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also I am NOT talking about Christ's return. I am only speaking about something God revealed to me.
When does the rapture occur?
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You do know that there are prophecies that have not happened yet, that seem to point to a full scale Nuclear War in the mid-east, PRIOR to HIS Second Coming? That War will leave Iraq, western Iran, several major Cities in Syria, portions of Israel, and Southern Jordan, totally destroyed and uninhabited; and most of Iraq, Southern Jordan, and those Cities in Syria will remain uninhabited from generation to generation, and no one will even camp their overnight. WHY? Most likely because of the radio active remains in the soil.
Were you a follower of Harold Camping?
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Messiah, the Christ is the Vine, and we are the branches. Some branches are natural branches (Jews who genuinely believe in the Messiah as LORD); and there are many branches that are grafted in (Gentiles who believe in the Messiah as Lord).
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The stench of sin is great in america,however,the remnant believers are in the way of judgement,(see abraham's dialog concerning the sodomite's city).
This is WHY the church and HS must be removed. It goes to God's testimony/purposes.
If you connect the dots,we have The ac revealed,the church and HS removed,the times of the gentiles completed with the slaughter of the left behind ones,and the time of Jacob's/Israel's /(Jewish) trouble beginning.
Now,,if it starts this year,then THAT is what God means,(by removing his hand this year)not that the sin dimension is the only factor
Testing and sifting is what separates the wheat from the tares. Sorting with the rod is what separates the sheep from the goats. Enduring tribulation confirms faith. Romans 5:1-5
1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: [SUP]
2 [/SUP]By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Hang in there because it's coming.
We are not appointed to Wrath, but the Tribulation is not Wrath. We are Tribulation Saints along with John, as he calls himself one in the beginning of Revelation.
Whether or not the Church is to remain through the last 7 years, the truth remains that we are to be prepared for His Coming Today, and every day called Today. Whether by death or being caught up, tomorrow is not guaranteed.
I do not trust man's interpretation of prophecy. I trust the Promises.
No matter which side is right about the last 7 years and the Millenium,
our destiny in Christ does not rest upon educated guesses and systematic studies of eschatology, but upon the grace of God, through faith in Christ. No Believer, regardless of opinion on timelines, will be Left Behind when He Comes. He knows His Sheep.
Do not make idle threats to justify theories. Stick to the Gospel.
It is better to forget all else except the Gospel, than to pursue high thoughts of the unknown, and cause division among brethren. Divisions are against the Gospel, but mere differing opinions are not.
We agree and are unified in Christ... not about prophetic timelines. Such things are to be considered foolishness before the weight of the Gospel.
This is a good discussion to have, but do so with unity of Spirit and love. Let it be edifying. Disagreement does not need to become division and disunity.
Whether or not the Church is to remain through the last 7 years, the truth remains that we are to be prepared for His Coming Today, and every day called Today. Whether by death or being caught up, tomorrow is not guaranteed.
I do not trust man's interpretation of prophecy. I trust the Promises.
No matter which side is right about the last 7 years and the Millenium,
our destiny in Christ does not rest upon educated guesses and systematic studies of eschatology, but upon the grace of God, through faith in Christ. No Believer, regardless of opinion on timelines, will be Left Behind when He Comes. He knows His Sheep.
Do not make idle threats to justify theories. Stick to the Gospel.
It is better to forget all else except the Gospel, than to pursue high thoughts of the unknown, and cause division among brethren. Divisions are against the Gospel, but mere differing opinions are not.
We agree and are unified in Christ... not about prophetic timelines. Such things are to be considered foolishness before the weight of the Gospel.
This is a good discussion to have, but do so with unity of Spirit and love. Let it be edifying. Disagreement does not need to become division and disunity.
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So the question becomes:
If it doesn't occur by the end of the year,
who do you think "revealed" this to you?
and what are you going to do about it?
Actually, I believe the second coming of Christ will be in correlation with the feasts. 3 of them anyway. Unleavened, weeks and tabernacles. Those 3 may very will work together in coordination with the signs we have been given. Between the fall harvest is trumpets and atonement. Harvest and trumpets (the months of Av, Ekul and Tishri) seem to compare well with 1 Corinthians 1 Thessalonians, and Matthew 24.
NO, the branches that do no bare fruit are cut off an thrown in the fire.
Of the remaining branches, HE SHOWS NO FAVORITISM.
John 15:5-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] “I am the vine; you are the branches. The one who remains in Me and I in him produces much fruit, because you can do nothing without Me.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] If anyone does not remain in Me, he is thrown aside like a branch and he withers. They gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Matthew 7:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
Galatians 5:18-26 (HCSB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Now the works of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, moral impurity, promiscuity,
[SUP]20 [/SUP] idolatry, sorcery, hatreds, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, selfish ambitions, dissensions, factions,
[SUP]21 [/SUP] envy, drunkenness, carousing, and anything similar. I tell you about these things in advance—as I told you before—that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. {That is talking about lifestyle characteristics, not one time sins. Whatever you practice, you get better at.}
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control. Against such things there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] Since we live by the Spirit, we must also follow the Spirit.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] We must not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
Psalm 106:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] How happy are those who uphold justice, who practice righteousness at all times.
The LOVE of God that the Holy Spirit poured into our hearts (Rom. 5:5) the moment we were SAVED by HIS GRACE, produces a desire to show our Love for God, by practicing righteousness.
Romans 2:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] There is no favoritism with God.
1 John 2:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
They were NOT true branches that became barren, but rather, then were never really part of the vine in the first place, and even if they think they were grafted in, the graft was never done correctly, thus they never bore any fruit.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] “If you love Me {are born again}, you will keep My commands.
1 John 5:3 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For this is what love for God is: to keep His commands. Now His commands are not a burden,
Wow, I thought every one heard of the False Prophet Harold Camping. He predicted the Day the World would END at least three different dates, and was wrong every time. His followers were selling all their property and and homes to give all of that money to him to put up all kinds of big billboards across the USA to get the message out of the exact day the World would END.
Harold Camping was into the FALSE DOCTRINE of Numerology. He made excuses for his mistakes, and mostly blamed an error in math, for his failed predictions. I think the last time he picked a specific date, was for Judgement Day to happen on May 21, 2011. I know of three dates that Harold Camping picked, but I think that May 21 was the last one, but maybe there were more before I heard of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZxxH6W_QIU
This billboard below went up only in a couple cites after May 21, 2011 in, came and went.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Revelation 3:10 (NKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth. {If it is coming upon the WHOLE WORLD, we have be somewhere else, than ON THIS WORLD.}
Revelation 6:15-17 (NIV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
[SUP]17 [/SUP] For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"
Revelation 16:1 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."
Revelation 16:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.
Revelation 15:7 (NIV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Then one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls filled with the wrath of God, who lives for ever and ever.
Revelation 7:13-14 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?"
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And I said to him, "Sir, you know." So he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 6:9-11 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, "How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.
NOW, tell me again how you come to the conclusion that the events of the Great Tribulation described in the book of Revelation have nothing to do with the Wrath of GOD?
YES, all genuine believers will be Called Out when Christ come for HIS BRIDE. But the Holy Spirit does not stop doing what what HE does best, when HE is taken out of the way. HE continues to convict and convert MANY during the Great Tribulation. He had NO PROBLEM doing that before the Day of Pentecost, and HE will have no problem continuing to do that AFTER He is taken out of the way.
One other point, MANY who call themselves Christians, NEVER KNEW HIM in reality. They settled for something far less that an inner person LOVE relationship with HIM as LORD, meaning submitting to HIM as MASTER.
Matthew 7:20-23 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Sarah,
I liked your post because it was well reasoned and well presented; but, I am not in full agreement for these reasons:
In first century Jewish thought there is a concept of a three tiered heaven alluded to in 2 Co 12:2
2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
such an one caught up to the third heaven.KJV
Within this concept, the atmosphere is regarded as the first heaven.
1 Th 4:13-18
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
KJV
IMO, this scenario allows Jesus to rapture the Church without leaving heaven or appearing to anyone but the saints.
I believe the Church will go through part of the tribulation. The Church will experience the wrath of man and of Satan; but, NOT the wrath of God.
I believe that the first five seals have already been opened; and that the Rapture will occur after the sixth seal is opened ; but before the seventh.
If my analysis is correct everything in your presentation is correct ; but the conclusion must be adjusted to allow for a mid-trib rapture.
If you find my analysis faulty, I'd love to discuss it.
This billboard picture is not real. It is a graphically edited image...
I did some research and I found others that found the picture of THAT WAS AWKWARD questionable. The site that I got it from claimed it was in Dallas.
However I must admit that when I thought May 21, 2011 was his last prediction, that too was NOT CORRECT. I found out during that search, that Harold Camping made a 4th End of the World prediction of Oct. 21, 2011. I also found out that people who fell for his false teachings, donated over $80,000,000 in that two year period, leading up to Oct. 21, 2011. How much Christ-like good could that have done to feed those starving in the world, with that money. I really will never understand how so many people get deceived so easily by such False Prophets.
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This billboard picture is not real. It is a graphically edited image...
Here is the site that I got that THAT WAS AWKWARD billboard picture from from, that was awkward | Googli Eyes ; and on another side it mention Dallas and a City in NC had the same billboard, if I remember right.
It showed up on a google search with the rest of the photos of the real Harold Camping billboards.
Here is another:
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Escape Verses? Please enlighten me.
What escape verses for the church do you find?The church in heaven??? Where is the "raptured" church in heaven found? I've got to see this. I see a slaughtered Great Multitude who came out of Great Tribulation, the very one you insist we are to avoid. But, no raptured church is shown in heaven.