Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[Cloud9]

In his statement of faith he simply says that Jesus Christ existed before creation. That is an indication that he does not see Him as eternal.

May I suggest you do your proselytising on another thread. Or do you also see yourself as a heretic?

May I suggest you get another avatar name because if you aren't brave enough to follow where the truth leads then you shouldn't be calling yourself valiant.

But I believe you are valiant because anybody who defends the Gospel with the amount of detail like you do has spent some time around God in the scriptures and He will rub off on a person...He and all His Ways.

So why don't you spend some more time around Him establishing the truth?

Because the Lord likes to use good men who are dedicated to serving the truth.

 

[Elin]

Why would anyone in their right mind want the fire in the bible to be literal?

That is merciless thinking.

Why would anyone in their right mind want to be subject to the wrath of God
by being apart from Christ, but there it is right there in Jn 3:36; Ro 5:9, 1:18; Eph 5:6;
Col 3:6; 1Th 1:10; Rev 19:15.

That is neither "wrathful" nor "merciless" thinking.
That is Biblical thinking.

Your problem is unbelief. . .not "the ancient languages."

I am sorry but I believe better than you do.

We'll know that when you stop denying the word of God written.

I evangelized in unsafe quarters.

I am brave enough to put in,the work and establish the truth.

No fear of man is going to hold me back...I am a Caleb...I am a Joshua...

You identify with the crowd if you want.

I identify with Jesus Christ and the Apostles. That is my true family and I am a citizen of Heaven and my true family is in Heaven.

Sounds commendable. . .

 

[Jeff_56]

yahshua has always been in union as one with yahweh forever eternally before time existed,
HIS WORD is simple and clear. that isn't even fodder for another thread... there is no question.

"15 To the pure all things are pure, but to the corrupt and unbelieving nothing is pure; their very minds and consciences are corrupted. 16 They profess to know God, but they deny him by their deeds; they are detestable, disobedient, unfit for any good deed."
Revised Standard Version of the Bible, copyright © 1946, 1952, and 1971 the Division of Christian Education of the National Council of the Churches of Christ in the United States of America. Used by permission. All rights reserved.

 

[Cloud9]

You know valiant...you are one year older than Moses....why don't you lead people to Christ's freedom and strike down the hell doctrine.

 

[Cloud9]

We'll know that when you stop denying the word of God written.


Sounds commendable. . .

You have a fear of man dictating to you.

A saner person would,have checked like a Berean does.

 

[Cloud9]

We'll know that when you stop denying the word of God written.


Sounds commendable. . .

Go visit Everett Cox at his Deliverance Ministries site.

He will teach you how to cast out that fear demon because by your actions you are trying to put people in bondage to false fear mongering doctrines.

 

[Cloud9]

Didn't you all know fear is a communicable disease?

I tell the devil to leave when he starts up with his fear messages. I give him his walking papers and kick him in the rear on the way out. All in the name and authority of Jesus, of course.

Perfect love casts out fear...It will never leave you mentally bound.

 

[Elin]

Why would anyone in their right mind want the fire in the bible to be literal?

That is merciless thinking.

Why would anyone in their right mind want to be subject to the wrath of God
by being apart from Christ, but there it is right there in Jn 3:36; Ro 5:9, 1:18; Eph 5:6;
Col 3:6; 1Th 1:10; Rev 19:15.

That is neither "wrathful" nor "merciless" thinking.
That is Biblical thinking.

Your problem is unbelief. . .not "the ancient languages."

You have a fear of man dictating to you.

That would be Jesus and James?

A saner person would,have checked like a Berean does.

My point precisely. . .checked the word of God, that is. . .not the dictates of man.

 

[Cloud9]

Praise Jesus. He gives me victory and all my fears relieves.

There are days I could carry bibles into Muslim countries.

 

[Cloud9]

Give God The Glory!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nPUX748nIFQ

 

[mattp0625]

We will tell the pope no such thing. It's not right to tell anyone to go to hell.

 

[mikeuk]

<Another load of waffle>

And none of that waffle addresses the issue that your arguments on petra petros, or sola scriptura are both untenable. But you hope to disguise it with yet more smoke. You are even dishonest about the church fathers. Augustine quotes the entire succession from Peter using that scripture as basis, in a letter I quoted, yet you pretend he did not support it?

Here he quotes both the scripture and the succession in a letter to generosus, at the time of the donatist heresy - using that very scripture.

SO YOU ARE SIMPLY WRONG VALIANT> PERIOD . nothing more to be said.

Letter of Augustine to Generosus [400 A.D.] on Apostolic Succession

[53, 1, 2] "If the very order of episcopal succession is to be considered, how much more surely, truly, and safely do we number them from Peter himself, to whom as to one representing the whole Church, the Lord said, 'Upon this rock I will build My Church, and the gates of hell shall not conquer it .' Peter was succeeded by Linus, Linus by Clement, Clement by Anacletus, Anacletus by Evaristus, Evaristus by Sixtus, Sixtus by Telesphorus, Telesphorus by Hyginus, Hyginus by Anicetus, Anicetus by Pius, Pius by Soter, Soter by Alexander, Alexander by Victor, Victor by Zephyrinus, Zephyrinus by Callistus, Callistus by Urban, Urban by Pontianus, Pontianus by Anterus, Anterus by Fabian, Fabian by Cornelius, Cornelius by Lucius, Lucius by Stephen, Stephen by Sixtus, Sixtus by Dionysius, Dionysius by Felix, Felix by Eutychian, Eutychian by Caius, Caius by Marcellus, Marcellus by Eusebius, Eusebius by Melchiades, Melchiades by Sylvester, Sylvester by Mark, Mark by Julius, Julius by Liberius, Liberius by Damasus, Damasus by Siricius, Siricius by Anastasius.

 

[Elin]

Go visit Everett Cox at his Deliverance Ministries site.

He will teach you how to cast out that fear demon because by your actions
you are trying to put people in bondage to false fear mongering doctrines.

That's the unbelief of the word of God (presented here), which belies your claim to "believe better."

 

[Cloud9]

That's the unbelief of the word of God (presented here), which belies your claim to "believe better."

I am not reading your rationalizations for your fears.

That is what an atheist does.

He rationalizes his fears so he can stay in bondage to fear.

He has a fear of commitment to God among many other fears and disabilities.

God has enabled me to step out fearlessly into this world and evangelize it against all kinds of ridicule so I am not even going to waste my time trying to relive your bondage ideas.

Waste my time trying to achieve a weak mind and will?


No Christ broke my bonds for me and we ain't visiting false justification again.

We are telling the truth now because it is the telling of the truth that vanquishes the devil and sets you free.

 

[Jeff_56]

God does not say everyone is saved Cloud9. Only those who goes through Jesus Christ are saved. All those who go through your Goddess Mary are not saved because they have not entered by Jesus Christ!......

yes, idolatry has taken place in the leaders of the rcc\, and many other groups also,but specifically here the rcc.

not everyone in the low (maybe even 'mid') levels, beginners, neophytes, new comers, may be aware of what those 'higher' or even just longer in the organization believe and practice. thus death-dealing, unaware.

 

[Cloud9]

We will tell the pope no such thing. It's not right to tell anyone to go to hell.

The pope isn't God's Vicar even if he claims to be.

Read the bible. God didn't appoint any Vicars on Earth....He appointed deacons and overseers.

And He said not to call anyone Father but Himself.

God is your father not the pope.

So don't let the pope block or steal your relationship with your Father.

 

[Cloud9]

The Victory belongs to Christ so don't let the pope steal the credit for Christ's victory.

The pope can't give anyone eternal life. Not one of them rose from the grave.

Jesus demonstrated all the power.

The popes are pompinjays trying to distract you from Jesus with their finery.

Character is more important than silk robes.

Character is true raiment.

 

[Elin]

That's the unbelief of the word of God (presented here), which belies your claim to "believe better."

I am not reading your rationalizations for your fears.

That is what an atheist does.

What you fail to understand, my dear one, is that your unbelief of the word of God is what
causes you to have to battle against fear.

And you are applying man's solution (deny what is fearful in Scripture)
instead of God's solution (believe and trust him and his word)
to your battle against fear.

You will have no real success in that battle as long as you are in willful unbelief of God's word.

You are trying to battle against fear by human means,
rather than turning to God in faith and trust as a son does.

 

[Cloud9]

I went to Catholic Church once as a kid and theybspoke in Latin....there was no word to enlighten my mind in Latin.

I don't know Latin.

 

[tourist]

I went to Catholic Church once as a kid and theybspoke in Latin....there was no word to enlighten my mind in Latin.

I don't know Latin.

It's Greek to me too.