Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Didn't Moses serve in Pharoahs court? Brothers and Sisters I stand here today to tell you that Moses was a tennis player and tennis is God's. game. See what i mean? How is that any different than what you do? One more, Jesus had to have driven a Honda because the word says the were all in His Accord!
God never gave the Roman Catholic Church any Authority because the Roman Catholic Church was NOT around in the time the Disciples were walking the Earth.
All the Disciples were given the Keys to Heaven, not just Peter. Peter never was the Pope, Peter never even walked into the Roman Catholic Church.
Therefore all Authority was given to all the Disciples, even Paul!
The Roman Catholic did not exist in the time of Jesus and therefore could not be given any Authority.
Your Church mwc68, the Roman Catholic Church does not have any Authority, only the True Church which is Jesus has the Authority not the Roman Catholic Church.
God does not recognize the Roman Catholic Church as being a True Christian Church. This is why God removed all power from the Roman Catholic Church in 1517 to hand over to the Protestants all Authority over all the Churches. Your Church mwc68 the Roman Catholic Church has no Authority today.
Only the Protestant Churches today have the Authority to interpret the Scriptures and this was proven mwc68 when God destroyed the Roman Catholic Church and gave the Scriptures back to His True Children!
All the Disciples were given the Keys to Heaven, not just Peter. Peter never was the Pope, Peter never even walked into the Roman Catholic Church.
Therefore all Authority was given to all the Disciples, even Paul!
The Roman Catholic did not exist in the time of Jesus and therefore could not be given any Authority.
Your Church mwc68, the Roman Catholic Church does not have any Authority, only the True Church which is Jesus has the Authority not the Roman Catholic Church.
God does not recognize the Roman Catholic Church as being a True Christian Church. This is why God removed all power from the Roman Catholic Church in 1517 to hand over to the Protestants all Authority over all the Churches. Your Church mwc68 the Roman Catholic Church has no Authority today.
Only the Protestant Churches today have the Authority to interpret the Scriptures and this was proven mwc68 when God destroyed the Roman Catholic Church and gave the Scriptures back to His True Children!
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I just wanted to say I am sorry if I came off to be rude.
But the fact still remains that the Catholic church, and I was a member of it for a few years, does teach some falsehoods and unbiblical teachings. They also like I showed you give a false history of their church, as the church going by the name of Catholic can not be formed before the term was even used.
The term catholic came in the 2nd century (101-200 AD), and the Catholic church came from then.
Before the 2nd century believers were either part of the Western Church or Eastern Church and were called by the name of Christians by others. Christian was not even the term used by believers at first, as others outside the Church called them this first to be as an insult.
Christianity was then accepted and adopted well before catholic was even heard of or used, so the true Church of the Lord is not the Catholic church. It is the body of all believers in Him rather they are Catholic, Baptist, Evnagelist, Non-Denominational, or any other denomination.
As long as a person believes in the Lord as their Savior and follows His teachings they are His sheep and are saved, no matter what the name is that is printed on the building you go to. Even if you hold service with a handful of people in your house then you are following His teachings. As the gathering together does not have to be in big groups, as the Lord says where 2 or more are gathered in His name He is there among them.
A small gathering is just as much of the Lord and saved as a big gathering..............
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Yes, so Mary was the "mother of God" in that sense. Jesus was fully God in flesh and spirit, therefore Mary was the earthly mother of a being who was fully God, and she became so at the moment of His physical birth. It's just a simple matter of logic.
I know it sounds contradictory, but that is true in the same way that God is a man. God is a man NOW, since God became a man. Since Jesus, the second person of the Trinity was born of a virgin, it means that that mother was His mother- ie. God's Mother. If it can be said that Jesus is Christ and God, then it can be said that God was born of a virgin. And the one who gives birth in the world is a mother. Jesus is God and He had a mother. It's very simple, and one need not draw any strange implications from that fact like Mary preceding Jesus or something.
Anyway, Mary is mentioned, if not by name in the Epistles. Paul writes that Jesus was born of a woman in Galatians. That's an important fact. Why else would Paul put it that way but to reflect the virgin birth?
Now the early Church, although it did see Jesus (who is God) as taking on flesh from an earthly mother, did not lay out the Catholic idea of immaculate conception that Mary was born sinless. I believe that that is a later innovation.
However in the first centuries of Christianity when the church laid out the Nicene Creed Christians beleive in and when they chose the Bible's books we all believe in, those same Christians called Mary the Mother of God (in Greek Theotokos). But they didn't mean anything irrational by that.
So Mother of God is a fine term, but "Immaculate Conception of Mary herself" was not part of the early ideas but was instead an invention.
I know it sounds contradictory, but that is true in the same way that God is a man. God is a man NOW, since God became a man. Since Jesus, the second person of the Trinity was born of a virgin, it means that that mother was His mother- ie. God's Mother. If it can be said that Jesus is Christ and God, then it can be said that God was born of a virgin. And the one who gives birth in the world is a mother. Jesus is God and He had a mother. It's very simple, and one need not draw any strange implications from that fact like Mary preceding Jesus or something.
Anyway, Mary is mentioned, if not by name in the Epistles. Paul writes that Jesus was born of a woman in Galatians. That's an important fact. Why else would Paul put it that way but to reflect the virgin birth?
Now the early Church, although it did see Jesus (who is God) as taking on flesh from an earthly mother, did not lay out the Catholic idea of immaculate conception that Mary was born sinless. I believe that that is a later innovation.
However in the first centuries of Christianity when the church laid out the Nicene Creed Christians beleive in and when they chose the Bible's books we all believe in, those same Christians called Mary the Mother of God (in Greek Theotokos). But they didn't mean anything irrational by that.
So Mother of God is a fine term, but "Immaculate Conception of Mary herself" was not part of the early ideas but was instead an invention.
I didn't realise that any of those words were in the Greek text. I guess its the usual Roman Catholic amended version. What I see is your pathetic and blasphemous attempt to dodge the issue. I realise that that is how Roman Catholics interpret Scripture. WE true Apostolic catholics take it seriously and understand it as it is meant to be understood..
But she was NOT the mother of God in any normal meaning of the term mother. She was the God-bearer. In no way did she conceive God or bring Him into being. She was simply the God-bearer.
God is not a man. It is true that God became man, but He was not restricted within His manhood. It is your kind of loose terminology and thinking that results in heresy. God is NOT now a man. Man is not seated on the eternal throne. That is why Jesus in His manhood was depicted as on another throne at God's right hand. The Scripture knows nothing of your position.
The very fact that she was a virgin proves that she was NOT God's mother. You should read a book about human conception. She was the mother of Jesus' humanity not of His Godhood. As the creeds say, 'Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of (coming from the womb of) the virgin, Mary.' 'Born of the seed of David ACCORDNG TO THE FLESH' (Romans 1.2).
Born of (coming from the womb of) but not conceived by. Thus she was not His mother in any normal sense of the word. God was NOT conceived by a virgin. Mary was the God-bearer, not the mother of God. In subjects like this you have to be exact. Islam arose because of slack language like yours.
One who adopts a child is also a mother. But not his real mother. Jesus was not conceived by Mary. in a unique sense she adopted Him and bore Him in her womb. She was not His 'real mother' for He did not share her sinful nature..
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You simply expose yourself by such foolish statements. Jesus was God made man. A unique event in world history is not 'very simple'. Mary was the mother of His manhood but not of His Godhood. To call her the mother of God is to deceive. At no stage was she the mother of God in the normal sense of the word mother.
But if she was His mother in the normal sense of the word she DID precede Him. That is unavoidable.
No one is questioning the virgin birth. But 'mother' strictly means one who conceived and brought to birth. Mary did not conceive and bring to birth, she only brought to birth One Who was eternal and eternally begotten. She was not thus truly His mother.
you give yourself away. theotokos does not mean 'God-mother' it means God-bearer. It makes the distinctions I make above. It was a term carefully chosen in order to avoid the term 'mother of God'. However, it is not a Scriptural term. It was an attempt by fourth century Christians (over 300 years after the New Testament) to convey certain ideas. It is NOT Scriptural truth. And it was specifically used in order to avoid the term 'mother of God' (theometer)..
No it is a deceptive and misleading term. GOD HAS NO MOTHER. He is eternal.
God is not a man. It is true that God became man, but He was not restricted within His manhood. It is your kind of loose terminology and thinking that results in heresy. God is NOT now a man. Man is not seated on the eternal throne. That is why Jesus in His manhood was depicted as on another throne at God's right hand. The Scripture knows nothing of your position.
The very fact that she was a virgin proves that she was NOT God's mother. You should read a book about human conception. She was the mother of Jesus' humanity not of His Godhood. As the creeds say, 'Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of (coming from the womb of) the virgin, Mary.' 'Born of the seed of David ACCORDNG TO THE FLESH' (Romans 1.2).
Born of (coming from the womb of) but not conceived by. Thus she was not His mother in any normal sense of the word. God was NOT conceived by a virgin. Mary was the God-bearer, not the mother of God. In subjects like this you have to be exact. Islam arose because of slack language like yours.
One who adopts a child is also a mother. But not his real mother. Jesus was not conceived by Mary. in a unique sense she adopted Him and bore Him in her womb. She was not His 'real mother' for He did not share her sinful nature..
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You simply expose yourself by such foolish statements. Jesus was God made man. A unique event in world history is not 'very simple'. Mary was the mother of His manhood but not of His Godhood. To call her the mother of God is to deceive. At no stage was she the mother of God in the normal sense of the word mother.
But if she was His mother in the normal sense of the word she DID precede Him. That is unavoidable.
No one is questioning the virgin birth. But 'mother' strictly means one who conceived and brought to birth. Mary did not conceive and bring to birth, she only brought to birth One Who was eternal and eternally begotten. She was not thus truly His mother.
you give yourself away. theotokos does not mean 'God-mother' it means God-bearer. It makes the distinctions I make above. It was a term carefully chosen in order to avoid the term 'mother of God'. However, it is not a Scriptural term. It was an attempt by fourth century Christians (over 300 years after the New Testament) to convey certain ideas. It is NOT Scriptural truth. And it was specifically used in order to avoid the term 'mother of God' (theometer)..
No it is a deceptive and misleading term. GOD HAS NO MOTHER. He is eternal.
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Its interesting that the Roman Catholics do not want the Truth that is from God. They want their ears tickled with false doctrines.
2 Timothy 4:2-5
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
We True Christians are to "Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching". Because the time HAS come where people will not endure the Truth and will listen to false teachers and fables. Fables like Mary was sinless. Fables like Mary was assumed into Heaven. Fables like you can only receive Salvation if you are in the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church. Listening to false teaches like Pope Francis who cannot make up his mind on what the Truth is.
It does not matter what the Roman Catholics say for we are to be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, doing the work of an evangelist. We are to continue in bringing the Truth from God to the Roman Catholics. We are to continue teaching them the Truth about Salvation to the Roman Catholics.
Above all we are to PREACH the Word to all who will listen! Even to the Roman Catholics! Because some Roman Catholics will hear the Truth from God and will turn away from the Roman Catholic Church like some of us have done when we heard the Truth!
2 Timothy 4:2-5
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
We True Christians are to "Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching". Because the time HAS come where people will not endure the Truth and will listen to false teachers and fables. Fables like Mary was sinless. Fables like Mary was assumed into Heaven. Fables like you can only receive Salvation if you are in the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church. Listening to false teaches like Pope Francis who cannot make up his mind on what the Truth is.
It does not matter what the Roman Catholics say for we are to be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, doing the work of an evangelist. We are to continue in bringing the Truth from God to the Roman Catholics. We are to continue teaching them the Truth about Salvation to the Roman Catholics.
Above all we are to PREACH the Word to all who will listen! Even to the Roman Catholics! Because some Roman Catholics will hear the Truth from God and will turn away from the Roman Catholic Church like some of us have done when we heard the Truth!
The problem is I'm not a teacher. I attend classes at Church and i study apologetics. I understand my faith and I know why you left the Church. A lot of Catholics get discouraged and feel they aren't learning and growing. When some slick talking "bible christian" comes along and these Catholics ,like you, don't know they are being lied to about the faith. I do study and i do know that what you call fairy tales is what the church teaches I believe you are the one teaching fairy tales of OSAS, and communion doesn't matter, rock concert "worship"services. and so forth. You have chosen to follow these fairytales and propably never took the time to learn the Catholic faith instead of the propaganda you are obviously filled with
There were municipal elections held across Spain yesterday, municipal and one of the candidates running for mayor of Madrid asked that the Holy Spirit guide the voters and choose her.. She lost.
One of the ministers of the incumbant national leadership has asked the Virgin Mary to provide jobs for the unemployed.
The paton saint of Valencia is called San Vicente Mat Judios, or St. Vincint Jew killer.
ST James is called Santiago Mata Moros, or St James Muslim killer.
The barbarities go on and on, with no stopping. These names are used to this day.
The vilages all have different versions of Mary, with statukes of her being either miraculously furnished by a saint, or washing ashore , and so on.
It is very sad to see how gullible people are who do not know their Savior is Jesus Christ.
One of the ministers of the incumbant national leadership has asked the Virgin Mary to provide jobs for the unemployed.
The paton saint of Valencia is called San Vicente Mat Judios, or St. Vincint Jew killer.
ST James is called Santiago Mata Moros, or St James Muslim killer.
The barbarities go on and on, with no stopping. These names are used to this day.
The vilages all have different versions of Mary, with statukes of her being either miraculously furnished by a saint, or washing ashore , and so on.
It is very sad to see how gullible people are who do not know their Savior is Jesus Christ.
I will paste my own reply to another thread here in Bible Discussion. It shines a bright light on my understanding of the various denominational practices since Christ's advent.
"In the Word we learn of the Great Whore, sitting on seven hills. She is the mother of whores.
If you know what is meant in the Old Testament by the term, "playing the whor," you probably know who she is and who her daughters are.
All who believe Jesus Christ are children of love, peace, patience and all other spiritual attributes, and they cannot be as described in the title of his thread.
God bless all who are truly in Jesus Christ, the family of God, amen"
"In the Word we learn of the Great Whore, sitting on seven hills. She is the mother of whores.
If you know what is meant in the Old Testament by the term, "playing the whor," you probably know who she is and who her daughters are.
All who believe Jesus Christ are children of love, peace, patience and all other spiritual attributes, and they cannot be as described in the title of his thread.
God bless all who are truly in Jesus Christ, the family of God, amen"
Actually mwc68 it was the Roman Catholic Church that was lying to me saying Mary had to be sinless to keep Jesus Christ sinless. It also was the Roman Catholic Church that was deceiving me when they taught that Mary was assumed into Heaven.
I found the Truth in the Scriptures from the Holy Spirit. This is why i left the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church. You can say all you want about how only the Roman Catholic Church has the Truth, BUT I have found from personal study of the Scriptures with the Holy Spirit teaching me the Truth that your church the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church is teaching lies from men as Doctrines from God.
You will never enter into Heaven mwc68 until by Faith and Grace only you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and receive the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit like I did when I left the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church.
Even your Pope Francis cannot make up his mind as to what is the Truth. If the Pope cannot know the Truth how can you ever know the Truth from God? Why are you allowing blind men like Pope Francis to lead you by the nose into Hell? Would it be better to know the Truth and spend Eternity in Heaven with Jesus Christ instead of in Hell with Pope Francis?
The choice is yours to make mwc68. Nobody can make it for you.
The choice is Repent and listen to the Holy Spirit or reject what the Holy Spirit says and spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire. As for me i will enter into Heaven after I die.
Romans 10:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I have confessed and i have received Salvation. I WILL enter into Heaven when I die! Can you say the same mwc68?
I found the Truth in the Scriptures from the Holy Spirit. This is why i left the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church. You can say all you want about how only the Roman Catholic Church has the Truth, BUT I have found from personal study of the Scriptures with the Holy Spirit teaching me the Truth that your church the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church is teaching lies from men as Doctrines from God.
You will never enter into Heaven mwc68 until by Faith and Grace only you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and receive the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit like I did when I left the Corrupted Roman Catholic Church.
Even your Pope Francis cannot make up his mind as to what is the Truth. If the Pope cannot know the Truth how can you ever know the Truth from God? Why are you allowing blind men like Pope Francis to lead you by the nose into Hell? Would it be better to know the Truth and spend Eternity in Heaven with Jesus Christ instead of in Hell with Pope Francis?
The choice is yours to make mwc68. Nobody can make it for you.
The choice is Repent and listen to the Holy Spirit or reject what the Holy Spirit says and spend Eternity in the Lake of Fire. As for me i will enter into Heaven after I die.
Romans 10:9-10
[SUP]9 [/SUP] that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
I have confessed and i have received Salvation. I WILL enter into Heaven when I die! Can you say the same mwc68?