here have already done a great job exposing the lies of modern day tithe preachers. I used to be a deceived individual in the past and advocated paying tithes simply because the preacher told me to. It just dawned on me one day I was just doing it because others did it and so I was led to do a deeper study on Biblical tithing, realizing that what was taught to me was lies.

 

[hornetguy]

I heard of a CofC preacher that said that he didn't believe that tithing was scriptural... he said "we don't want to limit our members to giving only 10%! The word says to give as you've been prospered!"

I believe that approach is much more closely aligned to Jesus' ideas of living "the life"....

 

[Test_F_i_2_Luv]

I heard of a CofC preacher that said that he didn't believe that tithing was scriptural... he said "we don't want to limit our members to giving only 10%! The word says to give as you've been prospered!"

I believe that approach is much more closely aligned to Jesus' ideas of living "the life"....

I've certainly heard that in sermons.

Problem is, the O.T. Mosaic law is still referenced, and multiple tithes were required. 10% wasn't the starting point.

Care to take my T/F questions? So far, only pro-givers have tried it. No pro-tithers have.

1. T/F - All tithes in O.T. times were brought to the storehouse.

2. T/F - Tithes were always delivered to the storehouse by the tither.

3. T/F - Tithes and firstfruits and offerings are all the same thing; the words are synonymous.

4. T/F - In O.T. times, Israelites were allowed to eat part of their tithe.

5. T/F - In O.T. times, one tithe was due on agriculture and livestock.

6. T/F - In O.T. times, the first of every 10 animals was part of a tithe. It was to be the finest and best of the flock.

7. T/F - In O.T. times, tithing was done on agriculture every year.

 

[Yet]

I heard of a CofC preacher that said that he didn't believe that tithing was scriptural... he said "we don't want to limit our members to giving only 10%! The word says to give as you've been prospered!"

I believe that approach is much more closely aligned to Jesus' ideas of living "the life"....

I see some avarice in the words 'we don't want to limit our members to giving only 10 percent.'

Lets break it down:

1. 'Our members'....Not! They are God's members.

2. 'giving ONLY 10 percent.' 'Only' empties that this guys thirsts for larger donations. What is all that money used for?

Why didn't he say 'we don't want to hurt the struggling saints by forcing them to give such and such.'?

I still smell an exalted cleric, tithes or no tithes.

 

[hornetguy]

I see some avarice in the words 'we don't want to limit our members to giving only 10 percent.'

Lets break it down:

1. 'Our members'....Not! They are God's members.

2. 'giving ONLY 10 percent.' 'Only' empties that this guys thirsts for larger donations. What is all that money used for?

Why didn't he say 'we don't want to hurt the struggling saints by forcing them to give such and such.'?

I still smell an exalted cleric, tithes or no tithes.

Well, I understand your points, but he was making an attempt at being humorous... he wasn't being serious. It was meant (the way I understood it) to be a dig at the Pharisaical ones that said you HAVE to give 10%....

 

[Word_Swordsman]

To go back to the original question on this thread, I encourage you to always match anything a preacher says with the Bible to see if they speak the truth. Many here have already done a great job exposing the lies of modern day tithe preachers. I used to be a deceived individual in the past and advocated paying tithes simply because the preacher told me to. It just dawned on me one day I was just doing it because others did it and so I was led to do a deeper study on Biblical tithing, realizing that what was taught to me was lies.

How did the life and teachings of Jesus abolish tithing? If you can't show that plainly with at least 3 witness scriptures, then you are not only breaking a commandment, but teaching others to do so. We know what he said and did concerning the Sabbath Day, that observance a type of him.

It's one thing to simply refrain from tithing, or feeding a stranger, or stealing, or lusting after a neighbor's only 5 acres.

By that many avoid sin as much as they avoid doing good, plus or minus.

It's quite another to deliberately violate holy codes of the Law, or the laws of a society, or laws of nature, inviting a curse from Satan, fellow citizens in the courts, or God over the wicked. It all ripens into deep regret when breaking a commandment, especially one that carries a curse, then teaching others to do the same.

If you could rightly dismiss one jot or tittle of any word or phrase from the Law, then Jesus was in error. That goes for all 66 books of the Bible, a curse for changing the word contained in at least the last book.
Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There remain almost a thousand Bible prophecy verses that are unfulfilled. So are you teaching that God has taken tithing out of his will, that Christians who tithe are deceived? A preacher that encourages listeners to do something God promised blessings for is deceived and a deceiver?

Christians are not under commandment to tithe. We are not commanded to build a church building to meet in, but at least meet in the original "home group" scenario. But when teaching not to tithe or worship as a group face to face exercising gifts of the Spirit one to another in a place the Lord provides, that line is crossed. Denying a minister that preaches the gospel of Christ a living of (from) the gospel ministry is evil. At best a Christian doing so ends up being called "Least" in the kingdom of God. It's your choice. You can't stand before him claiming ignorance.

Mark 9:38-41 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] For he that is not against us is on our part.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Why risk so much? Wouldn't it be better to just turn aside, ignore what "they" are doing if they are preaching Christ, while teaching tithing in a congregation that is mightily blessed by tithing?

 

[Dino246]

Looking at someone a second time with lust is adultery. Jesus came out agreeing with the LAw about adultery, but greatly expanded it to even our thoughts.

Where did you get this idea of 'a second time'? That isn't what Jesus said.

From your post, I get the idea that you only consider abrogated what is specifically abrogated. Okay then...

To which temple or tabernacle do you take your firstfruits, wave offerings and drink offerings?

Have you participated in stoning the homosexuals, rapists, and persistently unruly teenagers in your town?

Do you use the third tithe to celebrate the Lord's goodness to you... in Jerusalem?

Do you have the local priest come and inspect your home if you get some mold on your bathroom tiles, and does he pronounce it clean after you bleach it (and spend a week in a hotel!)?

Do you still accuse others of cherry-picking? The temple is gone, the veil was rent, and the very office of priest is completely superseded by Jesus Himself. Jesus said clearly that He came to fulfill the Law. Romans 13:9-10 encompasses all the "laws" in the Law with "whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbour as yourself... love is the fulfillment of the Law."

Are you afraid that if you don't tithe, something bad will happen to you?

 

[roaringkitten]

How did the life and teachings of Jesus abolish tithing? If you can't show that plainly with at least 3 witness scriptures, then you are not only breaking a commandment, but teaching others to do so. We know what he said and did concerning the Sabbath Day, that observance a type of him.

It's one thing to simply refrain from tithing, or feeding a stranger, or stealing, or lusting after a neighbor's only 5 acres.

By that many avoid sin as much as they avoid doing good, plus or minus.

It's quite another to deliberately violate holy codes of the Law, or the laws of a society, or laws of nature, inviting a curse from Satan, fellow citizens in the courts, or God over the wicked. It all ripens into deep regret when breaking a commandment, especially one that carries a curse, then teaching others to do the same.

If you could rightly dismiss one jot or tittle of any word or phrase from the Law, then Jesus was in error. That goes for all 66 books of the Bible, a curse for changing the word contained in at least the last book.
Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

There remain almost a thousand Bible prophecy verses that are unfulfilled. So are you teaching that God has taken tithing out of his will, that Christians who tithe are deceived? A preacher that encourages listeners to do something God promised blessings for is deceived and a deceiver?

Christians are not under commandment to tithe. We are not commanded to build a church building to meet in, but at least meet in the original "home group" scenario. But when teaching not to tithe or worship as a group face to face exercising gifts of the Spirit one to another in a place the Lord provides, that line is crossed. Denying a minister that preaches the gospel of Christ a living of (from) the gospel ministry is evil. At best a Christian doing so ends up being called "Least" in the kingdom of God. It's your choice. You can't stand before him claiming ignorance.

Mark 9:38-41 (KJV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP] For he that is not against us is on our part.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

Why risk so much? Wouldn't it be better to just turn aside, ignore what "they" are doing if they are preaching Christ, while teaching tithing in a congregation that is mightily blessed by tithing?

I made an entire thread a month or so ago explaining my position on what the Bible teaches concerning tithing! Do tell me where the Bible teaches that tithing is money? Which of the 3 Mosaic tithes is Malachi 3:8-10 referring to? Everyone I talk to acts surprised that there is more than one tithe under the Mosaic system. The whole foundation of tithing for tithe preachers is Malachi 3:8-10. So if it is in fact a Mosaic tithe, then pastors should really be demanding the people to pay more than 10%. And where did you get this paying tithes weekly? Does the Bible teach this? The Bible even says one of the tithes was to be given every 3rd year! I explained it more fully in the thread I made before!

I have never met a tithe preacher that actually preaches the gospel, but a convoluted "ask Jesus into your heart" and say the sinners prayer. There may be some tithe preachers that teach a sound gospel but I have yet to find one! Yes it disgusts God when supposed "men of God" lie about God! I've seen first hand damage caused to the body of Christ by this teaching! I have given to many poor souls in need food and other things they needed! I have liberty to give more than 10% if the Lord lays that on my heart to do so!

 

[phil36]

Hi Yet,

Could you make your mind up. your sounding like a confused man.

There are many 'pastors', so titled which is unbiblical

But in the local assembly the elders/pastors ministered without charge, without salaries.