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You've made plenty of "noise" in this thread. Your "noise" is in support of tithing.
Since you're a pro-tither, I have a question: which of the O.T. tithes are you paying?
I don't make much noise at all. Maybe my few posts have hit a nerve with their simplicity of truth. My tithe is to the Lord and given to the storehouse, the local church. I am not living under the Old Covenant but furthering the New Covenant Church as God would have me do.
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MYOB?
I wasnt aware that this was a one sided debate ? That would be kinda boring wouldnt it. This thread is NOT about not giving but it is about giving according to the new covenant. Your comment is childish. MYOB?
Perhaps you can point us to the verse where God said that the Church is now the storehouse? Also, point us to the verse that says He amended His holy tithe and it is now money?
thanks in advance.
thanks in advance.
Hi sir,
I have to agree that the teaching of tithes is not only for money, everything you posses can be a good source of tithe. But not only agricultural so to speak. After all, God owns everything. If its only a thought of money then I would like to borrow what Apostle Paul have said in Acts 8:20 "... thy money perish with thee..." It would be better if we put the whole scriptural teaching and principles of tithes in its entirety.
God bless
MYOB?
I wasnt aware that this was a one sided debate ? That would be kinda boring wouldnt it. This thread is NOT about not giving but it is about giving according to the new covenant. Your comment is childish. MYOB?
Yes, those who are against the tithe can simply not tithe, and keep their noses out of the business of those who do and enjoy it.
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I have quoted the Scriptures that emphatically state that God's holy tithe is agricultural. Even in the last place they are commanded in the Bible, they are still according to the Law, i.e.; agricultural.
when you say they are money, you are not agreeing with God concerning His holy tithe at all. Rather, you are agreeing with a doctrine invented by man.
actually, since the very first post in this thread was a tither asking for help, those who have the answers should answer. Not your place at all to tell non-tither's to "MYOB" if they have the answers,... and we do have the answers.
Even if I had a vegetable garden, I would still be exempt from having to tithe.
The Bible is my authority, not the preacher that preaches that we must tithe in my town.
God said that His holy tithe must come from agricultural produce and livestock from the land of Canaan,... not Mississippi
This is what I said.
Who are you replying to? Because what you said doesnt apply to what I said. You have gotten really nasty today. You are no longer my friend.
Non-tithers can do what they want. When God puts His finger on us to tithe, it behooves us to obey Him, and not non-tithers. In that sense, they need to MYOB. or risk grieving God.
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Hebrews 5:8-10 Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.
Hebrews 7:1-4 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Hebrews 8:3-6 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
I personally believe in tithing according to these scriptures, I have received the Blessing in my life after tithing especially in times of need. Right or wrong, all I know I'm Blessed. I tithe to God not man.
God is not going to overwrite His Word. His Word says His tithe is agricultural, not monetary.
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He said in His Word that His tithe was to only come from the land of Canaan.
someone may be telling you to tithe your money, but I can assure you it isn't God.
One tenth of our increase is money, today. God has indeed spoken to me about this, thanks. I would also thank you and others to not be telling me what God says to me to do, or what He doesn't say, just I don't stand telling any of you what you should or shouldn't do in the way of giving to God.
Tithing is a personal matter between God and His individual people. It is spiritually discerned. If He is not telling you to bring a tithe to Him, then don't do it, but don't tell people not to do what He lays on their hearts to do. That's the devil's job.
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are you tithing according to those Scriptures?
According to those Scriptures, the tithe was not Abram's household income, but the spoils of war. Stolen property that Abram had recovered.
so tell me, are you tithing from war spoils, that which is not your household income? Something tells me that you are not.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for myself I will say this: it's a doctrinal issue, no less than the deity of Christ or the necessity of baptism. If I see my brothers and sisters believing and doing something which is not aligned with the whole counsel of Scripture, should I remain silent?
For years I paid a tenth of my income to my local church, under the belief that it was the biblically-sound thing to do. Then I started to question it, because the alleged blessings (Malachi 3) simply weren't appearing. I did a lot of reading, looked up every single reference in scripture and read many books and articles on the subject. I spent many weeks looking into it, and found that, without exception, every article or book in support of tithing violated one or more principles of sound hermeneutics. Not that the non-tithing articles were exempt, but many were sound.
I came to the conclusion that tithing is part of the Old Covenant. Yes, it is mentioned before Moses, in Genesis 14 and 28. However, it is not commanded before Moses, whereas circumcision is. Galatians explains clearly that circumcision is not necessary, so the argument that tithing is still necessary (because it was mentioned before Moses) is absolutely groundless. Some have said that tithing was never abrogated... well neither was stoning homosexuals and persistently wayward children, but as Christians we don't do those things. Read Acts 15:1-35.
Many people conflate 'giving' with 'tithing', or think that people who don't tithe, don't give at all. Both are incorrect! Mostly, the people who are against tithing are against the legalistic interpretation which says Christians are under some scriptural obligation to tithe. I've read many such arguments in this thread. I can show Scripture to refute them, but only the Holy Spirit can impart the truth to our hearts.
Dear brothers and sisters in Christ, we are free from the Law. It has been fulfilled completely in Christ. Let's not put ourselves under that yoke again, for if we think that we must tithe to gain, earn, or maintain God's favour, we have fallen from grace. If we must tithe, then we must uphold the entire Law... read Galatians 5:3-4.
Should we give from our income? Yes! Should we support the local church and Christian ministries? Yes! Should we give generously, and even sacrificially at times? Yes! But none of these equate to tithing; they simply are not the same thing!
We can discuss all day of what the OT tithe(s) actually consisted, or how many times it is mentioned in the NT, or what the storehouse is, but frankly those are red herrings.
Rather, let me invite all those who still believe that tithing is required to read Galatians (and Romans, Hebrews, and particularly Acts 15) carefully. If you think you can refute the Jerusalem Council and Paul's arguments and defend your belief, I welcome you to try. I also suggest that you accept the amazing grace of God as offered to us in Jesus Christ, who has set us free from the Law.
They had money under the Law, yet it was not considered titheable increase.
Regardless, in the last place Tithing is seen as a command, it is still agricultural. No one has the right to change it to money when God said it was agricultural.
no one has the right to change it to a global tithe when God said it was to be from Canaan only.