What a Trump voter has in common with an Obama voter

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I don't know that I'm of "The establishment" but I don't like Trump, so maybe you lump me in with "The establishment."

The reason I don't like Trump is because he is a buffoon. He can't put two cogent thoughts together, he hates women, he hates minorities, in fact he hates anyone not named "Donald Trump." Personally, I think he must be a Clinton shill, he won't get the Republican nomination and knows it, and his foregone conclusion of a third-party candidacy will hand the White House over to the Democrats yet again.

He's a fraud and a con artist who deserves no consideration for the nation's highest office.
When I said the establishment I was talking about the big wigs, media and doners, not the regular everyday voters.

I probably wouldn't vote for Trump but I think he brings some interesting things to the table and I do think he is sincere. I think he's got too much of an ego to be a shill for anybody. I appreciate the fact that he took a hardline stance on the immigration issue when a lot of the GOP politicians were trying to softball the issue to get the Hispanic vote.
 
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When I said the establishment I was talking about the big wigs, media and doners, not the regular everyday voters.

I probably wouldn't vote for Trump but I think he brings some interesting things to the table and I do think he is sincere. I think he's got too much of an ego to be a shill for anybody. I appreciate the fact that he took a hardline stance on the immigration issue when a lot of the GOP politicians were trying to softball the issue to get the Hispanic vote.
Amen to this. Way to much pandering has gone on with the GOP and look it where it has gotten them....and us. They can learn something from Trump and in my estimation they are hopeless if they don't. Republicans who stand on conservative principles get elected. Republicans who pander to the left get kicked to the curb and get leftists elected.
 
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I don't know that I'm of "The establishment" but I don't like Trump, so maybe you lump me in with "The establishment."

The reason I don't like Trump is because he is a buffoon. He can't put two cogent thoughts together, he hates women, he hates minorities, in fact he hates anyone not named "Donald Trump." Personally, I think he must be a Clinton shill, he won't get the Republican nomination and knows it, and his foregone conclusion of a third-party candidacy will hand the White House over to the Democrats yet again.

He's a fraud and a con artist who deserves no consideration for the nation's highest office.
Obama is con artist. Right or wrong...Trump says what is really on his heart. There is a huge difference.
 
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Sure, lots of people foam at the mouth, bluster, and hperventilate and at the same time are right. The only thing Trump is doing different than his supporters is saying it loudly and in front of a microphone. On national television.

There's a huge difference between being right, and actually knowing what to do. Trump so far hasn't offered on single cogent answer to any issue. He's attracting attention because he says publicly what a lot of people feel privately. That just makes him nothing more than just angry, like us. And I suspect, with him, the anger is largely contrived. Trump really doesn't care about anything but Trump. Never has.

Hell, Sirk, you and I have said for months the same things Trump is saying on a national stage! Does that make us us great candidates? God, no! It doesn't make him a good one, either. The other 16 in the field mostly have good, solid plans of actions. You and I have got a better one than I've heard from Trump so far.
 
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Desdichado

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If I was on the Cruz campaign right now, I would be very happy with Trump. For months, Cruz was painted as the stereotypical angry white (albeit Hispanic) man in the Senate on a quixotic journey to become POTUS.

Now he looks like a deadly combination of statesman, wonk, and tell-it-like-it-is conservative. Not saying the trend will last, but his staff and consultants should double down.
 
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If I was on the Cruz campaign right now, I would be very happy with Trump. For months, Cruz was painted as the stereotypical angry white (albeit Hispanic) man in the Senate on a quixotic journey to become POTUS.

Now he looks like a deadly combination of statesman, wonk, and tell-it-like-it-is conservative. Not saying the trend will last, but his staff and consultants should double down.

Yup...I think he is the only one that is playing the Trump meteor to his advantage.
 

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Yup...I think he is the only one that is playing the Trump meteor to his advantage.
Carson, Paul, and Fiorina could as well since they also have an anti-politician vibe. Cruz and his team are currently the most effective though.
 
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Carson, Paul, and Fiorina could as well since they also have an anti-politician vibe. Cruz and his team are currently the most effective though.
Conservatives always try to be "likable" instead of just standing on conservative principles. "Nice" conservatives just get pushed to the corner and neither do they inspire.
 

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Conservatives always try to be "likable" instead of just standing on conservative principles. "Nice" conservatives just get pushed to the corner and neither do they inspire.
Bingo. Voters do not and have never wanted "nice." They want leaders.
 
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Yup...I think he is the only one that is playing the Trump meteor to his advantage.
this is exactly why i am pretty much done with cruz...the fact that he is 'playing the trump meteor to his advantage' instead of doing the right thing tells me that cruz is not guided by any reliable moral compass...

i really doubt i could ever vote for either of them...
 
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this is exactly why i am pretty much done with cruz...the fact that he is 'playing the trump meteor to his advantage' instead of doing the right thing tells me that cruz is not guided by any reliable moral compass...

i really doubt i could ever vote for either of them...
It's too early to tell. I'm just gonna sit back... and stay off all of the bandwagons that come by.
 
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Trump has a pretty good grasp on the things he supposedly doesn't haven't a good grasp on. [video]http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-it-would-be-miracle-if-hillary-continues-run-n410566[/video]
 
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Trump has a pretty good grasp on the things he supposedly doesn't haven't a good grasp on. [video]http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/trump-it-would-be-miracle-if-hillary-continues-run-n410566[/video]
1. Trump said nothing substantive in that interview.

2. The liberally biased media wants Trump to be the GOP nominee, because it guarantees the Democrats the White House.

Again, I understand where all the hoopla over Trump is coming from. we love to hear people say the things we've been thinking or feeling. "At last! Someone who understand me!" Or, I could liken it to a comedian who consistently makes me laugh: He/She says what I think, in a politically incorrect way. Enter, Donald Trump. Like the comedian, he allows some of us to release the thought or observation, air it out and then move on.

Perhaps move forward, to a better or more grown-up place. >>ahem<< >>cough, cough<<

And it is no accident the liberally biased media promotes the guy as actually having more than diddly-squat for answers. They want the GOP to be seen as the people who follow the jerk. That makes us jerks, too. So they promote him -- like David Gregory did in that interview, without pointing out he didn't say anything new, invigorating, innovative, or even particularly intelligent, beyond the rudimentary analytical talent of the average news guy or gal.

Here's the thing: You guys might admire the guy who starts the bar fight, because the jerk he punched out deserved it. But you're not going to want to party with the brawler and make him your best friend. One, you don't really know him, and two, most of you aren't like that.

We don't think the guy who escalates the bar fight is a leader. We prefer the guy or gal who has the maturity, strength, and character to step in and stop the bar fight. We want to follow and support the person who convinces actually finds answers instead of causing problems.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened. There have been a lot of outlier candidates who explode on the scene like a shooting star. Remember Gene McCarthy. George Wallace. Pat Buchanan. Jesse Jackson. Howard Dean? They all flamed out before the second primary.

Be prepared to add Donald Trump to that list.
 
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1. Trump said nothing substantive in that interview.

2. The liberally biased media wants Trump to be the GOP nominee, because it guarantees the Democrats the White House.

Again, I understand where all the hoopla over Trump is coming from. we love to hear people say the things we've been thinking or feeling. "At last! Someone who understand me!" Or, I could liken it to a comedian who consistently makes me laugh: He/She says what I think, in a politically incorrect way. Enter, Donald Trump. Like the comedian, he allows some of us to release the thought or observation, air it out and then move on.

Perhaps move forward, to a better or more grown-up place. >>ahem<< >>cough, cough<<

And it is no accident the liberally biased media promotes the guy as actually having more than diddly-squat for answers. They want the GOP to be seen as the people who follow the jerk. That makes us jerks, too. So they promote him -- like David Gregory did in that interview, without pointing out he didn't say anything.

Here's the thing: You guys might admire the guy who starts the bar fight, because the jerk he punched out deserved it. But you're not going to want to party with the brawler and make him your best friend. One, you don't really know him, and two, most of you aren't like that.

We don't think the guy who escalates the bar fight is a leader. We prefer the guy or gal who has the maturity, strength, and character to step in and stop the bar fight. We want to follow and support the person who convinces actually finds answers instead of causing problems.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened. There have been a lot of outlier candidates who explode on the scene like a shooting star. Remember Gene McCarthy. George Wallace. Pat Buchanan. Jesse Jackson. Howard Dean? They all flamed out before the second primary.

Be prepared to add Donald Trump to that list.
What if God has a different plan?
 
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Viligant_Warrior

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What if God has a different plan?
If God wants to let the U.S. destroy itself, there are a lot better talents available to accomplish that than Trump. "Evil" trumps "stupid." No pun intended.

Not to mention, God isn't a fan of bar fights or the people who start them.
 
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If God wants to let the U.S. destroy itself, there are a lot better talents available to accomplish that than Trump. "Evil" trumps "stupid." No pun intended.
God can use Trump.....He used David. I wonder how people spoke about Davids shortcomings and his capacity to lead.