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Good point and at least your trying to reason within the scriptures ...but read the next two verses and you see that this stopped the nonbelievers from joining and the believers increased more and more....so yes this was fearful thing and all should be warned against playing games with God....but real believers increased and more and was added to the church...so they seen it as evidence of Gods power and justice....but nonbelievers seen it as a fearful thing that kept them out of the assembly.
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Dude ...stop trying to start another personal debate...you lost the last time...get over it 
If you want to make a point about the issue of the thread, I will address that but not playing your childish and ungodly game today.
If you want to make a point about the issue of the thread, I will address that but not playing your childish and ungodly game today.
1. lol. now thats funny, I did not lose anything, nor do I care to win or lose.. You think to highly of yourself. Funny how it seems every-time you get into discussion this same thing happens every time, why is you you always want to blame others?
2. why is it you never want to talk about the issues but always want to prove your right?
You judged a gal based on nothing.. It seems to be a habit
"More were added daily" is a pretty common theme throughout the beginning of the church. Even today, it is estimated that 10,000 new Christians are born each day throughout the world.
People signing up, despite supposed fear outside the church would stand in strange opposition to people being scared off from a movement that killed people, on the spot. No, the Bible did not say unbelievers got cold feet because two other unbelievers were killed that day........ it said "the church" got scared. I wonder if any quit?
People signing up, despite supposed fear outside the church would stand in strange opposition to people being scared off from a movement that killed people, on the spot. No, the Bible did not say unbelievers got cold feet because two other unbelievers were killed that day........ it said "the church" got scared. I wonder if any quit?
G
Acts 5:
[SUP]1[/SUP] But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, [SUP]2[/SUP] And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. [SUP]3[/SUP] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? [SUP]4[/SUP] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. [SUP]5[/SUP] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. [SUP]6[/SUP] And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. [SUP]7[/SUP] And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. [SUP]8[/SUP] And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. [SUP]9[/SUP] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. [SUP]10[/SUP] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. [SUP]11[/SUP] And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. [SUP]12[/SUP] And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. [SUP]13[/SUP] And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. [SUP]14[/SUP] And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) [SUP]15[/SUP] Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. [SUP]16[/SUP] There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
The parenthetical statement is indeed a separate "thought process", and is not directly connected to the subject matter outside of verses 12-16. For an interval of time ( apparently somewhat 'long' ), the apostles - "with one accord" - in Solomon's porch - wrought signs and wonders among the people ( who were [ physically ] 'separated' from them by virtue of not being in Solomon's porch ). In verse 13, 'them' is the apostles [ 'in' Solomon's porch ] ( not "the Church" ) -- 'join himself to them' simply means "go onto ( 'in' ) Solomon's porch and / to stand with them" - in close proximity to them ( the apostles ). Verse 13 is indicating that the people stood [ a short distance ] away from the apostles - while "magnifying" them - but, "kept their distance" from them - not 'mingling' with them [ 'in' ] Solomon's porch. Verses 15-16 are the 'evidence' of the 'proof' of what was happening in verses 12-13.
In other words, the apostles were "on" Solomon's porch; everyone else was "off" Solomon's porch. During the 'event', no one dared to 'mingle' with them "on" Solomon's porch.
It would be somewhat similar to saying:
Nobody dared to go up onto the platform with the preacher while he was preaching such a powerful Holy-Spirit-filled message, yet many in the congregation praised God and shouted 'Amen'.
In the context of the whole passage, the parenthetical statement has nothing whatsoever [ directly ] to do with Ananias and Sapphira.
Spreading knowledge of the circumstances of their deaths caused "great fear" and a lot of "getting right with God"...
[SUP]1[/SUP] But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession, [SUP]2[/SUP] And kept back part of the price, his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet. [SUP]3[/SUP] But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? [SUP]4[/SUP] Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. [SUP]5[/SUP] And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things. [SUP]6[/SUP] And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him. [SUP]7[/SUP] And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in. [SUP]8[/SUP] And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much. [SUP]9[/SUP] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out. [SUP]10[/SUP] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband. [SUP]11[/SUP] And great fear came upon all the church, and upon as many as heard these things. [SUP]12[/SUP] And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. [SUP]13[/SUP] And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. [SUP]14[/SUP] And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) [SUP]15[/SUP] Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. [SUP]16[/SUP] There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.
The parenthetical statement is indeed a separate "thought process", and is not directly connected to the subject matter outside of verses 12-16. For an interval of time ( apparently somewhat 'long' ), the apostles - "with one accord" - in Solomon's porch - wrought signs and wonders among the people ( who were [ physically ] 'separated' from them by virtue of not being in Solomon's porch ). In verse 13, 'them' is the apostles [ 'in' Solomon's porch ] ( not "the Church" ) -- 'join himself to them' simply means "go onto ( 'in' ) Solomon's porch and / to stand with them" - in close proximity to them ( the apostles ). Verse 13 is indicating that the people stood [ a short distance ] away from the apostles - while "magnifying" them - but, "kept their distance" from them - not 'mingling' with them [ 'in' ] Solomon's porch. Verses 15-16 are the 'evidence' of the 'proof' of what was happening in verses 12-13.
In other words, the apostles were "on" Solomon's porch; everyone else was "off" Solomon's porch. During the 'event', no one dared to 'mingle' with them "on" Solomon's porch.
It would be somewhat similar to saying:
Nobody dared to go up onto the platform with the preacher while he was preaching such a powerful Holy-Spirit-filled message, yet many in the congregation praised God and shouted 'Amen'.
In the context of the whole passage, the parenthetical statement has nothing whatsoever [ directly ] to do with Ananias and Sapphira.
Spreading knowledge of the circumstances of their deaths caused "great fear" and a lot of "getting right with God"...
L
ohhh oohh I got an considered answer on this one Willie!!!
2 people died one at a time that everyone thought were believers., 1-2-3 plop! they dropped!!! I'd have gotten scared too! But non the less more were added to the body of Christ. We don't always know right at the moment why things happen in life do we? And we have the Bible, they didn't. They were just learning about Jesus and all that God was doing in and for and through them. Even today many believers think God is bringing sickness and death and we have the Bible that clearly tells us it is satan who is the author of such things not God.
L
I think it matters what happens to my flesh.,and so does God. He tells us we are the temple of the HolySpirit. We are to glorify Him in our bodies. We are to have our minds renewed and we are to serve Him with these bodies He has blessed us with. God is not out to cause us pain, agony and death. He sent Jesus to redeem us of that. Being a part of this world is what brings tribulation., not God. Be of good cheer!!! Jesus said, He has over come the world!! The death of His saints is not caused by God. He is not out to Zap us so He can get glory. He gets glory when we live for Him.
It is certainly not a trap to believe God is the giver of good things., all good things are from His hand. And when we do go through trials, He is there to get us through to the other side. Without Jesus, we can do nothing. God has given people free will and because of that and the stupid choices people make, we will all be having to deal with tribulations but God delivers His children from them all. Amen.
The context in the previous Acts 4 chapter is important to understand this. The other believers sold their lands and brought all the money to the Apostles. The purpose for that gathering was to distribute among the poorer members, for that was the beginnings of the early Church. And because that was a time of many miracles done by The Holy Spirit they had a greater witness to them in those things so they had no excuse to fully put their trust in God and in His Apostles.