blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

[PeterJens]

there is no unpardonable sin

You are 100% contradicting Jesus in this regard. How Jesus tempers the statement is you will have to give account. He is not saying what it regarded as a sin in this regard, but does clearly state it is possible.

The pharisees were so hard hearted nothing the Holy Spirit did would make any difference.

For many christians they think Jesus is talking about a stray thought, or rebellion, but Jesus is just being very clear. Calling a work of grace, which clearly is from the Holy Spirit a work of satan is a sin against the Holy Spirit.

But who among born again christians has done this? If people have come close they should seriously look at how they are behaving, because there is no need for this behaviour, and it is dangerous.

 

[Magenta]

I think some people within the cessationist group could qualify for this term.

This strongly suggests that those promoting error are guilty of blasphemy.

 

[CS1]

This strongly suggests that those promoting error are guilty of blasphemy.

well it is his own opinion Magenta the truth is the bible has the gospel accounts of what Jesus said about this. And He Jesus said it all before the Cross. The reason why it is an issue with some is because some Doctrines use this sin to attack people who do not agree with them about their teachings and try to control other with you have done the unforgivable sin.
read all areas of Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit in the gospels and the words of Jesus pray about it .

 

[RickyZ]

I personally do not think being a cessasionalist is blasphemy, it mainly is being honest, but it could lead to such a thing.

Exactly. Make no mistake that there are bonafide valid gifts of the Holy Spirit at work these days, that's why satan works so hard to muddy those waters. When one experiences a bonafide work of the Spirit, and says it is not of the Holy Spirit, that becomes a very dangerous slope because the only other explanation is that it came from the devil.

 

[RickyZ]

This strongly suggests that those promoting error are guilty of blasphemy.

It's not promoting error, it's promoting a very specific error.

 

[notuptome]

Exactly. Make no mistake that there are bonafide valid gifts of the Holy Spirit at work these days, that's why satan works so hard to muddy those waters. When one experiences a bonafide work of the Spirit, and says it is not of the Holy Spirit, that becomes a very dangerous slope because the only other explanation is that it came from the devil.

Someone who has the Holy Spirit within their heart cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the discerner of spirits.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[P1LGR1M]

Hi the mark 3: 22 and verses 23 to 30 is consistent with the other gospels verse 30 said he has an "unclean spirit" They said Jesus had one not that the holy Spirit was one and Jesus was let them know what they said about him and his work being attribute to the work of the devil was blasphemy of the Holy Spirit But they were speaking about Jesus and not the Holy Spirit it was Jesus who informed them to what they did not know. The question I have for you is if they did blasphemy the Holy Spirit then they did the unforgivable and they are eternally lost right? is that the conclusion of those chapters?

Keep in mind being "in danger of Hell fire" is only possible while being alive. Forgiveness is available (for the most part) while one is still alive, because there is still the chance of conversion. This takes place under the Law, and not long after this the New Covenant will be established, so there is no reason not to see those who receive rebuke of Christ as not potential converts in the coming Economy. Paul is a good example of this.

I can say for myself that I blasphemed the Holy Ghost for no less than a year. And possibly longer, because I was (and still am) a very skeptical person, and viewed most "religious" people as frauds. But for about a year I was under conviction and fought it.

In the incident in view, the Ministry of Christ should not be completely equated to the Ministry He performs today. Those who view His Work with contempt and scoff are many. I see no difference between attributing Christ's ministry then and the Ministry God performs today as something unclean as any different. The consistent theme in both Ages is that we understand that it is the power of the Holy Spirit that effects those things associated with Christ. Christ does not say "I cast out devils by the power of God, but we know He did:


Matthew 12:24-28

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

[SUP]26 [/SUP]And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

[SUP]27 [/SUP]And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.


So we take into account that Christ speaks of that coming Economy, though He is not during His ministry declaring it in a revelatory manner. He is accused of performing His ministry by the power of Satan, yet we know that He did so by the power of God. So the warning concerning Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not just for that time (under Law), but reaches into the Economy of the New Covenant Ministry of the Holy Spirit not far away. The warning holds as much validity in that Day Christ uttered it as it does in this day.

The Scribes and Pharisees were in fact resisting the Holy Spirit by attributing Christ's Ministry to Satan. All rejection of Christ's ministry would fall under a category of blasphemy.

Let me ask you a question, who does Christ say "has a devil" here...


Matthew 16:20-23

King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

[SUP]21 [/SUP]From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

[SUP]23 [/SUP]But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.


...?


God bless.

 

[RickyZ]

Someone who has the Holy Spirit within their heart cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is the discerner of spirits.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yeah... that seems to be the issue

 

[KennethC]

This strongly suggests that those promoting error are guilty of blasphemy.

Tell me how one who claims to have the Holy Spirit can deny His gifts exist still or preach against them, who would they be listening to in such cases men or the Holy Spirit ???

 

[PeterJens]

This strongly suggests that those promoting error are guilty of blasphemy.

I do not understand why people get confused about the idea. A work of grace is just that. God blesses the evil and the righteous. Jesus is warning people not to fling around ideas based purely on what people feel is from God or not.

I have seen groups find real emotional reality in Jesus and go extreme and off the rails because they then rejected simple discipline and respect. Now some would say this was because they were deceived and lured away from the faith.

I would say living a life in love and the Spirit is life itself. The church has often had two halves, one applying the principles with intellectual honesty and the other responding to emotions and leading from the Spirit. Both are valid and both can fall into condemning the other as being the work of the enemy.

I have seen here conversations where people have condemned others in this very way, but when you look at the ideas it is a theological position someone has taken, with no apparent evil spirit involvement and probably a real work of grace in someones life.

Ananias and Sapphira lied to the Lord and died. People broke bread in a way that was wrong and died.
Churches has been shown a work of God, rebelled and ended up falling apart.

The Lord is Lord, and His warning needs to be taken seriously. It is always easy to say "I am with the Lord, so those who disagree with me are evil" when we are frail flawed people who are apt to get over enthusiastic about our ideas, and not be patient and loving with those who do not agree. In the extreme you end up like the pharisees from which there is no way back, if you reject the very works of grace He is doing. Some have already done this to me, when I have just shared how the Lord has blessed me.

My conclusion is if you cannot come like a child to works of grace you might find you are in a bad place.

 

[RickyZ]

Tell me how one who claims to have the Holy Spirit can deny His gifts exist still or preach against them, who would they be listening to in such cases men or the Holy Spirit ???

I wasn't going to say it, but yeah, how?

 

[KennethC]

I wasn't going to say it, but yeah, how?

I pose questions like this to others all the time when it comes to speaking on either denying the gifts of the Holy Spirit, or denying the obedience that comes in the faith of Jesus.

How can the Holy Spirit deny Himself when the scriptures clearly says He doesn't ???

How can one call a person their Lord if obedience to them is not required or followed ???

We are told to pick up our cross and follow Him, Paul states it as imitate him as he imitates Christ. Do we think Christ denied and was disobedient to His own commandments, no then why do some teach it is okay for us to deny them and be disobedient ???

They are commandments people not suggestions !!!