Catholic Heresy (for the record)
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Okay. I am going to go back and read your response to my question as to why you believe Bible is inspired. Then I will follow up.
I will choose my words carefully.
If someone hurls an insult, I'll assist in taking care of it. But I don't think you will be insulted.
I need to be signing off. Will address later. Sorry, but I was ending as I checked this thread. It was my last stop before finishing.
Thank you for your patience.
I will choose my words carefully.
If someone hurls an insult, I'll assist in taking care of it. But I don't think you will be insulted.
I need to be signing off. Will address later. Sorry, but I was ending as I checked this thread. It was my last stop before finishing.
Thank you for your patience.
Firstly there is no reliable succession from whoever was first bishop of Rome up to 325 AD. But the letters of Clement and Ignatius do both demonstrate that there was no single bishop of Rome in the time when both those wrote otherwise they would have referred to the fact.
Furthermore Tertullian says of bishops of Rome after 150 AD that they 'presided in the region of the Romans'. He clearly did not see the bishop of Rome as having extensive authority.
In the early letters 'apostolic succession' referred to all churches which had been established by an Apostle. It was a device which attempted to gain the authority of the Apostles for the bishops in question. There is no suggestion that Rome was unique. There is no suggestion that that succession proved that they were especially illuminated by God. And indeed Clement of Alexandria and Origen were both Gnostics, and yet were in the 'Apostolic succession'. Even the Roman Catholic church rejected Origen which is why he never became a saint.
Thus your belief is based on church dogmatism not on evidence from the early church.
Furthermore Tertullian says of bishops of Rome after 150 AD that they 'presided in the region of the Romans'. He clearly did not see the bishop of Rome as having extensive authority.
In the early letters 'apostolic succession' referred to all churches which had been established by an Apostle. It was a device which attempted to gain the authority of the Apostles for the bishops in question. There is no suggestion that Rome was unique. There is no suggestion that that succession proved that they were especially illuminated by God. And indeed Clement of Alexandria and Origen were both Gnostics, and yet were in the 'Apostolic succession'. Even the Roman Catholic church rejected Origen which is why he never became a saint.
Thus your belief is based on church dogmatism not on evidence from the early church.
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I agree that no one likes to be misquoted but neither would I agree with indirectly telling someone to go to Hell. Rotten fruits do not encourage others in wanting to listen to someone's side of the story.
However, there are other people beside the one misquoting you who are reading your posts. I consider myself a spirit filled Christian and I don't even take everything Jeff_56 (sorry Jeff) says too serious. I think you, mwc68, just ran into a tangle of conversation there that was meant to trip you up. It's not you here and all the rest of us posting over there. There are many different types of people on this board. Please don't lump us altogether.
However, there are other people beside the one misquoting you who are reading your posts. I consider myself a spirit filled Christian and I don't even take everything Jeff_56 (sorry Jeff) says too serious. I think you, mwc68, just ran into a tangle of conversation there that was meant to trip you up. It's not you here and all the rest of us posting over there. There are many different types of people on this board. Please don't lump us altogether.
You were very adamant that you would not be converted. God is not interested in your denomination only that you should come to a genuine saving knowledge of His dear Son Christ.
God is trying to get your attention. Time to pick up the phone before God hangs up and moves on. Today is the day of salvation.
Show me where you have been misquoted.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
God is trying to get your attention. Time to pick up the phone before God hangs up and moves on. Today is the day of salvation.
Show me where you have been misquoted.
For the cause of Christ
Roger