You are 100% correct...

[eternally-gratefull]

It is true that Scripture verifies our experiences, but one need not have Scripture or Scriptural knowledge or expertise to experience God in the first place One of the things I find most interesting in Christendom is the fact that we believe in a supernatural God with Whom we are to have a personal relationship, but there are Christians who wish to deny the validity of supernatural experiences that form the basis of that relationship for others. If they have not encountered the Living Lord, that is one thing, but to wish to deny that others have is quite another.

So God spent 2000 years putting together his word. Countless men died for having the guts to write the words he wrote. and we do not need any of it??

Oh modern day thinking.. God help us..

 

[Jimbone]

Hmmm. Not sure how to answer that...you don't know His voice in you?

Well he is actually right, but you will know it's His voice because it will lead you to Him and His word. If it points you ANYWHERE else it's not His voice. The Spirit testifies of Jesus and will not point you anywhere else. In my experience and understanding anyway.

 

[coby]

Hmmm. Not sure how to answer that...you don't know His voice in you?

Sometimes looking back I was mistaken and it was either wishful thinking or the devil. Prophecies always needed to be tested by others said Paul because our prophecying is not perfect. There's people who now say: oh those prophecies I gave were wrong. Sorry. Doesn't immediately make them a false prophet. It just needs to be tested.

 

[Magenta]

And many have been led astray because they think they hear the voice of the Shepherd but it is bleating wolves. They weren't grounded in God's Word.

Interesting. His voice was unmistakable to me. Now I am not saying that it is always so, oh no. But when it mattered most, when He wanted me to know for sure, when my life was at stake and the fate of my soul was on the line? It was unmistakable.

 

[Jimbone]

So God spent 2000 years putting together his word. Countless men died for having the guts to write the words he wrote. and we do not need any of it??

Oh modern day thinking.. God help us..

Again I honestly don't understand her to be saying we don't need scripture ever, just that we can be saved and filled with the Spirit without reading it, but once that initial experience happens it WILL lead you to His word and to the scripture. I could be wrong but that's how I am understanding what shes saying.

 

[crossnote]

Just like in Roman Catholicism, tradition often trumps Scripture, so this should never be in a christian where experience trumps Scripture.
Scripture should always be the final arbitrator. If an experience or Tradition contradicts Scripture we should go with Scripture.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Again I honestly don't understand her to be saying we don't need scripture ever, just that we can be saved and filled with the Spirit without reading it, but once that initial experience happens it WILL lead you to His word and to the scripture. I could be wrong but that's how I am understanding what shes saying.

what she is saying is dangerous.. How can you lead someone to Christ without taking them to the word. So no. I do not think someone will be saved apart from being given the word. whether orally, or by the letter, where they can read it. the word must come in some place..

Peter said the words you speak are what gives us eternal life.

Paul told timothy, they scripture gave him knowledge for salvation.

Scripture is Gods word.. you can not separate the two

 

[Magenta]

Again I honestly don't understand her to be saying we don't need scripture ever, just that we can be saved and filled with the Spirit without reading it, but once that initial experience happens it WILL lead you to His word and to the scripture. I could be wrong but that's how I am understanding what shes saying.

Yeah, from my second post in this thread on, I have quoted Scripture
a number of times. Scripture affirms what I have been saying

 

[Grace777x70]

Some never let the scriptures get in the way of what they believe.

There is another side to that coin too. Some think they know what the scriptures say...like the Pharisees when speaking about Jesus and Him being the Messiah....however they did not know the full story about the life of Christ and so they rejected Him based on their belief of their knowledge of the scriptures....interesting..

John 7:41-43 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
[SUP]42 [/SUP] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
[SUP]43 [/SUP] So there was a division among the people because of him.

 

[crossnote]

Interesting. His voice was unmistakable to me. Now I am not saying that it is always so, oh no. But when it mattered most, when He wanted me to know for sure, when my life was at stake and the fate of my soul was on the line? It was unmistakable.

Again I'm not denying God has spoken to you.
I can only test it against His Word.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

How can I, Unless I have his holy written word to back up what the voice is saying. How do I know it was not satan, Disguised as God?

Why would God warn us, if it was not something Satan could do?

I think I see your thoughts here...let me ask, what do you make of these verses? How do you read them? Understand them?
My sheep know My voice.
You will hear a voice behind you saying go to your left or right.

It's okay if you don't see them the same as me. It's okay if you've never given them much thought. It's even okay if you have no idea what they mean. I'm not mean and I won't attack you.

 

[crossnote]

Some never let the scriptures get in the way of what they believe.

There is another side to that coin too. Some think they know what the scriptures say...like the Pharisees when speaking about Jesus and Him being the Messiah....however they did not know the full story about the life of Christ and so they rejected Him based on their belief of their knowledge of the scriptures....interesting..

John 7:41-43 (KJV)
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Others said, This is the Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee?
[SUP]42 [/SUP] Hath not the scripture said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem, where David was?
[SUP]43 [/SUP] So there was a division among the people because of him.

Well sure, a wrong view of Scripture will lead us astray as well.

 

[Magenta]

Again I'm not denying God has spoken to you.
I can only test it against His Word.

My experiences led me to Christ. Would you call that the work of Satan? I would hope not

 

[crossnote]

My experiences led me to Christ. Would you call that the work of Satan? I would hope not

I've had the same. I'll only ask you was it the experiences or was it the Holy Spirit that led you to Christ?
At some point coupled with the Word you were convinced and believed in Him.
The experiences with no message are just feelings.

 

[Jimbone]

what she is saying is dangerous.. How can you lead someone to Christ without taking them to the word. So no. I do not think someone will be saved apart from being given the word. whether orally, or by the letter, where they can read it. the word must come in some place..

Peter said the words you speak are what gives us eternal life.

Paul told timothy, they scripture gave him knowledge for salvation.

Scripture is Gods word.. you can not separate the two

Well I had heard the word before, and I did have an idea about what the gospel was, but I NEVER opened the bible or studied ANY scripture before He saved me. Don't get me wrong I had sat in church and I knew a very small part of what it was about, and especially AFTER I was saved I went strait to it and to this day can't get enough, but honestly God came and scooped me up. I know everyone is different and salvation is a very personal thing, and not many I know or anyone really, was saved like I was, but I didn't have a whole lot of scripture before regeneration. Now I agree with you in the fact we do have to know the gospel at least somewhat, and I agree that after I was saved I went strait to it to verify and see what had really happen to me, but I agree with her in the fact that once it happens you just KNOW His voice and it points you strait to scripture and His word.

 

[Grace777x70]

In my view the bible is the most beautiful book in the world and at the same time the most dangerous book. The bible read with the natural mind comes up with lot's of different things and then traditions get set in motion which become the "established truth". Then this mindset can be hard to combat.

We are just as dependent on the Holy Spirit to give us revelation on what the scriptures are saying about what Christ has done for us - as Mary was dependent on the Holy Spirit to conceive Jesus in her womb.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think I see your thoughts here...let me ask, what do you make of these verses? How do you read them? Understand them?
My sheep know My voice.
You will hear a voice behind you saying go to your left or right.

It's okay if you don't see them the same as me. It's okay if you've never given them much thought. It's even okay if you have no idea what they mean. I' not mean and I won't attack you.

1st thing I have to ask, is where did you get those two sayings from.. If it were not for scripture. would we even be debating what those words mean?

as for what the words means, It must be taken in context.

10 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. [SUP]3 [/SUP]To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” [SUP]6 [/SUP]Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. [SUP]8 [/SUP]All who ever came before Me[SUP][a][/SUP] are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. [SUP]9 [/SUP]I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. [SUP]10 [/SUP]The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

There is the context.

Now how can we know the difference between Christ and the thieves and robbers unless we have scripture?

Did not the apostles go out and show who Christ was by reasoning from scripture. And did not scripture say a certain people were more noble because they did not just listen to paul blindly, but tested everything he said..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well I had heard the word before, and I did have an idea about what the gospel was, but I NEVER opened the bible or studied ANY scripture before He saved me. Don't get me wrong I had sat in church and I knew a very small part of what it was about, and especially AFTER I was saved I went strait to it and to this day can't get enough, but honestly God came and scooped me up. I know everyone is different and salvation is a very personal thing, and not many I know or anyone really, was saved like I was, but I didn't have a whole lot of scripture before regeneration. Now I agree with you in the fact we do have to know the gospel at least somewhat, and I agree that after I was saved I went strait to it to verify and see what had really happen to me, but I agree with her in the fact that once it happens you just KNOW His voice and it points you strait to scripture and His word.

So how could you be saved apart from the gospel? Just asking. what saved you?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah, from my second post in this thread on, I have quoted Scripture
a number of times. Scripture affirms what I have been saying

so then you are relying on scripture. why did you not just say that, we could have prevented a lot of posts if you would have just admitted scripture is the basis of all things, not just blindly listening to someone or something speak into your head..

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And many have been led astray because they think they hear the voice of the Shepherd but it is bleating wolves. They weren't grounded in God's Word.

The gifts and the calling of God are without repentance. Many will be called and chosen by God first, and then they will be led to the Word. Remember no man can come to the Son (Word) except the Father first draws him.