Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Among other abominational practices, here in Spain one of the titles of James, the brother of our Savior, is Santiago MataMoros, which may be translated as James (or Jacob) the Moor (Moslem) killer.
Another titled saint is San Vicent(e) MataJudios, or Saint Vincint the Jew killer.
There are thousands more traditions of the RCC here in Spain. They may not be observed internationally, but they are certainly tolerated by the hierarchy of all the Catholic Church.
Another titled saint is San Vicent(e) MataJudios, or Saint Vincint the Jew killer.
There are thousands more traditions of the RCC here in Spain. They may not be observed internationally, but they are certainly tolerated by the hierarchy of all the Catholic Church.
Yeah..... don't take my word for it Pop's, take your authoritative independent witness (Encyclopedia Britannica) word for it.
"Roman Catholic authority rests upon a mandate that is traced to the action of Jesus Christ himself, when he invested Peter and, through Peter, his successors with the power of the keys in the church. Christ is the invisible head of his church, and by his authority the pope is the visible head." (Encyclopedia Britannica ©1999)
"Roman Catholicism Christian church characterized by its uniform, highly developed doctrinal and organizational structure that traces its history to the Apostles of Jesus Christ in the 1st century AD." (Encyclopedia Britannica ©1999)
Pax Christi
"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48
"Roman Catholic authority rests upon a mandate that is traced to the action of Jesus Christ himself, when he invested Peter and, through Peter, his successors with the power of the keys in the church. Christ is the invisible head of his church, and by his authority the pope is the visible head." (Encyclopedia Britannica ©1999)
"Roman Catholicism Christian church characterized by its uniform, highly developed doctrinal and organizational structure that traces its history to the Apostles of Jesus Christ in the 1st century AD." (Encyclopedia Britannica ©1999)
Pax Christi
"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48
Hmmmm..... I have to wonder if 'you' even know what an encyclical is. How about you enlighten us Catholics.
Nah..... I don't think so. However, you being a "dupe" or "simply ignorant" remains to be seen by your answer.
p.s. Maybe you'd like to take a crack at showing what bible verse that validates Sola Scriptura. I've asked your ol' buddies Jack123, kenallen, mec99 numerous times with no success on their part.
Pax Christi
"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." --- Luke 1:48
Nah..... I don't think so. However, you being a "dupe" or "simply ignorant" remains to be seen by your answer.
p.s. Maybe you'd like to take a crack at showing what bible verse that validates Sola Scriptura. I've asked your ol' buddies Jack123, kenallen, mec99 numerous times with no success on their part.
Pax Christi
"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." --- Luke 1:48
Unfortunately fordman has no Truth in him. What fordman and other Catholics have done is twist the Scriptures to prove their Mary Worshiping Catholic Church only has the Truth.
Jesus never built His Church on Peter and Peter never was a Pope because Jesus sent Peter to bring the Gospel to the Jewish people not the Gentiles. If anyone would have been the Pope it would have been Paul because Paul was sent to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Also how can we ever believe what fordman says anymore when we have caught him twisting the Scriptures to justify his Worship of Mary as his God?
Luke 11:27-28 is all about Jesus telling us that if you have received His Scriptures and obey then then you are Blessed, but fordman twisted them around to say these verses were talking about Mary only even though God used the word "those".
Do you see how fordman and other Catholics twist the Scriptures to justify their Worship of their God Mary?
Jesus never built His Church on Peter and Peter never was a Pope because Jesus sent Peter to bring the Gospel to the Jewish people not the Gentiles. If anyone would have been the Pope it would have been Paul because Paul was sent to bring the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Also how can we ever believe what fordman says anymore when we have caught him twisting the Scriptures to justify his Worship of Mary as his God?
Luke 11:27-28 is all about Jesus telling us that if you have received His Scriptures and obey then then you are Blessed, but fordman twisted them around to say these verses were talking about Mary only even though God used the word "those".
Do you see how fordman and other Catholics twist the Scriptures to justify their Worship of their God Mary?
You have to realize that no Pope in the Catholic Church has ever accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Being a Pope to them means Gold and Silver and Power.
Its interesting that fordman puts himself up as the only person here that has the Truth, but yet he has been caught in twisting the Scriptures to fit his lies from the Catholic Church.
Its people like fordman and mwc68 that do the will of Satan and not God.
How can you do the will of God fordman and mwc68 when you twist the Scriptures to justify your Worship of Mary as your God? If you want to keep on Worshiping Mary God will allow you to Worship her, but then you cannot claim to be a follower of Jesus also.
Its interesting that fordman puts himself up as the only person here that has the Truth, but yet he has been caught in twisting the Scriptures to fit his lies from the Catholic Church.
Its people like fordman and mwc68 that do the will of Satan and not God.
How can you do the will of God fordman and mwc68 when you twist the Scriptures to justify your Worship of Mary as your God? If you want to keep on Worshiping Mary God will allow you to Worship her, but then you cannot claim to be a follower of Jesus also.
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I am a Catholic and also a Protestant. However I am not a Roman Catholic. I was taught many years ago that the word catholic means universal. The word was originally used to signify the inclusive nature of Christs sacrifice on the cross. At this point (Jesus death) all who would believe, repent and follow were now welcomed into Gods family, joint heirs with Christ.
Blessings brothers
Blessings brothers
Are you kidding me?? I think you have it a$$ backwards. For example...take a look at all the differnt threads within this site of Protestants/non-Catholics arguing amoung themselves with their personal interpretations of Scripture. Now thats whats twisted!
And again as far as the Catholic Church worshipping Mary. Show me anywhere in the Mass where we worship The Blessed Virgin Mary. Show any where the Magisterium
of the Catholic Church teaches us to do so. (Do you even know what the Magisterium is? If not, don't be afraid to ask me.) Or how about the Catechism of the Catholic Church? You all accuse us of following it more than the bible. (which is total bunk) If that were true, surly one would think it would tell us Catholics to worship Mary in it. It would be very easy for you to find out. Go to the online version of the Catechism, type in "Mary worship", and see what you come up with.
It is well known that Paul rebuked Peter in his epistle and much has been made of this. Yet, Scripture does not undo Scripture; the authority given to Peter by Christ so clearly established in the New Testament is not undone if Paul had a disagreement with Christ’s Vicar. In fact, the Holy Spirit may have enshrined this incidence in Scripture (along with examples of Peter’s sin or weakness) to clarify the nature of the papacy: the Pope is not God and the Pope is not perfect. He can sin, and in fact all of them have sinned. And he can certainly make practical decisions that are imprudent or possibly just not popular with everyone!
Despite what has been written about the incident of Paul rebuking Peter for not eating with gentiles, it is not a foregone conclusion that Peter sinned here – he may have simply unintentionally offended. In any case, it was Peter that first opened the Church to non-Jews and was the first to baptize them – there’s no evidence he practiced some sort of deep-seated prejudice. If he did, though, it’s clear that Christ didn’t remove him as head of the Church. The fact that Paul refers to him as Cephas in that passage underscores the fact that Paul acknowledged his authority over him.
"If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" – Cyprian, A.D. 246
So you see Kenallan, this argument, like so many (virtually all?) of your objections to Catholic doctrine, is based on the unhealthy and illogical practice of pitting Scripture against Itself: reading in the small and "proof-texting" by literally claiming that one part of Scripture (the most overtly Catholics part) is contradicted and "outdone" by another part. But that is foolishness; all Scripture is true and free from error. And Catholic doctrine weaves it all into a harmonious whole with no contradictions.
Give an example
Is this "your" personal interpretation?
Ah.... I think not. Here again we have your practice of "proof-texting" that encourages "reading in the small" and actually pitting Scripture against Scripture, hiding and distorting many teachings of the Bible. In other word...twisting!
Pax Christi
"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.
And again as far as the Catholic Church worshipping Mary. Show me anywhere in the Mass where we worship The Blessed Virgin Mary. Show any where the Magisterium
of the Catholic Church teaches us to do so. (Do you even know what the Magisterium is? If not, don't be afraid to ask me.) Or how about the Catechism of the Catholic Church? You all accuse us of following it more than the bible. (which is total bunk) If that were true, surly one would think it would tell us Catholics to worship Mary in it. It would be very easy for you to find out. Go to the online version of the Catechism, type in "Mary worship", and see what you come up with.
It is well known that Paul rebuked Peter in his epistle and much has been made of this. Yet, Scripture does not undo Scripture; the authority given to Peter by Christ so clearly established in the New Testament is not undone if Paul had a disagreement with Christ’s Vicar. In fact, the Holy Spirit may have enshrined this incidence in Scripture (along with examples of Peter’s sin or weakness) to clarify the nature of the papacy: the Pope is not God and the Pope is not perfect. He can sin, and in fact all of them have sinned. And he can certainly make practical decisions that are imprudent or possibly just not popular with everyone!
Despite what has been written about the incident of Paul rebuking Peter for not eating with gentiles, it is not a foregone conclusion that Peter sinned here – he may have simply unintentionally offended. In any case, it was Peter that first opened the Church to non-Jews and was the first to baptize them – there’s no evidence he practiced some sort of deep-seated prejudice. If he did, though, it’s clear that Christ didn’t remove him as head of the Church. The fact that Paul refers to him as Cephas in that passage underscores the fact that Paul acknowledged his authority over him.
"If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" – Cyprian, A.D. 246
So you see Kenallan, this argument, like so many (virtually all?) of your objections to Catholic doctrine, is based on the unhealthy and illogical practice of pitting Scripture against Itself: reading in the small and "proof-texting" by literally claiming that one part of Scripture (the most overtly Catholics part) is contradicted and "outdone" by another part. But that is foolishness; all Scripture is true and free from error. And Catholic doctrine weaves it all into a harmonious whole with no contradictions.
Give an example
Is this "your" personal interpretation?
Ah.... I think not. Here again we have your practice of "proof-texting" that encourages "reading in the small" and actually pitting Scripture against Scripture, hiding and distorting many teachings of the Bible. In other word...twisting!
Pax Christi
"from henceforth, all generations shall call me Blessed." ---Luke 1:48.
You Catholics do Worship Mary fordman.
The Catholic Church claims Mary was without sin.
Romans 3:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
So why fordman and mwc68 are you calling God a liar by teaching Mary was without sin????
Matthew 4:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "
You are ONLY to Worship and serve God!
Praying the Rosary is Worshiping and serving Mary as your God fordman and mwc68 and God will punish both of you for this.
We are ONLY to pray to God.
The Catholics claim they are only Venerating Mary, but yet they BOW down to the Statue of Mary when they do this.
Exodus 20:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Bowing down to the Statue of Mary is a Mortal sin that will keep the Catholics from entering into Heaven.
The Catholic Church claims Mary was without sin.
Romans 3:9
[SUP]9 [/SUP]for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin;
Romans 3:23
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
So why fordman and mwc68 are you calling God a liar by teaching Mary was without sin????
Matthew 4:10
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the LORD your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "
You are ONLY to Worship and serve God!
Praying the Rosary is Worshiping and serving Mary as your God fordman and mwc68 and God will punish both of you for this.
We are ONLY to pray to God.
The Catholics claim they are only Venerating Mary, but yet they BOW down to the Statue of Mary when they do this.
Exodus 20:4-5
[SUP]4 [/SUP] "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;
[SUP]5 [/SUP] you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Bowing down to the Statue of Mary is a Mortal sin that will keep the Catholics from entering into Heaven.
Don't be too hard on the guy, Protestants don't worship Mary, but they still celebrate Christmas and Easter which are traditions and doctrines that the Catholics invented. It was for the purpose of collectively putting Roman god's together with Christianity, trying to resurrect the Roman Empire. They also invented the Gregorian calendar which we all abide by and none of those things are Biblical. You'd be surprised how many non-Biblical traditions the Protestants observe that are not Biblical but are Catholic.
The Apostles Creed recited by many Protestant denominations.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
from whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
Westminster Presbyterian Church
Nicene Creed - Westminster Presbyterian Church
Constantine approved. 325 AD
The "Universal Church" is actually the "Catholic Church."
The Apostles Creed recited by many Protestant denominations.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
And in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sitteth at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
from whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
Westminster Presbyterian Church
Nicene Creed - Westminster Presbyterian Church
Constantine approved. 325 AD
The "Universal Church" is actually the "Catholic Church."
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