“Confronting the Error of Hyper-Grace” – a response to Michael Brown

[popeye]

Oh, you people. "Someone told me something.... they then gave it a label.... now I hate it."

"What is it? Uh, I really have no idea, but it's whatever they said it was.... and they told me it was bad. So, I believe that."

Weird that this gets rehashed daily

 

[crossnote]

"The faith" is being handed down to all of us....and it is faith in the righteousness of God through Jesus and His finished work....there is no other "faith"..there is only one!

"The faith" that God had once for all entrusted to the saints is the body of truths taught by the apostles. The term "the faith," used also in Galatians 1:23 and 1 Timothy 4:1, refers to things believed. The false teachings of the apostates called for the believers to contend hepagônizesthai, "agonize earnestly") with all diligence in defense of those truths, which ungodly men were trying to destroy. In effect Jude said, "Let us hold firmly to the faith we profess" (Heb. 4:14). Jude 1:3
(Bible Knowledge Commentary)

I can site many more commentaries but I suppose if Prince doesn't agree neither will you.

 

[Willie-T]

Weird that this gets rehashed daily

Yeah, and we continue to keep right on doing it. Oh, well, even Jesus looked at His own disciples after three years, and basically said, "Three years of rehashing this daily, and you STILL can't get it?"

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Nope. The message of Gods Grace comes from the Bible.

Prince was using faith in the sense of justification by faith. Jude is using it as the body of teaching handed down by the apostles and prophets. I hope Prince hasn't blinded you so much you can't see the difference.

The guy thinks John Crowder is a good example. Seriously, what hope is there?

 

[Grace777x70]

It is the same "faith"....faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and in His righteousness....of course faith mean things believed....the things about Jesus Christ ...here is only one faith..

"The faith" that God had once for all entrusted to the saints is the body of truths taught by the apostles. The term "the faith," used also in Galatians 1:23 and 1 Timothy 4:1, refers to things believed. The false teachings of the apostates called for the believers to contend hepagônizesthai, "agonize earnestly") with all diligence in defense of those truths, which ungodly men were trying to destroy. In effect Jude said, "Let us hold firmly to the faith we profess" (Heb. 4:14). Jude 1:3
(Bible Knowledge Commentary)

I can site many more commentaries but I suppose if Prince doesn't agree neither will you.

 

[Grace777x70]

Error and heresy are not new to the church. This happened in the first century A.D., and it’s been happening ever since. These people that Jude is speaking against were proclaiming that sin was all right because of the grace extended to us through Jesus. Jude equates that to denying the Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. It is true that we don’t lose our salvation because of sin. Jesus paid for all of our sins: past, present, and even future-tense ones (see my notes at Hebrews 9:12, 15; and 10:14). But that doesn’t make it okay for us to sin. Sin is a direct inroad of the devil into our lives (see my note at Romans 6:16), and those who are truly born again don’t want to sin (see my note at 1 John 3:9). Anyone who would encourage people to sin is not truly
Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.

 

[Grace777x70]

Ok..now I see...there are no actual scriptures....just what the commentaries said about it..gotcha!..

"The faith" that God had once for all entrusted to the saints is the body of truths taught by the apostles. The term "the faith," used also in Galatians 1:23 and 1 Timothy 4:1, refers to things believed. The false teachings of the apostates called for the believers to contend hepagônizesthai, "agonize earnestly") with all diligence in defense of those truths, which ungodly men were trying to destroy. In effect Jude said, "Let us hold firmly to the faith we profess" (Heb. 4:14). Jude 1:3
(Bible Knowledge Commentary)

I can site many more commentaries but I suppose if Prince doesn't agree neither will you.

 

[Grace777x70]

Have you ever read commentaries about what some "theologian" said that 'speaking in tongues " is passed away?....despite what the scriptures say..LOL..come on..there is only one "faith"..in Jesus!

 

[crossnote]

It is the same "faith"....faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and in His righteousness....of course faith mean things believed....the things about Jesus Christ ...here is only one faith..

Just can't admit Prince may be wrong can you.

Justifying faith is where we place our trust in Jesus Christ (That is what Prince used to teach on Jude 1:3)

The faith handed down to us is what we receive through the testimonies of the apostles (That is actually what Jude is referring to).

I'm not going to carry on with this infantile argument, like I said if Prince is your cup of tea, drink.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Have you ever read commentaries about what some "theologian" said that 'speaking in tongues " is passed away?....despite what the scriptures say..LOL..come on..there is only one "faith"..in Jesus!

so what did you disagree about in what crossnote showed in that commentary, I did not see anything wrong with it..

 

[james57]

Error and heresy are not new to the church. This happened in the first century A.D., and it’s been happening ever since. These people that Jude is speaking against were proclaiming that sin was all right because of the grace extended to us through Jesus. Jude equates that to denying the Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. It is true that we don’t lose our salvation because of sin. Jesus paid for all of our sins: past, present, and even future-tense ones (see my notes at Hebrews 9:12, 15; and 10:14). But that doesn’t make it okay for us to sin. Sin is a direct inroad of the devil into our lives (see my note at Romans 6:16), and those who are truly born again don’t want to sin (see my note at 1 John 3:9). Anyone who would encourage people to sin is not truly
Andrew Wommack's Living Commentary.

Simply state under the new covenant God made provision that cut out a licence to sin as Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness
Before it us stated your sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more something else was mentioned

 

[Willie-T]

Just can't admit Prince may be wrong can you.

Justifying faith is where we place our trust in Jesus Christ (That is what Prince used to teach on Jude 1:3)

The faith handed down to us is what we receive through the testimonies of the apostles (That is actually what Jude is referring to).

I'm not going to carry on with this infantile argument, like I said if Prince is your cup of tea, drink.

Prince is wrong in several things. For one, he thinks God specifically and deliberately punished Jesus on the cross.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just can't admit Prince may be wrong can you.

Justifying faith is where we place our trust in Jesus Christ (That is what Prince used to teach on Jude 1:3)

The faith handed down to us is what we receive through the testimonies of the apostles (That is actually what Jude is referring to).

I'm not going to carry on with this infantile argument, like I said if Prince is your cup of tea, drink.

I agree, the faith is the gospel and everything included with it.. Stating from gen 1: 1 all the way to revelations.. It is all of faith.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Even Emergents can't define themselves...that's pretty sad, if not bad.
I hope you know what you believe and why.

Emergents are all about NOT defining themselves. That would be one of their core doctrines. It's all about the journey and the experience. Every man has his own truth. It's all relative. Truth gets in the way of experience.

These are the ones feasting together without reverence, hidden reefs at your love feasts, caring for themselves, waterless clouds carried away by winds, late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, uprooted, wild waves of the sea foaming up their own shameful deeds, wandering stars, for whom the deep gloom of darkness has been reserved for eternity. Jude 1:12-13​

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Prince is wrong in several things. For one, he thinks God specifically and deliberately punished Jesus on the cross.

who is this prince character? I am confused, I must have missed something

And why are we talking about what men say again?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

"The faith" is being handed down to all of us....and it is faith in the righteousness of God through Jesus and His finished work....there is no other "faith"..there is only one!

Faith in Jesus Christ is faith in every word of God, just as Jesus Christ is the very Word of God.

Luke 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Abraham believed the words of God and it was counted to him as righteousness=same faith in the word of God=faith in Jesus Christ.

 

[Grace777x70]

There is nothing wrong with the scriptures that refer to "the faith"...the "body of teaching" is the faith in Jesus and His finished work...there is only one faith...it's in Christ as our righteousness....

so what did you disagree about in what crossnote showed in that commentary, I did not see anything wrong with it..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Emergents are all about NOT defining themselves. That would be one of their core doctrines. It's all about the journey and the experience. Every man has his own truth. It's all relative.

These are the ones feasting together without reverence, hidden reefs at your love feasts, caring for themselves, waterless clouds carried away by winds, late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, uprooted, wild waves of the sea foaming up their own shameful deeds, wandering stars, for whom the deep gloom of darkness has been reserved for eternity. Jude 1:12-13​

Yep and Jesus is not even but a side note..

So why are people trying to compare churches who believe in the finish work of Christ as the basis for their gospel with an emergent church who thinks we all are one no matter what particular Christ or god we believe in. lets all be happy..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is nothing wrong with the scriptures that refer to "the faith"...the "body of teaching" is the faith in Jesus and His finished work...there is only one faith...it's in Christ as our righteousness....

I was talking about the commentary. Not what jude said.

You mocked the commentary, so I was asking what was wrong with it.

 

[Grace777x70]

I agree with you 100% Willie..

I don't agree with what Prince says about that either..there are a few things I don't believe like the tithing thing...that's another..but the faith and the grace of Christ..that I'm with him on..

Prince is wrong in several things. For one, he thinks God specifically and deliberately punished Jesus on the cross.