Assessment of Job
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I don't think Job did sin. He rightly did not agree with his "friends" judgement of the situation. And I don't think God accused him of sin , maybe wrong. Job to me is a perfect example of Jesus, Loosing friends, family possessions, but remaining faithful. Job was not suffering for his own sins, But as a witness to Satan, principalities and powers, for God , Like Jesus and hopefully ourselves.Some of the Ps. to me are Jesus praying in the Garden, His struggle to drink the cup from the father, as he sweat blood, before his crucifixion and sound similar to Job
Job 32.1 says this:
Then these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.
If you read chapters 32-27 it becomes very clear that Job had a pride and self righteousness problem.
Again remember that the friend rebuking Job in Chapters 32-37, Elihu, is not mentioned with the other 3.
If anyone represents Jesus in the book of JOb, it would actually be Elihu, who is the 4th man not mentioned with the others.
Whenever we see a 4th man, like in the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, we should be thinking theophany.
I agree it is all subject to personal interpretation and I am not arguing against you.
For years I preached and taught Job was just about faith through adversity and that God is sovereign and this is also true.
Then these three men ceased answering Job, because he was righteous in his own eyes.
If you read chapters 32-27 it becomes very clear that Job had a pride and self righteousness problem.
Again remember that the friend rebuking Job in Chapters 32-37, Elihu, is not mentioned with the other 3.
If anyone represents Jesus in the book of JOb, it would actually be Elihu, who is the 4th man not mentioned with the others.
Whenever we see a 4th man, like in the story of Shadrach, Meshach and Abed-nego, we should be thinking theophany.
I agree it is all subject to personal interpretation and I am not arguing against you.
For years I preached and taught Job was just about faith through adversity and that God is sovereign and this is also true.
Strictly chronologically speaking: I would place Job's story sometime shortly after Abraham died (During the life of Jacob). Abraham was also was a great man of faith and God said Job was unique. As for a natural flow of reading all the narratives in the Bible as a whole, I think a good place to read Job's story would be inbetween the story of Joseph and the story of Moses.
1. Joseph's Story.
2. Job's Story.
3. Mose's Story.
I say this because there is a natural narrative flow from Abraham to Joseph that should not be broken up.
1. Joseph's Story.
2. Job's Story.
3. Mose's Story.
I say this because there is a natural narrative flow from Abraham to Joseph that should not be broken up.
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Yes it is very clear Job repented of his actions in chapter 42. Only sin requires repentance...
Elihu, man that guy rips Job, and his understanding....wow.
Then Elihu gets thru and God himself jumps right on the ripping bandwagon until Job was just speechless...
The bottom line is exactly what you stated, he was righteous in his own eyes, and he thought it was of no profit not to sin....all these things he became aware of and that the 'attitude of his mind' was wrong, thus his final repentance in chapter 42 and his eventual double blessing.
On another note, all of Job's three friends had a very deep understanding, of course they were wrong in their accusations, but i honestly had to go back and re read their rebuttals to Job once i saw they were wrong, i thought they sounded really smart for a couple farmers thousands of years ago, wow.
Makes me feel like we have lost that initial understanding of the holy ones God had no trust in, it was like very early in humanity it was just common knowledge to them...and how about where one says 'who can bring something pure' from the earth....Christ can of course, but just their whole understanding of spiritual things, and how they spoke so cleverly, I was just DEEP.
The whole thing was just amazing to me. Took me several times reading it to find HOW the friends were wrong though, they were all very clever for some old camel farmers..lol. I learned just as much in the three friends rebuttals as from the rest of the book. Once I got the understanding of where these friends were coming from....it was like they were speaking down on all of humanity itself, like the Angels weren't even pure, so how could one born of woman ever be...it is just an amazing book.
Elihu, man that guy rips Job, and his understanding....wow.
Then Elihu gets thru and God himself jumps right on the ripping bandwagon until Job was just speechless...
The bottom line is exactly what you stated, he was righteous in his own eyes, and he thought it was of no profit not to sin....all these things he became aware of and that the 'attitude of his mind' was wrong, thus his final repentance in chapter 42 and his eventual double blessing.
On another note, all of Job's three friends had a very deep understanding, of course they were wrong in their accusations, but i honestly had to go back and re read their rebuttals to Job once i saw they were wrong, i thought they sounded really smart for a couple farmers thousands of years ago, wow.
Makes me feel like we have lost that initial understanding of the holy ones God had no trust in, it was like very early in humanity it was just common knowledge to them...and how about where one says 'who can bring something pure' from the earth....Christ can of course, but just their whole understanding of spiritual things, and how they spoke so cleverly, I was just DEEP.
The whole thing was just amazing to me. Took me several times reading it to find HOW the friends were wrong though, they were all very clever for some old camel farmers..lol. I learned just as much in the three friends rebuttals as from the rest of the book. Once I got the understanding of where these friends were coming from....it was like they were speaking down on all of humanity itself, like the Angels weren't even pure, so how could one born of woman ever be...it is just an amazing book.
As with others of the Old Testament, His faith was counted for righteousness. Many are described in Hebrews, Chapter 11 I believe. God Himself TWICE praised Job. I will go with God as to what kind of man Job was.
Now, did he get on God's last nerve? Yes, and God redressed/admonished him for that, but he never cursed God, nor stopped believing in and loving God.
Just me I suppose, but before one criticizes Job, maybe they should try walking a mile in his shoes. I wouldn't want to do that, for I don't know that my faith would be as strong as his.
Now, did he get on God's last nerve? Yes, and God redressed/admonished him for that, but he never cursed God, nor stopped believing in and loving God.
Just me I suppose, but before one criticizes Job, maybe they should try walking a mile in his shoes. I wouldn't want to do that, for I don't know that my faith would be as strong as his.
[h=1]Job 42 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h][h=3]Job Replies to the Lord[/h]42 Then Job replied to the Lord:
2 I[a] know that You can do anything
and no plan of Yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, “Who is this who conceals My counsel with ignorance?”
Surely I spoke about things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to[b] know.
4 You said, “Listen now, and I will speak.
When I question you, you will inform Me.”
5 I had heard rumors about You,
but now my eyes have seen You.
6 Therefore I take back my words
and repent in dust and ashes.[c]
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[SUP]1[/SUP] Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
[SUP]2[/SUP] I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
[SUP]3[/SUP] Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
[SUP]5[/SUP] I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
[SUP]6[/SUP] Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
Also read below if you like too for more understanding of why Job repented to GOD.
2 I[a] know that You can do anything
and no plan of Yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, “Who is this who conceals My counsel with ignorance?”
Surely I spoke about things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to[b] know.
4 You said, “Listen now, and I will speak.
When I question you, you will inform Me.”
5 I had heard rumors about You,
but now my eyes have seen You.
6 Therefore I take back my words
and repent in dust and ashes.[c]
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[SUP]1[/SUP] Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
[SUP]2[/SUP] I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
[SUP]3[/SUP] Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
[SUP]4[/SUP] Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
[SUP]5[/SUP] I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
[SUP]6[/SUP] Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
Also read below if you like too for more understanding of why Job repented to GOD.
- [h=3]Job 42 - Job's Repentance and Restoration - Bible Hub[/h]biblehub.com/commentaries/guzik/commentaries/1842.htm
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Job repented of his complaints against and challenges to God. · Job repented of ...Curiously, Elihu is not addressed by God in this final chapter. Some people ...
And I suggest you study the word repent in chapter 42 as it is not indicative of repenting of or for sin......it is the word nacham and means....to SIGH, to be sorry in a favorable sense, to pity, console, to comfort self.....Job was tested and had questioned himself and his friends wondering what he had done to deserve these tragic events of his life.....when he realized that it had nothing to do with his righteousness or lack thereof before God he changed his mind, consoled himself and was sorry for thinking that God had caused all of this trouble.....the bible is clear...in chapter 2 it states clearly that JOB, through the whole process did not SIN against God WITH HIS LIPS.......my quote above was valid and correct!
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God said unto Satan that Job was righteous and perfect. Job's friends were saying that because of his sin he was suffering. Job wouldn't relent of his opinion that he was not suffering for his sin. But didn't know why. Then Elihu, claiming he was in place of God, Speaking for God. Please!!! He said basically the same thing that God would not cause suffering except it be for sin. Even so far as if you repent God will stop. Elihu was so full of pride and haughtiness. Even when God spoke and interrupted Elihu he said " who is this that darkens counsel by words with no knowledge?" Speaking to Elihu, Could be mistaken. Even at the end ,speaking to Jobs friend saying "Ch 42 My wrath is kindled against thee and your two friends for you have not spoken for me the thing that is right, as my servant Job has. Job all along said God was almighty and righteous.
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He was not talking about Elihu, God says nothing about Elihu, he was talking about Job darkening his counsel that's why Job says this:
3*[You asked,] 'Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?'*Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.*
4*["You said,] 'Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.'*
5*My ears had heard of you*but now my eyes have seen you.*
So Job said HIMSELF who it was God was talking to, and that verse was about himself in the first person there, as to whom God was referencing darkening his counsel, NOT ELIHU.
Of the entire Book, Elihu is the ONLY ONE that God doesnt rebuke.
3*[You asked,] 'Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?'*Surely I spoke of things I did not understand, things too wonderful for me to know.*
4*["You said,] 'Listen now, and I will speak; I will question you, and you shall answer me.'*
5*My ears had heard of you*but now my eyes have seen you.*
So Job said HIMSELF who it was God was talking to, and that verse was about himself in the first person there, as to whom God was referencing darkening his counsel, NOT ELIHU.
Of the entire Book, Elihu is the ONLY ONE that God doesnt rebuke.