You are 100% correct...

[ladylynn]

I never understood the type of thinking that we are 100% right. The scriptures say Proverbs 14:12 There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

Now this may not be speaking in terms of doctrine or views or beliefs exactly but can easily be seen that way. the fact that many get hostile because of a doctrinal difference tells me that many belief their ways to be the truth.
in my opinion it's arrogant to believe that our views are the true truth at least believing all of them are, many want to learn and grow in faith but if one believes their beliefs to be 100% right then there is no room to grow because we have to be willing to admit we may be wrong in our views and doctrines which is almost unheard of in the bible discussion forum.

What's worse is everyone attacks each other, if something as simple as doctrinal differences is enough to split up the body and make it attack itself then all satan has to do to destroy the bodies function is throw a little doctrine here and there and we take care of the rest. I can't describe the pain I feel watching every day as brothers and sisters in Christ argue pointlessly attack each other call each other names pointing fingers and proving the world right in thinking we Christians are liars hypocrites judgmental bible thumpers.

what it mean to be a Christian? it is my saddest belief that the church has lost it's way that we who call ourselves Christians have forgotten what it means to be a Christian what it requires what it resembles. How many times have i said these things? How many times have I come here to remind everyone of this? and how many have taken it to heart?

God made us self aware. But sin took it to the extreme off kilter direction and changes a good thing like being self aware to being selfish and self centered. We have to be self aware to relate to God and with people in a real way and be compassionate and kindhearted and forgiving and wanting to treat others the way we want to be treated., the way God has treated us.

It goes directly to 1 Cor. 13 and how if our doctrines are not changing us to love others like God loves us., than our doctrines are worthless and only used for our own pride and justification. We can actually take the truth of God and use it for our own selfishness. And the only one who can change us is the Holy Spirit through His Word.

 

[crossnote]

There is a lot we know that comes from God's Word for so long we just take for granted.
If that knowledge was removed we would slip into deep darkness. We should be thankful.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Me too, I thought is was a system of guidelines that if you lived by would result in a decent life. I think I walked around for a month with my jaw wide open after He lifted that veil and I could see.

Oh hahaha!! Me too!

 

[Magenta]

Oh hahaha!! Me too!

I was just thinking about this, and had actually written:

There is a lot we know that comes from God's Word for so long we just take for granted.
If that knowledge was removed we would slip into deep darkness. We should be thankful.

This is very true Then there is also the hearing without understanding.
People can go to church for years and never hear the gospel, but not because it was
never preached... they probably would not know if it had been. How would they
recognize it? They know it not. The Spirit of God has not opened their understanding.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

while I agree, I still think it needs to be pointed out, so someone else does not make a mistake. which is what we have tried to do.

I understand. But also, what did the man do when God told him to go and marry a prostitute? There was no scripture for him to go find where God had told this to anyone else.

Or what about the man he told to eat human dung?

Or the man he told to go and sacrifice his little boy?

Did Abraham consult scripture to see if there was anyone else who God had ever told to do the same thing he had been told to do?

 

[Tintin]

You are 100% correct...

Thank you.

 

[Magenta]

I understand. But also, what did the man do when God told him to go and marry a prostitute? There was no scripture for him to go find where God had told this to anyone else.

Or what about the man he told to eat human dung?

Or the man he told to go and sacrifice his little boy?

Did Abraham consult scripture to see if there was anyone else who God had ever told to do the same thing he had been told to do?

I wonder how Isaiah felt, being told to walk around stripped and barefoot for three years?

 

[Tintin]

I understand. But also, what did the man do when God told him to go and marry a prostitute? There was no scripture for him to go find where God had told this to anyone else.

Or what about the man he told to eat human dung?

Or the man he told to go and sacrifice his little boy?

Did Abraham consult scripture to see if there was anyone else who God had ever told to do the same thing he had been told to do?

1) Hosea and Gomer (Did you know Gomer was also the name of one of Japheth's sons?)
2) Ezekiel (Actually, God wanted him to cook his food using human dung)
3) Abraham (Isaac wasn't a little boy at this time though)

Still, good points.

 

[Grace777x70]

This doesn't sound good.....cooking it or no cooking it.....

2 Kings 18:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] But Rabshakeh said unto them, Hath my master sent me to thy master, and to thee, to speak these words? hath he not sent me to the men which sit on the wall, that they may eat their own dung, and drink their own piss with you?

Say what?.....just sayin'

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

G777 you have reminded me of the first time I read a bible and all I had was KJV and when I read about Martha saying but Lord its been 3 days by now he stinketh, I cracked up. I pictured her waving her hands around and spraying febreeze. Then I felt guilty for laughing

 

[Grandpa]

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead
He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

And that too I experienced. He did not force me, yet surely a choice had been laid before me.

The thought never even occurred to me that I might be able to disobey His Voice.


All I wanted or could think about was obedience. And it was/is immediate. Physical and Spiritual and any other way if there was one.

 

[Grace777x70]

LOL..I'm sure our Lord laughs with us!..Our Father is not a religious prune....

G777 you have reminded me of the first time I read a bible and all I had was KJV and when I read about Martha saying but Lord its been 3 days by now he stinketh, I cracked up. I pictured her waving her hands around and spraying febreeze. Then I felt guilty for laughing

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree Grandpa...when you really know Him....it just flows naturally out of us to follow Him.....they are not commands as such to us...they are divine enablements to be who we really are in Him....in all that we do...it's the most wonderful life...He is living through and in us..what a difference then performance-driven religion...

The thought never even occurred to me that I might be able to disobey His Voice.


All I wanted or could think about was obedience. And it was/is immediate. Physical and Spiritual and any other way if there was one.

 

[p_rehbein]

With regards to the Title of the OP...............

I'm glad you finally came to that conclusion.

 

[Grace777x70]

LOL...and an elephant never forgets...

With regards to the Title of the OP...............

I'm glad you finally came to that conclusion.

 

[Jimbone]

So how could you be saved apart from the gospel? Just asking. what saved you?

Well like I said I had heard the gospel before, I knew the story, but that's what I really thought it was, a story. Understand I never looked very deep into it, I was way too busy with paying bills, working, video games, music, movies, you know all the great distractions the world throws at us to keep us from truly thinking deeply about anything. Like I said I really liked the "idea" of Jesus, but never gave it much time. What brought me to Him was when my pride was destroyed by a horrible motorcycle accident that took the use of my right and dominate arm, followed by the realization that it couldn't be fixed, not getting a cent from the accident and 750k worth of doctor bills, our car being totaled when we were $600 from paying it off, and a list of other things that I'm not going to mention. These lead me to wanting to kill myself, I couldn't do it to my 2 boys, but all I wanted was death. When I broke I wasn't even sure I wanted to believe God was even real anymore, not like I REALLY ever did anyway. Guess what? He saved me anyway, when I hit my knees that night I didn't call out to God, I didn't say Jesus name either, I just said this" I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I tried, world you win and I QUIT!!!!". That was it, the next day I woke up new, and I KNEW it was from God. That's how.

Praise His name and ALL glory to His merciful name. I can't thank Him enough.

 

[Magenta]

Well like I said I had heard the gospel before, I knew the story, but that's what I really thought it was, a story. Understand I never looked very deep into it, I was way too busy with paying bills, working, video games, music, movies, you know all the great distractions the world throws at us to keep us from truly thinking deeply about anything. Like I said I really liked the "idea" of Jesus, but never gave it much time. What brought me to Him was when my pride was destroyed by a horrible motorcycle accident that took the use of my right and dominate arm, followed by the realization that it couldn't be fixed, not getting a cent from the accident and 750k worth of doctor bills, are car being totaled when we were $600 from paying it off, and a list of other things that I'm not going to mention. These lead me to wanting to kill myself, I couldn't do it to my 2 boys, but all I wanted was death. When I broke I wasn't even sure I wanted to believe God was even real anymore, not like I REALLY ever did anyway. Guess what? He saved me anyway, when I hit my knees that night I didn't call out to God, I didn't say Jesus name either, I just said this" I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I tried, world you win and I QUIT!!!!". That was it, the next day I woke up new, and I KNEW it was from God. That's how.

Praise His name and ALL glory to His merciful name. I can't thank Him enough.

Sweet surrender Praise God!

 

[Magenta]

The thought never even occurred to me that I might be able to disobey His Voice.

All I wanted or could think about was obedience. And it was/is immediate. Physical and Spiritual and any other way if there was one.

Were you a believer at the time? That would make a big difference, I would think

 

[crossnote]

Well like I said I had heard the gospel before, I knew the story, but that's what I really thought it was, a story. Understand I never looked very deep into it, I was way too busy with paying bills, working, video games, music, movies, you know all the great distractions the world throws at us to keep us from truly thinking deeply about anything. Like I said I really liked the "idea" of Jesus, but never gave it much time. What brought me to Him was when my pride was destroyed by a horrible motorcycle accident that took the use of my right and dominate arm, followed by the realization that it couldn't be fixed, not getting a cent from the accident and 750k worth of doctor bills, our car being totaled when we were $600 from paying it off, and a list of other things that I'm not going to mention. These lead me to wanting to kill myself, I couldn't do it to my 2 boys, but all I wanted was death. When I broke I wasn't even sure I wanted to believe God was even real anymore, not like I REALLY ever did anyway. Guess what? He saved me anyway, when I hit my knees that night I didn't call out to God, I didn't say Jesus name either, I just said this" I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I can't do this anymore, I tried, world you win and I QUIT!!!!". That was it, the next day I woke up new, and I KNEW it was from God. That's how.

Praise His name and ALL glory to His merciful name. I can't thank Him enough.

This reminds me of Terry Clarks testimony (of Jesus movement musician fame) where he had been in and out of psyche wards from his post Vietnam syndromes. He was ready to 'check out' from this crazy world, when the Lord spoke to him saying, "you may want to check out but remember I checked in".

 

[Grandpa]

Were you a believer at the time? That would make a big difference, I would think

Yes.

I was a believer from a very young age.