blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

[P1LGR1M]

you are correct it is a very serious point as you have stated correctly in the previous posting. The point i was trying to make is Jesus said what it is to blasphemy the Holy Spirit and who he was addressing in the bible is to very clear. When we use what Jesus said to the Pharisees and make it a normitive and suggest one has in fact done the unforgivable sin is very very dangerous.
I don't want to be rude and say " The rest of you are wrong" I think is service us all better is I restate again what Jesus said in Matt 12 and luke 11 but that just me

So do you feel that (1) the Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is limited to the sin in view when the Lord mentions the Blasphemy and (2) can we see the Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost described anywhere else in Scripture?


God bless.

 

[justpassinthrough]

I am sorry but I do not see where Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is " calling the Holy Spirit the devil" I do see where it is saying the Work of the Holy Spirit is of the devil.

24 Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”


They were calling the Spirit, by which Jesus cast out devils, beelzebub. ie; the devil...

for they said; He cast's out spirit's by beelzebub.



JPT

 

[Winningedge]

I've been enlightened by God but sometimes I knowingly sin even though I know it is bad. Have I just committed blaspheme? I have troubles staying away from porn if I go back to it have I blasphemed and re-crucified Christ? Can someone help​

 

[Andrew1]

So the Bible says that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin but it is vague on what exactly blaspheming the Holy Spirit is. What do you think would constitute blaspheming the Holy Spirit?

Matthew 12:31-32 is a tricky passage and it needs to be read carefully, it doesn't specifically say that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin it says:

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

To say that one shall not be forgiven does not say that one shall not be forgiven because they blaspheme the Holy Ghost. Take a look at verse 33-34:

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

It needs to be understood that in verse 24 the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out devils by the power of Beelzebub, When Christ performed miracles before their eyes rather than believing on the evidence they resorted to blasphemously reasoning and declaring out loud that Christ did his miracles by the power of the devil. Verse 33-34 talks about the state of the Pharisees hearts being the underlying cause of why they blasphemed the Holy Ghost and what they spoke out loud was the evidence of what was in their hearts. It was the state of their hearts and their unwillingness to believe which rendered them unforgivable not the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost itself. I don't believe that blaspheming the Holy Ghost in the sense of equating the work of Christ with the work of the devil means someone cannot be forgiven. In the case of the Pharisees it came from the heart and showed in their cases that they were too stubborn and obstinate to believe in Christ's works since they were direct witnesses to his miracles. Anybody who is worried that they have committed the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost should not fret since worrying that your not saved or cannot be saved is a clear sign that your heart is not so stubborn.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Matthew 12:31-32 is a tricky passage and it needs to be read carefully, it doesn't specifically say that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin it says:

"but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

It sure looks like it to me.

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was that Jesus was driving out demons by the Spirit of God and the Pharisees said that he was driving them out by Beelzebul, and thereby calling the Holy Spirit unclean, ergo, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

"Mark 3:30 - He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit"

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What sense does it make that GOD would send his own son to die for our sins so that we could be forgiven, and then lay a snare for us, that we really don't understand, that if done once is unforgivable? It doesn't, it's ridiculous. A believer cannot commit an unforgivable sin. If a believer in GOD's mercy repents of any sin, (s)he will find forgiveness.

Indeed, he who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all, how will he not also, together with him, freely give us all things? Who will bring charges against God’s elect? God is the one who justifies. Who is the one who condemns? Christ Jesus is the one who died, and more than that, who was raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us. Who will separate us from the love of Christ? Will affliction or distress or persecution or hunger or lack of sufficient clothing or danger or the sword? Just as it is written, ​“On account of you we are being put to death the whole day long; we are considered as sheep for slaughter.” No, but in all these things we prevail completely through the one who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:32-39​

 

[oldthennew]

HEB.6:4-5-6.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the Good Word of God, and the Powers of the world to come,

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves
The Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

HEB.6:4-5-6.

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

And have tasted the Good Word of God, and the Powers of the world to come,

If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance, seeing they crucify to themselves
The Son of God afresh, and put Him to an open shame.

Apostasy. Which is exactly why it was said

Watch out, brothers, lest there be in some of you an evil, unbelieving heart, with the result that you fall away from the living God. Hebrews 3:12​

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I wonder if you can blaspheme the Holy Spirit by accident and still be condemned.

Matthew 12:30-32
king James version(KJV)

30.)He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

31.)Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32.)And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
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Paul said that he was a blasphemer but he did it ignorantly In unbelief.

If a person were to get angry and say something bad to GOD and when they cool down they felt bad about It that would be forgiven.

IE
A kid Is immature and says something they didn't fully understand but they said it ignorantly.

But a person who knows/not ignorant says something bad knowing full well what they are saying,IMO would be guilty of blaspeming the HOLY SPIRIT.

In others word they said it trully feeling that way whether they cool down or not.

 

[justpassinthrough]

Matthew 12:31-32 is a tricky passage and it needs to be read carefully, it doesn't specifically say that the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgivable sin it says:

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

To say that one shall not be forgiven does not say that one shall not be forgiven because they blaspheme the Holy Ghost. Take a look at verse 33-34:

33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

It needs to be understood that in verse 24 the Pharisees accused Jesus of casting out devils by the power of Beelzebub, When Christ performed miracles before their eyes rather than believing on the evidence they resorted to blasphemously reasoning and declaring out loud that Christ did his miracles by the power of the devil. Verse 33-34 talks about the state of the Pharisees hearts being the underlying cause of why they blasphemed the Holy Ghost and what they spoke out loud was the evidence of what was in their hearts. It was the state of their hearts and their unwillingness to believe which rendered them unforgivable not the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost itself. I don't believe that blaspheming the Holy Ghost in the sense of equating the work of Christ with the work of the devil means someone cannot be forgiven. In the case of the Pharisees it came from the heart and showed in their cases that they were too stubborn and obstinate to believe in Christ's works since they were direct witnesses to his miracles. Anybody who is worried that they have committed the blasphemy of the Holy Ghost should not fret since worrying that your not saved or cannot be saved is a clear sign that your heart is not so stubborn.

Brother, if a person, any person calls the Holy Spirit, the devil they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.


There are many today who call themselves Christians, yet claim there is no more Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and so they call the spirit by which someone who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaks in new tongues, the Devil.


That is a clear and modern day example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.



Wake Up!



JPT

 

[justpassinthrough]

Matthew 12:30-32
king James version(KJV)

30.)He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

31.)Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32.)And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
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Paul said that he was a blasphemer but he did it ignorantly In unbelief.

If a person were to get angry and say something bad to GOD and when they cool down they felt bad about It that would be forgiven.

IE
A kid Is immature and says something they didn't fully understand but they said it ignorantly.

But a person who knows/not ignorant says something bad knowing full well what they are saying,IMO would be guilty of blaspeming the HOLY SPIRIT.

In others word they said it trully feeling that way whether they cool down or not.

Well said!


JPT

 

[FreeNChrist]

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit is to be so blinded as to identify the activity of God as being the activity of Satan. When confronted with Gods good, they call it evil. When confronted with religious evil, they call it good. Such a totally distorted perspective is evidence of a settled and deliberate defiance of God. Needless to say, such a person remains steadfast in their unbelief in the Son, an unforgivable eternal sin.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Brother, if a person, any person calls the Holy Spirit, the devil they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
There are many today who call themselves Christians, yet claim there is no more Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and so they call the spirit by which someone who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaks in new tongues, the Devil.
That is a clear and modern day example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
Wake Up!
JPT

Very doubtful, because a lot of that activity is of the flesh.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I've been enlightened by God but sometimes I knowingly sin even though I know it is bad. Have I just committed blaspheme? I have troubles staying away from porn if I go back to it have I blasphemed and re-crucified Christ? Can someone help​

At some point whether before during or after watching do you feel your conscious bothering you.

If you do then you are still feeling convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT and are not reprobate.

When a person stops feeling convicted by the HOLY SPIRIT and they know what they are doing is wrong they would not care at any point and that Is why atheist say It doesn't matter what someone tells me I have gotten to the point where I don't care and they are not angry they just don't care.

 

[dcontroversal]

Attributing the work of Jesus to the power of the devil which is a state of unbelief.....one who is not believing in the work of Jesus cannot be forgiven.....a permanent state of unbelief.........it all boils down to faith or no faith....unbelief is unforgivable and to attribute the work of Jesus to the power of the devil is to deny and blaspheme the work of the Holy Spirit...no faith..no forgiveness!

 

[RickyZ]

There are many today who call themselves Christians, yet claim there is no more Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and so they call the spirit by which someone who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaks in new tongues, the Devil.


That is a clear and modern day example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

Which is exactly why Cessationism is such an incredibly dangerous theology.

 

[Andrew1]

"but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

It sure looks like it to me.

The blasphemy of the Holy Spirit was that Jesus was driving out demons by the Spirit of God and the Pharisees said that he was driving them out by Beelzebul, and thereby calling the Holy Spirit unclean, ergo, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

"Mark 3:30 - He said this because they were saying, “He has an impure spirit"

I agree that the Pharasees blasphemed the Holy Spirit by saying that Jesus cast out devils by Beelzebub but read what I said and the biblical passage carefully. The passage does not say that their blasphemy of the Holy Ghost was the cause of their unforgivableness it was rather the outward expression or "symptom" of the state of their hearts. It was their hearts that rendered them unforgivable not their words. If someone did such a thing but didn't really mean it it still would be sinful but it wouldn't be an example of a heart too hard to repent.

 

[PeterJens]

I have taken this problem to be simple. It was obvious Jesus was doing things by Gods power. We are talking taking ill, damaged people and making them whole who then praised God. There was nothing here that was evil or a problem.

The pharisees did not like the implications that this meant Jesus was from the Lord, so blasphemed these works of the spirit.

As christians we equally have to be very careful not to condemn works of grace which are obviously such, because we do not like the theology of the people involved.

The story of Ananias and Saphara demonstrate committed christians can find themselves so confused they bring into question the truth and reality of Gods work.

There is a flip side to this when people fake works of God, boast about and lie about what is happening. This should be opposed, because it brings the name of the Lord into disrepute.

 

[Andrew1]

Brother, if a person, any person calls the Holy Spirit, the devil they are blaspheming the Holy Spirit.


There are many today who call themselves Christians, yet claim there is no more Baptism of the Holy Spirit, and so they call the spirit by which someone who has been Baptized in the Holy Spirit and speaks in new tongues, the Devil.


That is a clear and modern day example of blaspheming the Holy Spirit.



Wake Up!



JPT

I agree that saying the work of the Holy Spirit is the work of the devil is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, but the passage in question deals with what the Pharisees said because of their stubborn hearts. Being able to say what the Pharisees said who had witnessed the miracles of Christ (in the case of the passage the miracle of casting out devils) was a reflection of what was in their hearts. It was their hearts that rendered them unforgivable not their words. I will say that I am one of those who believe that the Holy Spirit is received only once when someone believes in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of their sins and don't believe that Charasmatic "tongues" are scriptural.

 

[Andrew1]

Which is exactly why Cessationism is such an incredibly dangerous theology.

The only danger here is in scaring the pants off genuine Christians who don't understand what Jesus was talking about into believing they were never saved or have lost their salvation because they think they accidentally blasphemed the Holy Ghost. STOP IT!