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[Cup-of-Ruin]

The original text is not in Greek, you are very misleading.

Yes it is we have the manuscripts, they exist, the oldest Bible is in Greek.

The original text is written in Hebrew and for all you know the New Testament could've been written in Hebrew and translated into Greek seeing as we have no original copies or manuscripts.

That is simply a lie, again, the New Testament was written in Greek, we have all the Gospels and the epistles written in Greek, you deny the factual evidence. THE GREEK IS THE ORIGINAL!

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Yes it is we have the manuscripts, they exist, the oldest Bible is in Greek.


That is simply a lie, again, the New Testament was written in Greek, we have all the Gospels and the epistles written in Greek, you deny the factual evidence. THE GREEK IS THE ORIGINAL!

Actually, the manuscripts for the New Testament are written in Greek, you don't know what the original New Testament was , for all you and I know it could've been Hebrew or Aramaic, seeing how Yeshua spoke Aramaic various times in the Gospels, even Paul uses Aramaic and John did as well in Revelation lol. I could go on all day with my Aramaic Hebrew New Testament theory .

 

[Nuhen]

Actually, the manuscripts for the New Testament are written in Greek, you don't know what the original New Testament was , for all you and I know it could've been Hebrew or Aramaic, seeing how Yeshua spoke Aramaic various times in the Gospels, even Paul uses Aramaic and John did as well in Revelation lol. I could go on all day with my Aramaic Hebrew New Testament theory .

Also take into account the fact that ALL the writers of Scripture were Jews, and there's that popular Jewish saying, "I'd rather feed my children pork than teach them Greek."

I'm pretty much with you

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Also take into account the fact that ALL the writers of Scripture were Jews, and there's that popular Jewish saying, "I'd rather feed my children pork than teach them Greek."

I'm pretty much with you

LOL, I love that quote.

 

[Nuhen]

LOL, I love that quote.

Me too XD It fits

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Dude have you ever heard of dead sea scrolls? The Greek is not the original Scriptures.

Dead Sea Scrolls they are mostly written in Aramaic, Greek, Phoenician and Herodian Script, Which make perfect sense as these were the langauges being used, not Masorete Hebrew, there was no 'Hebrew' language when the Dead Sea Scrolls were written 80BC-60AD. The DSS agrees with the LXX more so then the MT, the DSS are still copies in Aramiac, Herodian, Phoenician and Greek of the LXX which is dated to 3rd Century B.C.

Yeshua's name translated into Greek was Iesous that's correct, however He was a Rabbi known by His Hebrew name Yeshua.

Only in your copied Masorete manuscripts. The NT was written in Greek.

No response to the Martin Luther quote, Come on aren't you antisemitics all brothers?

Martin Luther means nothing to me, I think he made a mistake and did not fully understand the reprecussions of the Reformation.

 

[Nuhen]

...Aramaic...Aramiac...

Aramaic is a dialect of Hebrew. The fact that you acknowledge the Scriptures were written in Aramaic yet deny the existence of Hebrew at the time shows how credible you are...or are not, I should say.

Aramaic is a dialect of Hebrew that came about after Hebrew was a language.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Dead Sea Scrolls they are mostly written in Aramaic, Greek, Phoenician and Herodian Script, Which make perfect sense as these were the langauges being used, not Masorete Hebrew, there was no 'Hebrew' language when the Dead Sea Scrolls were written 80BC-60AD. The DSS agrees with the LXX more so then the MT, the DSS are still copies in Aramiac, Herodian, Phoenician and Greek of the LXX which is dated to 3rd Century B.C.



Only in your copied Masorete manuscripts. The NT was written in Greek.



Martin Luther means nothing to me, I think he made a mistake and did not fully understand the reprecussions of the Reformation.

Bro, every script/language you said besides Greek is a dialect of Hebrew LOL.. The "NT" copies/manuscripts were written in Greek, however it's not factual that is the original language.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Aramaic is a dialect of Hebrew. The fact that you acknowledge the Scriptures were written in Aramaic yet deny the existence of Hebrew at the time shows how credible you are...or are not, I should say.

Aramaic is a dialect of Hebrew that came about after Hebrew was a language.

Lol exactly, thank you!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Also take into account the fact that ALL the writers of Scripture were Jews, and there's that popular Jewish saying, "I'd rather feed my children pork than teach them Greek."

I'm pretty much with you

Jews are introduced in the Old testament in II Kings 16:6 as Edomites dwelling in Elath at war with Israel.

"A breif History of the Terms for Jew" in the 1980 Jewish Almanac: "STRICTLY SPEAKING IT IS INCORRECT TO CALL AN ANCIENT ISRAELITE A 'JEW' OR TO CALL A CONTEMPORARY JEW AN ISRAELITE OR A HEBREW." (1980 Jewish Almanac)

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Aramaic is a dialect of Hebrew.

Aramaic is Babylonian Imperial Langauge, would you like to argue which is older, Aramaic or Hebrew?

The fact that you acknowledge the Scriptures were written in Aramaic yet deny the existence of Hebrew at the time shows how credible you are...or are not, I should say.

No, I said the complete Old Testament was written in Greek which we have record of Aramaic fragments are younger, not older and they are copies of the Greek.

Aramaic is a dialect of Hebrew that came about after Hebrew was a language

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They is just a lie.

 

[Nuhen]

Aramaic is Babylonian Imperial Langauge, would you like to argue which is older, Aramaic or Hebrew?

No, I said the complete Old Testament was written in Greek which we have record of Aramaic fragments are younger, not older and they are copies of the Greek.

They is just a lie.

Where did you study linguistics, Cup?

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Aramaic is a semitic language Cup of Ruin LOL.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

“The Peshytta Tanakh is the ancient Scriptures translated into Lishana Aramaya (Aramaic language) from the original Hebrew text which pre-dated the Greek Septuagint text (LXX). The Peshytta New Testament is the ancient Aramaic Scriptures which was a precursor to the Greek texts of the New Covenant Scriptures. The Hebrew-Aramaic speaking churches received the Peshytta New Testament text between 50 and 70 C.E. The twenty-two books of the New Testament were originally written in Aramaic using K'tav Ashuri (square Hebrew script). It was translated into Greek soon after. Peshytta is still used by Assyrian, Syrian Orthodox and other Aramaic/Syriac speaking peoples in both Bible reading and liturgy.”
http://www.hebrewaramaic.org/

LOL

 

[HumbleSaint]

Lol exactly, thank you!

Interesting, I see you come from Isreal. Do you or do you not except Jesus as your Saviour, or do you believe that He has not yet come?

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Interesting, I see you come from Isreal. Do you or do you not except Jesus as your Saviour, or do you believe that He has not yet come?

Maranatha Yeshua is an Aramaic phrase which means "Come Lord Jesus" in English or perhaps "Our Lord Jesus Has Come" but I tend to agree with the first translation. "Come Lord Jesus", Maranatha was a prayer that the first Messianic Jew/Gentiles said. You can find it in the "Greek" New Testament from, surprisingly one of Paul's letters in 1 Corinthians 16:22.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Bro, every script/language you said besides Greek is a dialect of Hebrew LOL.. The "NT" copies/manuscripts were written in Greek, however it's not factual that is the original language.

Here is a language tree;

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Here is a language tree;

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Do you know what "Semitic languages" means?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Do you know what "Semitic languages" means?

Here is a language tree;



Semitic means Shemitic i.e. a descendant of Shem.

The Jewish Encyclopedia:

"KHAZARS, A NON-SEMITIC, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of YIDDISH - SPEAKING JEWS in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserbia and Rumania."

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia:

"Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim...About 92% of ALL JEWS ARE ASHKENAZIM"

The Bible:

"Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth;...the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZIM..." Genesis 10:1-3

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Here is a language tree;

View attachment 395

Semitic means Shemitic i.e. a descendant of Shem.

The Jewish Encyclopedia:

"KHAZARS, A NON-SEMITIC, Asiatic, Mongolian tribal nation who emigrated into Eastern Europe about the first century, who were converted as an entire nation to Judaism in the seventh century by the expanding Russian nation which absorbed the entire Khazar population, and who account for the presence in Eastern Europe of the great numbers of YIDDISH - SPEAKING JEWS in Russia, Poland, Lithuania, Galatia, Besserbia and Rumania."

The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia:

"Khazars were sometimes referred to as Ashkenazim...About 92% of ALL JEWS ARE ASHKENAZIM"

The Bible:

"Now these are the generations of the sons of Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japheth; and unto them were sons born after the flood. The sons of Japheth;...the sons of Gomer; ASHKENAZIM..." Genesis 10:1-3

Oh was just curious if you knew what the word meant, do you have any comment on that quote? I'll post it again for you.

“The Peshytta Tanakh is the ancient Scriptures translated into Lishana Aramaya (Aramaic language) from the original Hebrew text which pre-dated the Greek Septuagint text (LXX). The Peshytta New Testament is the ancient Aramaic Scriptures which was a precursor to the Greek texts of the New Covenant Scriptures. The Hebrew-Aramaic speaking churches received the Peshytta New Testament text between 50 and 70 C.E. The twenty-two books of the New Testament were originally written in Aramaic using K'tav Ashuri (square Hebrew script). It was translated into Greek soon after. Peshytta is still used by Assyrian, Syrian Orthodox and other Aramaic/Syriac speaking peoples in both Bible reading and liturgy.”
http://www.hebrewaramaic.org/