3rd Temple Updates

[MahogonySnail]

They can build a temple for God, but I bet he will not come back to live in it, He was too hurt from the first time...so now he prefers to live in Christians.

 

[greatkraw]

The problem here is you quote Masoretic Hebrew, which is not the original language of the Bible, the Masorete Priests wrote their version of scripture in 1009 AD, in this version the Tetragrammaton is used, but it is not used in the original language of the Bible, Masorete Hebrew was not even a langauge until the 3-4th Century AD, and is merely a mongrelized cross of Babylonian Aramaic, Herodian Script and Phoenician.

Masoretic was not the language of the ancient Israelites neither was it the langauge that the prophets wrote in, so clearly to try to establish a "Name" of God, based on a fairly recently evolved language is misleading, Masorete Hebrew is merely a combination of older more significant langauges.

In regards to holy OT Scripture the primary witness is written in Koine Greek, same language the New Testament Apostles wrote in, as this was the primary langauge at the time, Jesus and the Apostles spoke Greek and wrote in Greek, and quoted from a the Greek Septuagint, centuries before the Talmudic Masorete Priests were even able to form their own 'Hebrew' langauge.

the nazis discovered that the speed with which a lie spreads is proportional to its magnitude

Cup, you and PaulNSilas are of the synagougue of satan

 

[greatkraw]

I am descended from Ephraim, Dan and Levites, I am Israel.

The ethnos of Israel were divorced, the Romans themselves were descended from early migrations of Israelites. In grafting the root stock and the graft stem are the same genus - hence 'Gentile' from GENS - meaning of the same stock, to beget of the same clan, high noble birth - Genteel, Gentry, Genus, Gene, Gentleman, Gentile - of the same root.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Lord Jesus Christ said:[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](Revelation 2:9). [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif](Revelation 3:9).[/FONT]​

 

[MahogonySnail]

Cup you didn't answer me when I asked how you know you are descended from these tribes?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

The Septuagint was written in Greek you mean, not the original Tanakh. No I'm not mad because I would rather read the "NT" in Hebrew. In the same way you would prefer reading the Septuagint besides the Hebrew Tanakh.

Would it be better if I said Israeli? I know that the word "Jew" triggers a lot of antisemitic so I figure I'd use that.

The Greek Septuagint is dated to the 3rd Century B.C. that is verifiable and a fact, the 'Hebrew' scriptures are dated to 1009 A.D.

The Septuagint OT of 285BC never uses any sacred name for God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never used a personal name to distinguish Himself from peers because He has no peers, therefore no personal name is needed, "I am" indicates that He is to be identified with all of existence, only when the Word became flesh was a name used, and that name is Jesus Christ, which is correctly translated from the original Greek through Latin into English. The 'sacred name' was never used by Israelites neither recorded by true Israel historians like Josephus and Philo, or even later Eusebius, or even Jewish Aristeas the Exegete who wrote commentry on the Greek Septuagint.

Of course Moses who wrote the Pentateuch could not have written in Hebrew in the 15th Century BC, because the Hebrew language was not formed until much later, the Herodian Script was the beginning of this formulation of 'Hebrew' which was a amalgamation of numerous older languages. The Israelites spoke Phoenician after they left Egypt, Aramaic was the imperial langauge of Babylon, which Israelites would have adapted when in captivity 8th-6th BC. Moses could not write in Hebrew if there was no Hebrew alphabet in existence at that time. Now Greek, is the direct decendant of Phoenician (See. Herodotus). That is why the Greek scriptures are the oldest, both NT and OT.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Cup you didn't answer me when I asked how you know you are descended from these tribes?

'Snail many people know their own family history. The number of Israel today are truly immense as it was prophecised; 1 Chron. 1:9, Gen. 13:16. Gen. 28:14. and they were to spread out over all the world.

They were also to become a multitude of nations, not one nation but a many nations Gen. 48:19. The number would be so numerous that it could not be counted, you cannot number Israel today, they make numerous nations and have spread out over the entire earth, an "innumerable multitude" Gen. 15:5

Isn't it wonderful how God fullfills all his promises, God promised Rebekah that she would be "THE MOTHER OF THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS" = BILLIONS. God is not slack concerning His promises.

 

[Graybeard]

there are none so blind as they that WILL NOT SEE!!
My God who is in Heaven, does NOT GO BACK ON HIS PROMISES, He watches over His Word until it is fulfilled! He is THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND TOMORROW...He is just, He is the Alpha and the Omega...2000/3000/4000/5000 or 6000 years ago are but a few days ago to Him, He does not change His Word after it is decreed...open your eyes and your ears if you have them! you who stand on your tomato box and shout blasphemy against Israel will have to account for your actions to God in that day where there will be gnashing of teeth and knocking of knees, rethink what you are saying...pray in ernest for the Lord to remove any scales that are on your eyes and repent before it is too late.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

The Greek Septuagint is dated to the 3rd Century B.C. that is verifiable and a fact, the 'Hebrew' scriptures are dated to 1009 A.D.

The Septuagint OT of 285BC never uses any sacred name for God. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never used a personal name to distinguish Himself from peers because He has no peers, therefore no personal name is needed, "I am" indicates that He is to be identified with all of existence, only when the Word became flesh was a name used, and that name is Jesus Christ, which is correctly translated from the original Greek through Latin into English. The 'sacred name' was never used by Israelites neither recorded by true Israel historians like Josephus and Philo, or even later Eusebius, or even Jewish Aristeas the Exegete who wrote commentry on the Greek Septuagint.

Of course Moses who wrote the Pentateuch could not have written in Hebrew in the 15th Century BC, because the Hebrew language was not formed until much later, the Herodian Script was the beginning of this formulation of 'Hebrew' which was a amalgamation of numerous older languages. The Israelites spoke Phoenician after they left Egypt, Aramaic was the imperial langauge of Babylon, which Israelites would have adapted when in captivity 8th-6th BC. Moses could not write in Hebrew if there was no Hebrew alphabet in existence at that time. Now Greek, is the direct decendant of Phoenician (See. Herodotus). That is why the Greek scriptures are the oldest, both NT and OT.

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew in the 3rd century. Obviously it never uses any sacred names for God because it's not the holy language. His name wasn't "Jesus Christ" either, when Yeshua walked the Earth He was known as Rabbi Yeshua. I'm guessing you think Moses wrote in Greek? The oldest manuscripts for the Tanakh are not in Greek.

You need deliverance.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Even your fellow antisemitic Martin Luther would agree with me..

"The Hebrew language is the best language of all ... If I were younger I would want to learn this language, because no one can really understand the Scriptures without it. For although the New Testament is written in Greek, it is full of Hebraisms and Hebrew expressions. It has therefore been aptly said that the Hebrews drink from the spring, the Greeks from the stream that flows from it, and the Latins from a downstream pool." - Martin Luther

 

[MahogonySnail]

'Snail many people know their own family history. The number of Israel today are truly immense as it was prophecised; 1 Chron. 1:9, Gen. 13:16. Gen. 28:14. and they were to spread out over all the world.

They were also to become a multitude of nations, not one nation but a many nations Gen. 48:19. The number would be so numerous that it could not be counted, you cannot number Israel today, they make numerous nations and have spread out over the entire earth, an "innumerable multitude" Gen. 15:5

Isn't it wonderful how God fullfills all his promises, God promised Rebekah that she would be "THE MOTHER OF THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS" = BILLIONS. God is not slack concerning His promises

So you must be half afghani or something, because most europeans can't trace their history back further than the 16-1700's. You're talking about going back to B.C. era and I must say it sounds like a little bit of a long tale.

 

[greatkraw]

So you must be half afghani or something, because most europeans can't trace their history back further than the 16-1700's. You're talking about going back to B.C. era and I must say it sounds like a little bit of a long tale.

actually prince charles was in the guiness book of records for being able to trace his lineage back the furthest
it should be harry with the record now

but I guess Cup trumps them both

 

[MahogonySnail]

If we have a guiness record official in here we can have it officially recognised.

 

[thewordwatcher]

They were also to become a multitude of nations, not one nation but a many nations Gen. 48:19. The number would be so numerous that it could not be counted, you cannot number Israel today, they make numerous nations and have spread out over the entire earth, an "innumerable multitude" Gen. 15:5

Isn't it wonderful how God fullfills all his promises, God promised Rebekah that she would be "THE MOTHER OF THOUSANDS OF MILLIONS" = BILLIONS. God is not slack concerning His promises.

Observing the world we should realized, that nations, wgo are dominating in this world could be real Israelis - the lost 10 tribes.

Hence, Israel of TODAY - Israel of the day of Jeremiah's "planting" of David's throne - is located specifically as northwest of Jerusalem and in the sea! Let us locate this land more specifically!​

The same 49th chapter of Isaiah begins with this: "Listen, O isles, unto me." The people addressed, Israel, are called "O isles" in the first verse and "O Israel" in the third verse. This term "isles" or "islands" is sometimes translated "coastlands."​

The 31st chapter of Jeremiah, locating Israel in the "north country," says: "I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn. Hear the word of the Lord, O ye nations [Ephraim, Manasseh], and declare it in the isles afar off . . ." (Jer. 31:9-10).​

Again: "Keep silence before me, O islands. . . thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen" (Isa. 41:1, 8).​

In Jeremiah 31:10, the message is to be declared "in the isles afar off" and is to be shouted in "the CHIEF OF THE NATIONS" (verse 7). So, finally, today, as in Jeremiah's day, the house of Israel is in the isles, which are "in the sea," the chief of the nations, northwest of Jerusalem. A coast-dwelling, and therefore sea-dominant, people. Certainly there can be no mistaking that identity!​

Take a map of Europe. Lay a line due NORTHWEST of Jerusalem across the continent of Europe, until you come to the sea, and then to the islands in the sea! This line takes you directly to the British Isles!​

Of proof that our white, English-speaking peoples today - Britain and America - are actually and truly the birthright tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh of the "lost" house of Israel there is so much we shall have space for but a small portion in this book.​

from

http://www.cog-ff.com/site/cog_arch...ish Commonwealth In Prophecy.htm#Chapter Nine

http://losttribes.net/
http://www.lostisrael.com/israel_where_they_went.htm
http://www.lostisrael.com/could_u_b_israelite.htm

That would be the whole Israel. But as a Chosen Nation Israel was rejected finally after death of Yahshuah, caused by Jews, who has used Romans to kill Son of God.

Since then Chosen Nation - every person, who has chosen to worship Yahshuah.

In order to understand all of this, we would have to establish what is a Covenant with ancient Israel and what kind of Covenant made Christ with the whole world.

In other words - so called Old Testament was the agreement between Israel and God. It was a typical agreement and Israelites where obliged to obey the Law given by God, and God was obliged to bless them in any aspect of their lives.

During reins of king Salomon it was obvious who is God of Israel because even sliver was cheap and worthless in eyes of Israelites.

That was an agreement or Covenant between Israel and God.

Israel has broken completely several times this everlasting agreement - Covenant so God has rejected Israel and has made new agreement - new Covenant with all nations.

According to New Covenant - all, who do believe in Yahshuah and do believe in His sacrificial blood and His resurrection, all of those a new Chosen Nation, regardless of their nationality.

Ancient Israel rejected Covenant and even today is apparent, that modern Israel dos not fulfill God's Law. Especially the Zionist government, which doesn't have any respect for God's Law whatsoever.

Modern Israel is a fake, and if the temple will be build, that's the plan of Masons, meaning luciferians, who do worship Lucifer and spread trough all plane luciferian doctrines.

If the temple will be build, it will be masonic temple and purpose will be... worshiping Satan. Masons are obsessed with that temple and with Jewish witchcraft - called kaballa.

http://www.freemasons-freemasonry.com/larsonwilliam.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtwdZeTpecY

Building III Solomon Temple is a diabolical plan do trigger III World War. That war was planned by Albert Pike in a demonic vision August 15, 1871.

http://www.threeworldwars.com/albert-pike2.htm

Plan for III WW

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4

Remember, it was published well before two past wars!

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Genesis 12:2-3. There's your book, chapter, and verse. Don't assume I'm afraid of you, because I'm not. You want the scriptures, I'll give you the Scriptures.

The G-d of the bible DOES have a Holy and Unpronounceable Name. He gave it to us in the Scriptures: YHVH

Thats is incorrect as i already explained, but you seem not to be able to comprehend; the Tetragrammaton is not in original scripture, it is only found in 'Hebrew' scriptures, the original Old Testament was written in Greek, that is the OT the Jesus and the Apostles had, the Greek, thats the oldest, the Masoretic Hebrew which contains the 'sacred name' of God is dated to 1009 A.D., the scriptures that the jews have are inferior copies of the original Greek, 'Hebrew' as a language was not even formed until after the death of Christ and is a mongrel language of Aramaic, Chaldee, Phoenician and Herodian Script.

As I explained according to true scripture God has given no personal name until He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and that name is correctly translated from Greek to Latin to English, Hebrew is just a secondary inferior witness, the Greek is the primary witness.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

The Septuagint was translated from Hebrew in the 3rd century.

No that is incorrect, as no Hebrew scriptures exist that date prior to the Septaugint, and also there was no 'Hebrew' alphabet in the 3rd Century B.C.

Obviously it never uses any sacred names for God because it's not the holy language.

As I said your Hebrew scriptures date back to the Leningrad Codex of 1009 AD, Moses could not have written in Masorete Hebrew is there was no Hebrew alphabet when he wrote. There was a Phoenician alphabet and Greek is the direct descendent of Phoenician.

His name wasn't "Jesus Christ"

Yes it was, it says that in the New Testament which was written in Greek, you do know that is was written in Greek - Iesous - Strong's #2424 = Jesus name of the Lord.

either, when Yeshua walked the Earth He was known as Rabbi Yeshua. I'm guessing you think Moses wrote in Greek? The oldest manuscripts for the Tanakh are not in Greek.

As I told you the LENINGRAD CODEX is THE OLDEST HEBREW TANAKH!

YOU HAVE THE WRONG SCRIPTURES, they were not written until 1300 years after the Greek Old Testament.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

No that is incorrect, as no Hebrew scriptures exist that date prior to the Septaugint, and also there was no 'Hebrew' alphabet in the 3rd Century B.C.




As I said your Hebrew scriptures date back to the Leningrad Codex of 1009 AD, Moses could not have written in Masorete Hebrew is there was no Hebrew alphabet when he wrote. There was a Phoenician alphabet and Greek is the direct descendent of Phoenician.



Yes it was, it says that in the New Testament which was written in Greek, you do know that is was written in Greek - Iesous - Strong's #2424 = Jesus name of the Lord.



As I told you the LENINGRAD CODEX is THE OLDEST HEBREW TANAKH!

YOU HAVE THE WRONG SCRIPTURES, they were not written until 1300 years after the Greek Old Testament.

Dude have you ever heard of dead sea scrolls? The Greek is not the original Scriptures. Yeshua's name translated into Greek was Iesous that's correct, however He was a Rabbi known by His Hebrew name Yeshua.

No response to the Martin Luther quote, Come on aren't you antisemitics all brothers?
"The Hebrew language is the best language of all ... If I were younger I would want to learn this language, because no one can really understand the Scriptures without it. For although the New Testament is written in Greek, it is full of Hebraisms and Hebrew expressions. It has therefore been aptly said that the Hebrews drink from the spring, the Greeks from the stream that flows from it, and the Latins from a downstream pool." - Martin Luther

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Not to mention your "Old Testament" was translated from The Masoretic Text not koine Greek .

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

Thats is incorrect as i already explained, but you seem not to be able to comprehend; the Tetragrammaton is not in original scripture, it is only found in 'Hebrew' scriptures, the original Old Testament was written in Greek, that is the OT the Jesus and the Apostles had, the Greek, thats the oldest, the Masoretic Hebrew which contains the 'sacred name' of God is dated to 1009 A.D., the scriptures that the jews have are inferior copies of the original Greek, 'Hebrew' as a language was not even formed until after the death of Christ and is a mongrel language of Aramaic, Chaldee, Phoenician and Herodian Script.

As I explained according to true scripture God has given no personal name until He came in the flesh as Jesus Christ, and that name is correctly translated from Greek to Latin to English, Hebrew is just a secondary inferior witness, the Greek is the primary witness.

The original text is not in Greek, you are very misleading. The original text is written in Hebrew and for all you know the New Testament could've been written in Hebrew and translated into Greek seeing as we have no original copies or manuscripts.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Not to mention your "Old Testament" was translated from The Masoretic Text not koine Greek .

That is quite simply a lie. The Aleppo Codex, the Babylonian Codex the Leningrad Codex are all dated to approx. 1000 AD!!! There are no earlier existing documents in Masorete Hebrew, they do not exist. The Septuagint manuscripts are 100's of years older.

 

[Maranatha_Yeshua]

That is quite simply a lie. The Aleppo Codex, the Babylonian Codex the Leningrad Codex are all dated to approx. 1000 AD!!! There are no earlier existing documents in Masorete Hebrew, they do not exist. The Septuagint manuscripts are 100's of years older.

You don't know what your English "Old Testament" was translated from? It was translated from Hebrew/Aramaic just like the Septuagint was translated from Hebrew