When does the rapture occur?

[ChrisHill]

Are you trying to say that Jesus is the one who is doing the deceiving ???

If that is what you are saying then you are completely wrong and have been badly miss taught passages from the bible.
For it was Jesus who said the man of sin will come and deceive others, and was not referring to Himself. The times and laws that is being spoke of being changed is not referring to the change from the OT covenants to the NT covenant.

That passage only refers to the end time Tribulation period, and is not to be applied before hand.
The changing or adding of things to the word now days is called Apostasy teaching, and denying the deity of Christ is a very bad thing to do. For the Word of God clearly says if you deny the Son then you have denied the Father !!!

No, I'm not saying the true Jesus will be doing the deceiving. I'm saying most of you expect the true Jesus to come and say he's God.

The Bible says there is a man who will do this, the man of sin. My point is, how will you refrain from being deceived by the man of sin if he claims to be the true Jesus, and claims to be God? Which is what he will do...Jesus is clear that his identity will be in question by the end, to deceive even the elect.

[Matthew 24:5 NKJV] "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
[Matthew 24:23 NKJV] "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here [is] the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe [it].
[Matthew 24:24 NKJV] "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[Matthew 24:25 NKJV] "See, I have told you beforehand.
[Matthew 24:26 NKJV] "Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; [or] 'Look, [He is] in the inner rooms!' do not believe [it].

There's only one way to come in his name and claim to be the Christ - and that's to pretend to be him.

 

[KennethC]

No, I'm not saying the true Jesus will be doing the deceiving. I'm saying most of you expect the true Jesus to come and say he's God.

The Bible says there is a man who will do this, the man of sin. My point is, how will you refrain from being deceived by the man of sin if he claims to be the true Jesus, and claims to be God? Which is what he will do...Jesus is clear that his identity will be in question by the end, to deceive even the elect.

[Matthew 24:5 NKJV] "For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many.
[Matthew 24:23 NKJV] "Then if anyone says to you, 'Look, here [is] the Christ!' or 'There!' do not believe [it].
[Matthew 24:24 NKJV] "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
[Matthew 24:25 NKJV] "See, I have told you beforehand.
[Matthew 24:26 NKJV] "Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; [or] 'Look, [He is] in the inner rooms!' do not believe [it].

There's only one way to come in his name and claim to be the Christ - and that's to pretend to be him.

Because for one the bible clearly teaches how Jesus will return, and for two the bible also shows were to look for to know the man of sin.

The bible gives clear instructions to keep from being deceived, and no the majority of Christians do not believe that Jesus will come saying He is God. There would be no need to do that as His coming and the rise of the man of sin comes in two different ways. One being a earthly rise to power, and the other He will come in the clouds where everybody will see Him at the same time !!!

 

[ChrisHill]

Because for one the bible clearly teaches how Jesus will return, and for two the bible also shows were to look for to know the man of sin.

The bible gives clear instructions to keep from being deceived, and no the majority of Christians do not believe that Jesus will come saying He is God. There would be no need to do that as His coming and the rise of the man of sin comes in two different ways. One being a earthly rise to power, and the other He will come in the clouds where everybody will see Him at the same time !!!

I would say just don't worship a man as God and you'll be OK.

But, I don't think you're taking Jesus' warning about being deceived seriously enough. Satan is a formidable enemy, and he could certainly figure a way to introduce his false Jesus in a way that would seem to fulfill this prophecy. Deception is his thing.

 

[Jason0047]

I would say just don't worship a man as God and you'll be OK.

But, I don't think you're taking Jesus' warning about being deceived seriously enough. Satan is a formidable enemy, and he could certainly figure a way to introduce his false Jesus in a way that would seem to fulfill this prophecy. Deception is his thing.

Well, Jesus still has a physical body right now and for all time. For he lives forever more to intercede for us (Hebrews 7:25). However, that said, I think the key is in knowing that when Christ returns, we will know that every eye shall see him when he comes down from out of the clouds. So while the Antichrist may make the claim that he has ascended from above (without many seeing Him), we know he is false because not every eye has seen this false Christ return in the clouds. Therein is the test.

 

[PlainWord]

As for Jerusalem, this also was a literal foreshadow of the heavenly Israel of God, confirmed in the words of the Apostle Paul who declared: ""...the Jerusalem today, is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our Mother." (Galatians 4:25, 26)

Thanks for the long history lesson. You cite Gal 4 above so you must be familiar with the rest of the passage. You mention Jerusalem and by extension the Children of Israel but fail to mention that Paul also discussed the Bondwoman in this passage. The Bondwoman, Hagar, of course was the Mother of Ishmael who of course is the Father of the Muslim world.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, [SUP]24 [/SUP]which things are symbolic. For these are the[SUP][d][/SUP] two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.

If you look closely at the next section, we see that it is indeed the Muslim world which persecutes the Jewish world.

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.

And even so it is now and has been for centuries and thousands of years. It has always been Israel's neighbors, those they failed to remove completely from the Land which have been a constant thorn in their side which will also come against them at the end under the Man of Sin.

Numbers 33:55

But if you do not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you, then it shall be that those whom you let remain shall be irritants in your eyes and thorns in your sides, and they shall harass you in the land where you dwell.

Whose God's will be a problem? Hint: Not Catholics.

Judges 2:3

Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’”

The Children of Israel had this nasty habit of worshiping the gods of the Lands where they were captured, dwelt or were taken. We saw it in Egypt, while in the desert of Saudi Arabia, in Babylon, etc.

 

[PlainWord]

This fornication with the kings of the earth began almost two thousand years ago [long before Islam existed!] when Emperor Theodosius I in 380 C.E.declared that: "All those embracing the Trinity shall henceforth be known as Catholic." so was born the Catholic Church with its first Pope Damasus and not Peter as they try to claim. In the meantime, the original followers of 'The Way' rejected this and continued as the original members did under the Apostles. (Acts 19:9, 23)

Mystery Babylon is decidedly not Catholic. They have their doctrinal issues but they worship the correct God. To worship a "harlot" means you must worship a false god. The key to being any pagan religion is that you worship false god(s)/idol(s). Islam worships a false god, "Allah" and a false prophet, "Muhammad." In comparing Catholics to Islam which of the two is more of a false religion? Also, there are more followers of Islam than there is of Catholicism.

As compelling as the above argument is, we have another clue of the identity of the "Harlot."

Revelation 13:10

He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

This concept of being "captive" to one's religion is used specifically for the Harlot and the Beast from the Sea which are Muslim nations. We already saw the idea that Hagar is the "Bondwoman" in that she is enslaved from Gal 4. We see that her offspring (from Ishmael) will persecute the Jews. One could never call the Catholic faith an "enslaving" religion. They are perhaps the least enslaving faith on earth with license to do pretty much whatever they want for the price of a few "Hail Marry's." However, Islam is perhaps the most enslaving religion on the planet. You have to follow their customs "religiously" or face death.

Once the Israelites passed through the Red Sea they entered modern day Saudi Arabia. Here, in the wilderness of Arabia, they came to Mt. Sinai where Mosses was given the Law. Upon descending Mt. Sinai, Mosses found that his people made a "golden calf" idol to worship. This was obviously a custom they learned in Egypt. Where was John taken to see Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots?

[SUP]3 [/SUP]So he carried me away in the Spirit into the wilderness. And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast...

The same exact wilderness John's fathers were when they worshiped the golden calf idol.

What was the first and most important of all commandments?

[SUP]3 [/SUP]“You shall have no other gods before Me.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; [SUP]5 [/SUP]you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God...

Catholics have their rosary beads and crucifixes but are they idols or symbols of their worship of Mary and Jesus (granted, the Mary worship is problematic)? But what do Muslim's worship? What do they circle and bow down to in their most holy of sites in Mecca? The Kaaba Stone. What is the Kaaba? It is "an image fallen from the sky." It is a meteor, a likeness of something from the heavens.

John symbolically uses the word, "Waters" to describe the people who worship this Mother Harlot.

Revelation 17:15

Then he said to me, “The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.

They indeed look like a swirling water when they circle the Kaaba then when the music stops, they fall down in worship their idol. They come to Mecca for the Haj at least once in their lifetimes and they come from all peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues. Do you see the "waters?"

Can you see them coming from everywhere?

You shouldn't wait for Catholic priests to start running out beheading non-Catholics who refuse to convert because this isn't going to happen, nor should you expect to see a rebirth of the Roman Empire unless you are talking about the Eastern Roman Empire. There is a pagan faith, the largest on earth, who is beheading those who refuse to convert right now!!

If you can't see the Mother of all Harlots now, I can't help you.

 

[cerialis]

No the passage clearly says that Jesus is cut off at the end of the 69th week, not 3 1/2 years later, so that way of looking at it is flawed.

By the way you have it you have the end of the 69th week being the start of His earthly ministry, but that is not what it says, as it says He is cut off which is a reference to His crucifixion....

My dear fellow, thank you for your comment, but may I suggest that you read this prophecy again very carefully?

This is a wonderful prophecy and considered the 'jewel' amongst all the Messianic prophecies.

It begins: "There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the trangression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. (Daniel 9:24)

The prophecy however states that the Messiah would appear at the end of the sixty-ninth week of years [483 years] and many before working out the calculations have felt that this would lead to the birth of Jesus [Immanuel] but 483 years from 455 B.C. brings us to 29 A.D. the exact year in which Jesus appeared and was baptized as the Messiah [Christ], yes, he arrived exactly on time.
"And you should know and have the insight that from the going forth of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks. [69 weeks in total] (Daniel 9:25)

So the Messiah was prophesied to appear at the end of the 69th week of years [29 C.E.]

So Messiah began his work of teaching the Good News of the Kingdom at the beginning of the seventieth week of years.

"And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week [7 years 29 C.E. to 36 C.E.]; and at the half of the week" [[FONT=&quot]3 ½ years 33 C.E.[/FONT]] (Daniel 9:27) "Messiah will be cut off with nothing for himself" (Daniel 9:26)

The covenant for the many is the covenant by God to give the Hebrew nation first refusal in accepting the offer of becoming part of the 'little flock' (Luke 12:32) the Heavenly Israel of God.

This covenant began with the anointing of the Messiah at the beginning of the seventieth week in 29 C.E. when Jesus was 30 years old, he was 'cut-off' [FONT=&quot]3 ½ years later at the age of [/FONT][FONT=&quot][FONT=&quot]33 ½ [/FONT]by his execution at Golgotha and raised up as a new immortal creation three days later; [/FONT]the covenant however ran for another [FONT=&quot]3 ½ years to 36 C.E. when the offer went out to the Gentile nations initiated by the baptism of the centurion Cornelius by the Apostle Peter. Prophecy complete!

[/FONT]I look forward to your further comments.

Cerialis

 

[cerialis]

Like Thomas,they worshiped Jesus.They understood he was/is God. Do you?

You have a lot to learn my friend, The Word was the first-born of all creation and was later transfered to the womb of Mary at the appointed time to become the Messianic one who was to provide a corresponding ransom for the perfect life that Adam lost for mankind and so open the 'Way' to a second chance of this which was lost.

Jesus was never Almighty God, is not and never will be. This is proven through the correct examination of scripture which the Trinitarian fraternity have failed to do.

If Jesus was the incarnation of Almighty God, this would have made him a hybrid mongrel species which is totally abhorrent to Almighty God and for which the angels who performed this in the days of Noah are now in Tartarus [angelic incarceration] (2 Peter 2:4) awaiting judgement. (Jude 6)

If Jesus had been God as the trinitarian fraternity claim, as Almighty God is immortal and therefore cannot die nor be destroyed; he would still be hanging there!

Also as Jesus is the first-born of all creation and the only-begotten Son of God; which means that he is the only creature to be created 'personally' by Almighty God; if he was also God, when did he created himself?

Almighty God is a 'being' and not a creature.

One last but very important scriptural point, if Jesus was Almighty God incarnate, which means without equal and of the highest position there is; then how do we equate this with the fact that Jesus, on his recreation after his death at Golgotha; was created with a status higher than during his prehuman existence. (Philippians 2:9, 10)

So if he was God, how could he be re-created as something higher than he was before and who created him?

Alexander

 

[cerialis]

Read it again. You ARE MAKING IT SAY THAT.

YOU HAVE AN AGENDA. To minimize the King,Jesus.

Jesus is God.
Michael is a created being.
Jesus is creator.

Strange how this error is exposed in Jesus earthly ministry. Why did he operate as Jesus?


But do not deflect again. Address the Deity of Jesus.

Not at all my dear fellow, you are glossing over the deeper things of God and therefore losing the sense in which it is written.

When the Word was born to Mary having been transferred to her womb as a perfect human seed (John 1:14) Joseph and Mary were directed that his name should in this capacity be Jesus as opposed to the Word or Michael as he is called in Daniel; the only one strong enough to oppose Satan and is angelic demons. (Daniel 10:13)

If you check carefully, you will notice that Jesus, like Satan; is given a different name in conjunction with his task at the time. In Revelation 12:7-12 we see the Word of God in his capacity as God's champion to cast Satan out of heaven and so cleanse the heavenly Temple of God as he cleaned God's earthly Temple two thousand years ago as Jesus the Messiah.

As he was not a deity while on earth as the scriptures also inform us, he became 'lower' than the angels; (Hebrews 2:9) which would have been impossible if he had been Almighty God incarnate and also his human sacrifice would have been unacceptable; because he was to provide a ransom which corresponded to the perfect man Adam. So if Jesus was Almighty God incarnate, then so was Adam!

Think again my friend, you have a lot to check over.

cerialis

 

[KennethC]

My dear fellow, thank you for your comment, but may I suggest that you read this prophecy again very carefully?

This is a wonderful prophecy and considered the 'jewel' amongst all the Messianic prophecies.

It begins: "There are seventy weeks that have been determined upon your people and upon your holy city, in order to terminate the trangression, and to finish off sin, and to make atonement for error, and to bring in righteousness for times indefinite and to imprint a seal upon vision and prophet, and to anoint the Holy of Holies. (Daniel 9:24)

The prophecy however states that the Messiah would appear at the end of the sixty-ninth week of years [483 years] and many before working out the calculations have felt that this would lead to the birth of Jesus [Immanuel] but 483 years from 455 B.C. brings us to 29 A.D. the exact year in which Jesus appeared and was baptized as the Messiah [Christ], yes, he arrived exactly on time.
"And you should know and have the insight that from the going forth of the word to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Leader, there will be seven weeks, also sixty-two weeks. [69 weeks in total] (Daniel 9:25)

So the Messiah was prophesied to appear at the end of the 69th week of years [29 C.E.]

So Messiah began his work of teaching the Good News of the Kingdom at the beginning of the seventieth week of years.

"And he must keep the covenant in force for the many for one week [7 years 29 C.E. to 36 C.E.]; and at the half of the week" [3 ½ years 33 C.E.] (Daniel 9:27) "Messiah will be cut off with nothing for himself" (Daniel 9:26)

The covenant for the many is the covenant by God to give the Hebrew nation first refusal in accepting the offer of becoming part of the 'little flock' (Luke 12:32) the Heavenly Israel of God.

This covenant began with the anointing of the Messiah at the beginning of the seventieth week in 29 C.E. when Jesus was 30 years old, he was 'cut-off' 3 ½ years later at the age of 33 ½ by his execution at Golgotha and raised up as a new immortal creation three days later; the covenant however ran for another 3 ½ years to 36 C.E. when the offer went out to the Gentile nations initiated by the baptism of the centurion Cornelius by the Apostle Peter. Prophecy complete!

I look forward to your further comments.

Cerialis

I think you need to read it again as it does not say the Messiah appears at the end of the 69th week, it says He is cut off, which is a reference to His crucifixion. I have studied this and seen the math and it matches with history, so you are not going to switch my view when the bible and history match the calculation of the 1 prophetic week equaling 7 years and the 70th week is not the Messiah.



English Standard Version
And after the sixty-two weeks, an anointed one shall be cut off and shall have nothing. And the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. Its end shall come with a flood, and to the end there shall be war. Desolations are decreed.

New American Standard Bible
"Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.

King James Bible
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
After those 62 weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the coming prince will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come with a flood, and until the end there will be war; desolations are decreed.


62 plus the first 7 equals 69, so we see that the Messiah is cut off (crucified) at the end of the 69th week, not that He appears at the end.

 

[cerialis]

Are you referring to the ark of the covenant?

There is evidence it was never returned,but I believe it was there. Otherwise the tearing of the veil was meaningless.

No my dear fellow, the Ark of the Covenant has nothing to do with the Shekinah light which appeared in the Most Holy when Solomon's Temple was completed and remained until God cast off the nation in 607 B.C.E.

As I further stated: "This was brought notably to their attention years later when Jeus pointed at the Temple and declared: "Look! Your house is abandoned to you!" (Matthew 23:38)

This of course angered the Pharisees and the Sadducees who had been keeping this a secret since 539 B.C.E.

The reason for this change was that the Shekinah light was a foreshadow of the greater Shekinah, Jesus Christ himself who declared: "I am the light of the world." (John 8:12)

cerialis

 

[cerialis]

From wiki;

The Way has a number of doctrines wherein they differ from mainstream Christianity:

• Rejection of the Trinity: Unlike God, Jesus is not omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
• Jesus did not exist before his birth except in the foreknowledge of God; at his birth, God created the sperm to fertilizeMary's ovum, and is the literal father of Jesus. Joseph and Mary married soon after she became pregnant with Jesus and had sexual relations after the birth of Jesus, so she was therefore not a "perpetual virgin" as many Christians believe.
• In "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today", Holy Spirit is a reference to God, rather than a separate entity or person. This term is contrasted with the "holy spirit" (lower case), which is a reference to a divine gift from God.[SUP][23][/SUP] Wierwille claims that English translators of the Bible missed this distinction, and that Greek manuscripts were written in uncial script, which further confused the subject.
• There are nine manifestations of the holy spirit and every born again Christian can inherently operate all nine. The list is derived from I Corinthians 12:7–10 (King James Version). Speaking in tongues, energizes the "effectual operation" of the other eight manifestations. Speaking in tongues has numerous benefits for a believer.
• There were four people crucified with Jesus, (on a Wednesday) rejecting the standard interpretation which holds that there were two. Different Greek words were used for those crucified with Jesus in the different Gospel accounts, as well as discrepancies in timing, statements, and actions of the characters in the narrative. Two malefactors (kakourgoi) were initially led and crucified with Jesus in Luke 23:32, then two robbers (lestai) were later crucified after his accusation was fastened in Matthew 27:38. Accordingly, two others were crucified on both sides of Jesus for a total of four.

Wrong movement my dear fellow, you are referring the:
[FONT=&quot]
‘The Way International’ which is now recognized as a ‘right-wing’ religious group which induces a faith of ‘fear’ into all its followers. Like the virus ‘Vampirus Bacillus’, once injected it spreads through the mind and body; rendering the recipient impervious to opposition and self-reasoning while inducing a fear of retribution to anyone who manages to break away from this cult![/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]This movement is in no way connected to the original movement of the first century ‘The Way’ (Acts 19:9, 23) of which both the ‘anointed’ followers of Jesus and later the non-anointed belonged and those of us today.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]

Like the early followers of The Way, there are four foundational teachings:

The Bible is one Bible [The inspired Word of God] It has one foundational doctrine [The Ransom] It has one Thread [The Kingdom Seed]
It has one hope [A ‘second chance’ for ‘all’ mankind of everlasting life on the earth

This has been taught now for over two thousand years.

Not one church in Christendom teaches this!

cerialis

 

[cerialis]

Well, Jesus still has a physical body right now and for all time. For he lives forever more to intercede for us (Hebrews 7:25). However, that said, I think the key is in knowing that when Christ returns, we will know that every eye shall see him when he comes down from out of the clouds. So while the Antichrist may make the claim that he has ascended from above (without many seeing Him), we know he is false because not every eye has seen this false Christ return in the clouds. Therein is the test.

Read your Bible my friend, if Jesus still had a physical body he would still remain 'lower' than the angels!

However, as it happens, on his raising up after his death a Golotha; he became a new immortal creation in the same manner as his anointed heavenly 'little flock' (Luke 12:32) to whom also the kingdom of the heavens belongs.

Paul informs us that on their raising up to meet the Lord in the air they too become a new immortal creation just like the heaven,y one Jesus. (1 Corinthians 15:49-54: 2 Corinthians 5:17)

So he cannot be an immortal heavenly creature and have a physical body at the same time, because that would make him a hybrid mongrel species which is abhorrent to Almighty God; just at the angelic sons of God were in the days of Noah when they took on human bodies to cohabit with the beautiful women on the earth!

cerialis

 

[popeye]

Not at all my dear fellow, you are glossing over the deeper things of God and therefore losing the sense in which it is written.

When the Word was born to Mary having been transferred to her womb as a perfect human seed (John 1:14) Joseph and Mary were directed that his name should in this capacity be Jesus as opposed to the Word or Michael as he is called in Daniel; the only one strong enough to oppose Satan and is angelic demons. (Daniel 10:13)

If you check carefully, you will notice that Jesus, like Satan; is given a different name in conjunction with his task at the time. In Revelation 12:7-12 we see the Word of God in his capacity as God's champion to cast Satan out of heaven and so cleanse the heavenly Temple of God as he cleaned God's earthly Temple two thousand years ago as Jesus the Messiah.

As he was not a deity while on earth as the scriptures also inform us, he became 'lower' than the angels; (Hebrews 2:9) which would have been impossible if he had been Almighty God incarnate and also his human sacrifice would have been unacceptable; because he was to provide a ransom which corresponded to the perfect man Adam. So if Jesus was Almighty God incarnate, then so was Adam!

Think again my friend, you have a lot to check over.

cerialis

You are on a christian site.
We know the word,

I can smell you and your cult teaching a mile off.

Jesus is God as the word declares.
Jesus received worship.
The FATHER CALLED HIM GOD IN HEBREWS.

Stop acting like you know what you are talking about.

 

[popeye]

Read your Bible my friend, if Jesus still had a physical body he would still remain 'lower' than the angels!

However, as it happens, on his raising up after his death a Golotha; he became a new immortal creation in the same manner as his anointed heavenly 'little flock' (Luke 12:32) to whom also the kingdom of the heavens belongs.

Paul informs us that on their raising up to meet the Lord in the air they too become a new immortal creation just like the heaven,y one Jesus. (1 Corinthians 15:49-54: 2 Corinthians 5:17)

So he cannot be an immortal heavenly creature and have a physical body at the same time, because that would make him a hybrid mongrel species which is abhorrent to Almighty God; just at the angelic sons of God were in the days of Noah when they took on human bodies to cohabit with the beautiful women on the earth!

cerialis

What a shame those cult freaks that taught you twisted your mind.

That is why you leave out verses huh?

You have never investigated squat. You pick verses to fit your doctrine and seek to minimise the King.Jesus

You are a fraud and a danger.

 

[popeye]

Wrong movement my dear fellow, you are referring the:

‘The Way International’ which is now recognized as a ‘right-wing’ religious group which induces a faith of ‘fear’ into all its followers. Like the virus ‘Vampirus Bacillus’, once injected it spreads through the mind and body; rendering the recipient impervious to opposition and self-reasoning while inducing a fear of retribution to anyone who manages to break away from this cult!

This movement is in no way connected to the original movement of the first century ‘The Way’ (Acts 19:9, 23) of which both the ‘anointed’ followers of Jesus and later the non-anointed belonged and those of us today.

Like the early followers of The Way, there are four foundational teachings:

The Bible is one Bible [The inspired Word of God] It has one foundational doctrine [The Ransom] It has one Thread [The Kingdom Seed]
It has one hope [A ‘second chance’ for ‘all’ mankind of everlasting life on the earth

This has been taught now for over two thousand years.

Not one church in Christendom teaches this!

cerialis

......but fails miserably on the rock and cornerstone Jesus.

This is why you will not directly address my questions on the Deity of JESUS huh?

Like all cults,EVERY SINGLE ONE, you fail,crash and burn on this ONE ISSUE. The deity of Jesus

 

[popeye]

No my dear fellow, the Ark of the Covenant has nothing to do with the Shekinah light which appeared in the Most Holy when Solomon's Temple was completed and remained until God cast off the nation in 607 B.C.E.

As I further stated: "This was brought notably to their attention years later when Jeus pointed at the Temple and declared: "Look! Your house is abandoned to you!" (Matthew 23:38)

This of course angered the Pharisees and the Sadducees who had been keeping this a secret since 539 B.C.E.

The reason for this change was that the Shekinah light was a foreshadow of the greater Shekinah, Jesus Christ himself who declared: "I am the light of the world." (John 8:12)

cerialis

As with most of your mess this claim is BASELESS..

 

[popeye]

You have a lot to learn my friend, The Word was the first-born of all creation and was later transfered to the womb of Mary at the appointed time to become the Messianic one who was to provide a corresponding ransom for the perfect life that Adam lost for mankind and so open the 'Way' to a second chance of this which was lost.

Jesus was never Almighty God, is not and never will be. This is proven through the correct examination of scripture which the Trinitarian fraternity have failed to do.

If Jesus was the incarnation of Almighty God, this would have made him a hybrid mongrel species which is totally abhorrent to Almighty God and for which the angels who performed this in the days of Noah are now in Tartarus [angelic incarceration] (2 Peter 2:4) awaiting judgement. (Jude 6)

If Jesus had been God as the trinitarian fraternity claim, as Almighty God is immortal and therefore cannot die nor be destroyed; he would still be hanging there!

Also as Jesus is the first-born of all creation and the only-begotten Son of God; which means that he is the only creature to be created 'personally' by Almighty God; if he was also God, when did he created himself?

Almighty God is a 'being' and not a creature.

One last but very important scriptural point, if Jesus was Almighty God incarnate, which means without equal and of the highest position there is; then how do we equate this with the fact that Jesus, on his recreation after his death at Golgotha; was created with a status higher than during his prehuman existence. (Philippians 2:9, 10)

So if he was God, how could he be re-created as something higher than he was before and who created him?

Alexander

This is watchtower garbage lies.

You do not know your bible at all.

Your doctrine is error. You are a heretic big time. The lies you spew are from hell as are the demon freaks that teach you.

There is no converting this mess. You could be delivered from this satanic pit you are in,but for many years I have dealt with cults,and it is rare that you people convert.

You do damage. You and your cult demon teachers. You harm mankind,and like a spider in a web,you await victims to molest with your demon spiritual trash.

YOU LIE ABOUT THE SAVIOR.YOU LIE ABOUT SCRIPTURE.

 

[popeye]

Jesus was never Almighty God, is not and never will be. This is proven through the correct examination of scripture which the Trinitarian fraternity have failed to do.

almighty God vs God, Huh?

Watchtower big time.

BTW,this utter stupidity has been debunked big time.

 

[popeye]

Banned into watchtower neverland in 3......2......1........