“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown

[royalscot]

In a recent CharismaNews article, Dr. Michael Brown confronts what he calls the “dangerous error” of the hyper-grace movement. He describes the foundational doctrines of this movement as follows; (1) we have been made righteous by the blood of Jesus, (2) all our sins have been forgiven, (3) the Holy Spirit never convicts believers of sin, and (4) we need never repent for nor confess our sins.

All this sounds like the end of the world is upon us....Let's have a look at what is being said.....

“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown – Escape to Reality

opinion vary. yet i dont know how to write this without being rude. so please look at the gist not the wording.

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worker- works for an employer , doing some tasks the employer wants done.(not involving sex) because of the need for money. etc

so knowing the difference between who wants you to work for money, and who wants you to be free, to enjoy you life.
is the difference between brother, or man made achievements.

good to know, the true way to be connected.

 

[Grace777x70]

Oh..sorry....it was put forth that the "body of teaching" was different then "the faith"..that Paul preached...not that the commentaries said that..the commentaries were just used to back up the previous statement as if there was a difference.

I was talking about the commentary. Not what jude said.

You mocked the commentary, so I was asking what was wrong with it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh..sorry....it was put forth that the "body of teaching" was different then "the faith"..that Paul preached...not that the commentaries said that..the commentaries were just used to back up the previous statement as if there was a difference.

I think you misunderstood him. I did not see that, And I know Crossnote does not believe that.

Paul taught the same faith everyone else did from gen to revelation.

Remember the nereans had to to go to the OT to tests aus teaching, because he taught from the old

(I sure would have loved to hear one of pauls teachings)

 

[FreeNChrist]

grace is free

So yeah, it is cheap.

However, it has a price. The blood of the lamb.

It's free, not cheap.

 

[crossnote]

The guy thinks John Crowder is a good example. Seriously, what hope is there?

Yeah, the Crowder guy was despicable in the videos. A terrible example.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's free, not cheap.

in my case it is, it was free

For the one who paid for it, It was not..

That's the point I was making.

 

[FreeNChrist]

That's true, but gnostics turn it to crap (which is pretty cheap).

Gnostics don't believe they need grace.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gnostics don't believe they need grace.

They need Knowledge,, thus the tern Gnostic.

 

[Willie-T]

who is this prince character? I am confused, I must have missed something

And why are we talking about what men say again?

I mention these things because just about ALL the men (from ancient times, till today) that I have read have had some good things to say... and then, some things I just ignore. Some people, however, somehow think you must align yourself staunchly behind a particular man, a certain group, or a distinct way of thinking, in order to follow Christ.

They seem to be of the opinion that any one person has to be all correct, or all in error. I have found not even one man to fall into such a category.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I mention these things because just about ALL the men (from ancient times, till today) that I have read have had some good things to say... and then, some things I just ignore. Some people, however, somehow think you must align yourself staunchly behind a particular man, a certain group, or a distinct way of thinking, in order to follow Christ.

They seem to be of the opinion that any one person has to be all correct, or all in error. I have found not even one man to fall into such a category.

I agree.. I have yet to find even a pastor I agree 100 percent with. If we look for a church were we agree 100 % with, we most likely would never find one.

Then again, some people may use that as an excuse not to go to church. lol

 

[Grace777x70]

Maybe there was a mis-understandig then..it looked like there was a difference between "the faith" and " "a body of teaching" handed down to us...I think they are the exact same thing....if that is not what crossnote meant...then I will apologize to him..

I would like to have heard Paul preach too. we do have a record of him preaching the gospel though..word by word in Acts. at Antioch..

I think you misunderstood him. I did not see that, And I know Crossnote does not believe that.

Paul taught the same faith everyone else did from gen to revelation.

Remember the nereans had to to go to the OT to tests aus teaching, because he taught from the old

(I sure would have loved to hear one of pauls teachings)

 

[crossnote]

who is this prince character? I am confused, I must have missed something

And why are we talking about what men say again?

It was the vid 77grace posted.

 

[Grace777x70]

Willie..I think that doctrine of the Father turning His back on Jesus is a terrible one..it undermines what happened at the cross in my view..It skews our view of the Father...I cringe when I hear Prince say that..

 

[Grace777x70]

crossnote ..If I have mis-understood you....I apologize to you. I know you are a man of God that loves the Lord with all your being....forgive me..

 

[Willie-T]

I agree.. I have yet to find even a pastor I agree 100 percent with. If we look for a church were we agree 100 % with, we most likely would never find one.

Then again, some people may use that as an excuse not to go to church. lol

Truthfully? I disagree with my own preacher on many things. And I even find some things I don't go along with in the Vineyard SOF. But it is like our country and president, in that respect...... I mean, where are ya gonna go that is any better? I ain't seen none in 70 long years.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Yeah, the Crowder guy was despicable in the videos. A terrible example.

Never heard of him till he was brought into this thread, and that as the result of yet another Google search no doubt.

 

[Grace777x70]

He was a tab bit extreme when he was younger.. to say the least...lol

Never heard of him till he was brought into this thread, and that as the result of yet another Google search no doubt.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Truthfully? I disagree with my own preacher on many things. And I even find some things I don't go along with in the Vineyard SOF. But it is like our country and president, in that respect...... I mean, where are ya gonna go that is any better? I ain't seen none in 70 long years.

Really. Lots of Christians in the last 2000 years have had some good things to say. Doesn't mean they got it all right, and it doesn't mean we agree with what they got wrong.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Prince is wrong in several things. For one, he thinks God specifically and deliberately punished Jesus on the cross.

I agree with you 100% Willie..

I don't agree with what Prince says about that either..there are a few things I don't believe like the tithing thing...that's another..but the faith and the grace of Christ..that I'm with him on..

So Jesus sorta accidentally got into trouble?

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put [him] to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see [his] seed, he shall prolong [his] days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. Isaiah 53:10​

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Never heard of him till he was brought into this thread, and that as the result of yet another Google search no doubt.

No doubt to find the video, but I've known about Crowder for years. Didn't know about the connection between Hyper-GreasyGrace and the Emergent mvmt, though, until GreasyGrace777 fell in love with him. Now it all makes sense.