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this place is like nascar....you don't really want a wreck but on some level you are hoping to see one....Lol.
Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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this place is like nascar....you don't really want a wreck but on some level you are hoping to see one....Lol.
The problem is also that you mwc68 belittle what God says in the Scriptures and call them our opinion only. You really do not show any respect for what God says in the Scriptures that you do like like.
You belittle what God says and accept only what the Catholic Church says.
I have never posted anything on here from my Church. Only what God has said in the Scriptures have i posted on here.
If you want to compare Scriptures and debate over them only, then I have no problems with you being on this site. But if you keep calling us idiots and refuse to back up with Scriptures what you teach, most people here really do not want you here.
I am more then willing to have you stay on this site if you really want to discuss Theology from the Scriptures.
You belittle what God says and accept only what the Catholic Church says.
I have never posted anything on here from my Church. Only what God has said in the Scriptures have i posted on here.
If you want to compare Scriptures and debate over them only, then I have no problems with you being on this site. But if you keep calling us idiots and refuse to back up with Scriptures what you teach, most people here really do not want you here.
I am more then willing to have you stay on this site if you really want to discuss Theology from the Scriptures.
Do you ever concede that anyone on this planet could have a valid opinion other than yourself, Ken ?
A lot of catholic doctrine base on lie.
Example.
The infallibility of Pope in moral and dogma.
Popes before 1964 believe salvation only through Catholic church, there isn't salvation outside the mother church.
Than in 1964 there is Lumen gentium said Muslim is in the plan of salvation.
Its mean pope after 1964 accused Popes before them wrong/fallible.
I don't believe there is salvation outside of the church. I believe some are saved and got some splainin to do to Big Daddy(not the pope) the Father Almighty
Lumen gentium II/16
.(126) But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God,
So you not believe what Pope believe.
How is telling the Truth that mwc68 really does not like what God says in the Scriptures is an opinion Pumicestone?
I know for a fact mwc68 rejects where God says in the Scriptures that everybody is a sinner AND accepts the lie from the Catholic Church that Mary was without sin.
How is this an opinion pumicestone? Its a fact Pumicestone not an opinion.
I know for a fact mwc68 rejects where God says in the Scriptures that everybody is a sinner AND accepts the lie from the Catholic Church that Mary was without sin.
How is this an opinion pumicestone? Its a fact Pumicestone not an opinion.
Salvation is NOT based on which Church you attend mwc68 because most people who do accept Salvation are not in a Church.
This is another lie of the Catholic Church that only by being a member of the Catholic Church can a person receive Salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Where in this verse mwc68 does God also say we have to be in the Catholic Church to receive Salvation?
This is another True fact Pumicestone and not an opinion like you teach.
This is another lie of the Catholic Church that only by being a member of the Catholic Church can a person receive Salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Where in this verse mwc68 does God also say we have to be in the Catholic Church to receive Salvation?
This is another True fact Pumicestone and not an opinion like you teach.
so you admit that you are a sect as I have said all along? only sects claim to be the only true source of salvation.
lol show me where Peter taught the following:
growth of RC doctrine (some dates are approximate)
1 . Prayers for the dead . …………-------------------……300 A.D.
2. Making the sign of the cross ………………………… …300 A.D.
3. Veneration of angels & dead saints …………---------…….375 A.D.
4. Use of images in worship………………………………… . 375 A.D.
5. The Mass as a daily celebration……………………………… 394 A.D.
6 Beginning of the exaltation of Mary; the term, "Mother of God" applied a Council of Ephesus……………. .----------------------------------------- 431 A.D.
7 Extreme Unction (Last Rites)……………………………… ..526 A.D.
8. Doctrine of Purgatory-Gregory 1…………………………… .593 A.D..
9. Prayers to Mary & dead saints ……………………………… .600 A.D.
10. Worship of cross, images & relics ……………………… … 786 A.D.
11 Canonization of dead saints ………………………………… ..995 A.D.
12. Celibacy of priesthood …………………………………… …1079 A.D.
13. The Rosary ……………………………………………… … 1090 A.D.
14. Indulgences ……………………………………………… …..1190 A.D.
15. Transubstantiation-Innocent III …………………………… 1215 A.D.
16. Auricular Confession of sins to a priest …………………… 1215 A.D.
17. Adoration of the wafer (Host)…………………………… .. 1220 A.D.
18. Cup forbidden to the people at communion …………………..1414 A.D.
19. Purgatory proclaimed as a dogma……………………………..1439 A.D.
20. The doctrine of the Seven Sacraments confirmed …………….1439 A.D.
21 Tradition declared of equal authority with Bible by Council of Trent…………………………………………----------------… 1545 A.D.
22. Apocryphal books added to Bible ………------------……….1546 A.D.
23. Immaculate Conception of Mary……………………………….1854 A.D.
24, Infallibility of the pope in matters of faith and morals, proclaimed by the Vatican Council ……………… 1870 A.D.
25. Assumption of the Virgin Mary (bodily ascension into heaven shortly after her death) ……………………………-----------------------------------……1950 A.D.
26. Mary proclaimed Mother of the Church……………………… 1965 A.D.
See mwc68, all you want to do is belittle people who are not Catholic.
Lets see mwc68, you claim to have received Salvation but yet you reject what God says in the Scriptures. You teach doctrines of the Catholic Church and refuse to show any Scriptures to back up those Doctrines. You malign Christians who listen to the Truth from the Holy Spirit and call then our opinions. You refuse to provide absolutely proof of anything you say from the Scriptures.
When will you realize that doing the works of Satan is not what God wants you to do? How is it doing the Will of the Father when you call the Holy Spirit a liar and say Mary was without sin? How is it doing the Will of the Father when you call the Holy Spirit a liar and say Salvation is only received from the Catholic Church? How is it doing the Will of the Father when you call the Holy Spirit a liar and say praying to Mary is not Idolatry?
Lets see mwc68, you claim to have received Salvation but yet you reject what God says in the Scriptures. You teach doctrines of the Catholic Church and refuse to show any Scriptures to back up those Doctrines. You malign Christians who listen to the Truth from the Holy Spirit and call then our opinions. You refuse to provide absolutely proof of anything you say from the Scriptures.
When will you realize that doing the works of Satan is not what God wants you to do? How is it doing the Will of the Father when you call the Holy Spirit a liar and say Mary was without sin? How is it doing the Will of the Father when you call the Holy Spirit a liar and say Salvation is only received from the Catholic Church? How is it doing the Will of the Father when you call the Holy Spirit a liar and say praying to Mary is not Idolatry?
This is my faith. I do not represent the Church officially, but it is how I was raised and I don't know these devil worshippers that constantly talk about. If that upsets you so much, please refrain from talking with me! It is a beautiful day here in S.E. Texas and I am outside rehearsing my music for this evening and enjoying my pond. If you choose to be angry today, go ahead! I choose to praise God in His nature and be thankful!!!!!!
The point is mwc68 God will not listen to you as long as you keep practicing your sins. You may be praising God but He will not listen to those who refuse to stop sinning.
You cannot claim to be a Child of God and keep sinning willingly.
Its sad you really do not want the Truth from God. Jesus did tell us not to cast our Pearls before swine.
Matthew 7:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
The swine in this verse are those who refuse to listen to God, and refuse to follow God. This verse applies to both non believers and those who claim to be believers such as Catholics and other Cults.
You cannot claim to be a Child of God and keep sinning willingly.
Its sad you really do not want the Truth from God. Jesus did tell us not to cast our Pearls before swine.
Matthew 7:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
The swine in this verse are those who refuse to listen to God, and refuse to follow God. This verse applies to both non believers and those who claim to be believers such as Catholics and other Cults.
What denomination are you in? You actually know very little about the Catholic faith. Who is the authority that says whether a denomination or church is acceptable to the Lord?
It doesn't matter whether you believe no salvation outside the church.
But Vatican officially state Muslim in the plan of salvation. You may agree or not.
That statement it self prove that Pope is fallible
That statement indirectly accused Popes before that statement wrong/ fallible.(to my knowledge, before 1964 catholic teach, there isn't salvation outside the RCC, like what you believe now.)
Ken, here is my song list for Mass this evening
Here is our King------David Crowder
How Deep the Father's Love For Us-------Stuart Townsend
Hungry-------Kathryn Scott
Blessed Be Your Name---Matt Redman
Now sir, please explain why today I am anxiously awaiting to play these songs for my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, AND NOT hungover from playing a death metal gig last night?
Consider Jesus' tone when he dealt with heresy! You would not have liked it .
It mean you don't believe Muslim in the plan of salvation.
It's what officially Pope teach.
Mean you believe this official teaching is wrong.
Mean you believe Pope may wrong in teaching/doctrine,
mean you accused the doctrine of infallibility Pope is wrong/lie.