Tithe!

[StandingFirmInChrist]

And there was war in Heaven: God opposed the Holy Spirit...

Wait a minute!! What Bible are you reading from? Where is that found in the Bible?

The answer my friends, is it is found, not in the Bible, but rather it is found in the pulpits of many Churches around the world today, as well in the homes of many misinformed Christians.

Oh, the preacher may not use those exact words. But he might as well use them. Those words are no different than the words he speaks when he tells his congregation that God requires them to tithe their money to the Church.

I have searched every instance of tithing where it is commanded in the Bible and, amazingly, I find the only people God ever commanded to tithe were those who lived in Canaan.

At the Jerusalem Council in A.D. 51, (Acts 15) the Holy Ghost and the Apostles made a decision concerning what was required of the Gentile Believers.

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

"No greater burden than these necessary things." Tithing is not mentioned as one of those "necessary things."

When a pastor teaches his congregation that God requires a tithe of their money, when a family member teaches those in his household that God requires monetary tithes,that pastor and that family memberis guilty of pitting God in opposition to the decision of the Holy Ghost in Acts 15.

Mark 3:25 And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.

Yet, the Bible teaches us that God and His Holy Spirit are in agreement with one another.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Not once in the epistles is there any instruction given for Gentile Believers to tithe their money to the New Testament Church.

If the command is not in the Bible, we can come to no other conclusion than that it is a man-made command and not a God-ordained directive.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Jesus Christ said of the Pharisees that their worship was in vain because of their teaching commandments of man as if they were of God. When we teach that God requires something today, we'd best have Scripture to support our teaching. Otherwise, we are as guilty as the Pharisees in Matthew 15.

Friends, be as the Bereans in Acts 17:11. Search the Scriptures to see if what I have written is in agreement with the Word of God. If you do a diligent study, you will find it is absolutely 100% in agreement. You will find that the one you are being obedient to by tithing your money is not God at all. Rather, it is obedience to the man who is teaching contrary to the decision of the Holy Ghost and the Apostles.

Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

 

[fredoheaven]

I have quoted the Scriptures that emphatically state that God's holy tithe is agricultural. Even in the last place they are commanded in the Bible, they are still according to the Law, i.e.; agricultural.

when you say they are money, you are not agreeing with God concerning His holy tithe at all. Rather, you are agreeing with a doctrine invented by man.

Hi sir,

The agricultural tithe arguments end here because Abraham tithes on a spoil...is there amendment from the original spoil into agricultural? There's none! Is then agricultural wrong? Not really...

God bless

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Hi sir,

The agricultural tithe arguments end here because Abraham tithes on a spoil...is there amendment from the original spoil into agricultural? There's none! Is then agricultural wrong? Not really...

God bless

Actually, there is indeed an amendment.

The tithe prior to the Law was from spoils of war. (Genesis 14:16,20; Hebrews 7:4) However, in the Law, war spoils were not tithed at all. Instead, less than 1% of spoils was required. (Numbers 31)

Your argument fails.

God's Word is Truth. It clearly demonstrates that once the Law was established, only agricultural tithes could be given.

Further, God's Word states that we are not to be under a dictated giving system, but are to give as we choose in our own hearts to give.

 

[fredoheaven]

Actually, there is indeed an amendment.

The tithe prior to the Law was from spoils of war. (Genesis 14:16,20; Hebrews 7:4) However, in the Law, war spoils were not tithed at all. Instead, less than 1% of spoils was required. (Numbers 31)

Your argument fails.

God's Word is Truth. It clearly demonstrates that once the Law was established, only agricultural tithes could be given.

Further, God's Word states that we are not to be under a dictated giving system, but are to give as we choose in our own hearts to give.

Numbers 31:29 Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.

Numbers 31: 32 And the booty, being the rest of the prey which the men of war had caught, was six hundred thousand and seventy thousand and five thousand sheep,

Numbers 31:37 And the LORD'S tribute of the sheep was six hundred and threescore and fifteen.
Numbers 31: 41 And Moses gave the tribute, which was the LORD'S heave offering, unto Eleazar the priest, as the LORD commanded Moses.

Hi,
The issue is tithe Agricultural only? As I have written Abram paid on booty too. So the agricultural tithe only is simply not true.

Like “Bereans” as said, Numbers 31 has nothing to do with tithes. It’s all about giving of “…tribute, which was the LORD’s heave offering…

He cares,

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Numbers 31 is NOT a tithe. It is NOT a tenth.

once the agricultural tithe was instituted in the Law, the tithing of war spoils ceased.

as I said earlier, your argument fails.

 

[fredoheaven]

At the Jerusalem Council in A.D. 51, (Acts 15) the Holy Ghost and the Apostles made a decision concerning what was required of the Gentile Believers.

Acts 15:28-29 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

"No greater burden than these necessary things." Tithing is not mentioned as one of those "necessary things."
If the command is not in the Bible, we can come to no other conclusion than that it is a man-made command and not a God-ordained directive.

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Then again, this solidify the position of tithes since there was no condemnation or to abrogate the practice of tithing in the New Testament. The mere of absence of Apostolic command does not invalidate the principle or teaching of tithes.

God bless,

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Actually, there is indeed an abrogation to tithing in the New Testament.

Leviticus 27:30-34 & Malachi 3:7-10 identify the tithe as an ordinance, i.e.; a command.

Ephesians 2:14-15 tell us that the ordinances were abolished by Jesus Christ. Further, Hebrews 7:18 states that there is a disannulling of the command. What command? The only command previously spoken of is a command concerning tithing.

There is no command to take tithes anymore, so it is wrong to teach that one should tithe.

 

[fredoheaven]

Numbers 31 is NOT a tithe. It is NOT a tenth.

once the agricultural tithe was instituted in the Law, the tithing of war spoils ceased.

as I said earlier, your argument fails.

Hi sir,

then the evidence presented -Numbers 31 fails because it's about heave offerings.

Thank you

 

[fredoheaven]

Actually, there is indeed an abrogation to tithing in the New Testament.

Leviticus 27:30-34 & Malachi 3:7-10 identify the tithe as an ordinance, i.e.; a command.

Ephesians 2:14-15 tell us that the ordinances were abolished by Jesus Christ. Further, Hebrews 7:18 states that there is a disannulling of the command. What command? The only command previously spoken of is a command concerning tithing.

There is no command to take tithes anymore, so it is wrong to teach that one should tithe.

Then again here is the scripture in Ephesians 2:14-15, there nothing said of tithing but circumcision which is part of the Law...this is so because it tithing did not commence in the Law or even the ten commandments...it was only incorporated into the Law...

 

[fredoheaven]

Actually, there is indeed an abrogation to tithing in the New Testament.

Leviticus 27:30-34 & Malachi 3:7-10 identify the tithe as an ordinance, i.e.; a command.

Ephesians 2:14-15 tell us that the ordinances were abolished by Jesus Christ. Further, Hebrews 7:18 states that there is a disannulling of the command. What command? The only command previously spoken of is a command concerning tithing.

There is no command to take tithes anymore, so it is wrong to teach that one should tithe.

Hi Sir,

refer to post 113 in regards to this issue if you may

thanks

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

REphesians 2:15 is not speaking of circumcision only, but of all the ordinances.

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV) 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

notice it says commandments, not commandment. It is plural, not singular.

the fact that it says "commandments contained in ordinances" shows that it is speaking of all ordinances written in the Law.

Further, as was pointed out previously by Dino, Galatians, Romans and Acts 15 prove we are noy under the Law and are not to allow ourselves to be bewitched into placing ourselves under the Law.

There is to be no Law over our giving.

 

[fredoheaven]

REphesians 2:15 is not speaking of circumcision only, but of all the ordinances.

Ephesians 2:15 (KJV) 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, [even] the law of commandments [contained] in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace;

notice it says commandments, not commandment. It is plural, not singular.

the fact that it says "commandments contained in ordinances" shows that it is speaking of all ordinances written in the Law.

Further, as was pointed out previously by Dino, Galatians, Romans and Acts 15 prove we are noy under the Law and are not to allow ourselves to be bewitched into placing ourselves under the Law.

There is to be no Law over our giving.

Ok thank you sir,

what you have previously posted is that the "...only command previously spoken of is a command of concerning tithing." post 267 which I have refuted.

God bless

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Ok thank you sir,

what you have previously posted is that the "...only command previously spoken of is a command of concerning tithing." post 267 which I have refuted.

God bless

Don't kid yourself. You have NOT refuted anything I have said concerning God's holy tithe.

 

[fredoheaven]

Don't kid yourself. You have NOT refuted anything I have said concerning God's holy tithe.

That would be a wise statement and this will put us into stalemate even I would not dare refute the principles of tithes because it is in the scriptures.

God bless

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

Principle - a standard, rule or Law.

In the Bible, the standard tithe was agricultural, not the monetary income tithe you advocate.

 

[fredoheaven]

Principle - a standard, rule or Law.

In the Bible, the standard tithe was agricultural, not the monetary income tithe you advocate.

I love standard of faith not the law. that's Abraham!

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

I love standard of faith not the law. that's Abraham!

LAbram's tithe was not of his own property. Nor was it of his own household income. Again, not the tithe you advocate.

 

[fredoheaven]

Principle - a standard, rule or Law.

In the Bible, the standard tithe was agricultural, not the monetary income tithe you advocate.

I am not an advocate of money tithing only, the fruit of the ground and everything as the Lord provides, can be a source of my tithe. As said everything is of the Lord. Again, what principle am I talking is the tenth of everything I may possess not what you are trying to pontificate about the LAW.

God bless

 

[StandingFirmInChrist]

The alleged principle you speak of is NOT supported by the Bible.

 

[fredoheaven]

The principle is Abraham paid his tithes without any command by God to him...