Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[mattp0625]

See 1Co 4:6.

False- it does not say "only" or "alone", or scripture and nothing else, or scripture is all you need, or scripture is your only authority.

Thats your personal opinion

 

[mattp0625]

Non-essential doctrines would be those not relating to the orthodox doctrine of historic Christianity as stated in the historic creeds:
the inspiration of all Scripture,
the deity of Christ,
the virgin birth and his miracles,
his penal atonement,
his resurrection,
his return.

Your personal opinion.
Sola scripturist, please cite chapter and verse

 

[mattp0625]

Not a huge fan of the term essential and non-essential doctrines. If God gives us a doctrine it's essential.

It reminds me of this coined phrase that is not biblical, attributed to Augustine and Wesley: "In essentials, unity; in non-essentials, liberty; in all things charity."

ALL doctrine in all 66 books is essential.

2 Timothy 3:10-17 NKJV
The Man of God and the Word of God

[SUP]10 [/SUP]But you have carefully followed my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, perseverance, [SUP]11 [/SUP]persecutions, afflictions, which happened to me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra—what persecutions I endured. And out of them all the Lord delivered me. [SUP]12 [/SUP]Yes, and all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, [SUP]15 [/SUP]and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, [SUP]17 [/SUP]that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Agreed 100%

yet, we have thousands of Protestant sects. That's ok, since they agree on the "essentials", they will have you believe

 

[mattp0625]

Mattp0625, listen to what the Holy Spirit has to say in the Bible. The Truth is in the Bible. There are no Truths in the World because the World is ruled by Satan.

Keep on the path you are on and you will miss out on entering into Heaven. Is your Pride so great that you are willing to walk into the Lake of Fire?

Its not about the Catholic Church, its not about what they teach. Its all about accepting Salvation and receiving the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit who will teach you all the Truths from God.

Romans 5:5
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

1 Corinthians 2:10-14
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


1 Peter 1:12
[SUP]12 [/SUP] To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven--things which angels desire to look into.

The Truth, the Gospel is brought and taught to US by the Holy Spirit! We receive no truth from men, Its only from the Holy Spirit we receive the precious Truth that we are trying to share with you mattp0625.

Is your pride so great that you can condemn Catholics for not agreeing with your personal bible interpretations and then claim it's divinely inspired or through direct knowledge from God?

I have never condemned anyone here. There is only one who can

 

[valiant]

Mary was favoured by God in sin? No
Mary received the Holy Spirit in sin? No
gave birth to sinless jesus in state of sin? No
in heaven in a state of sin? No
Mary was known by God since time began? Yes
God knew she would be the mother of Jesus since time began? Yes he's omnipotent
you can tell jesus his mom was only a vessel in a state of sin. I hope you don't do that

Note the dogmatism without any Scriptural support. Possibly Matt is the Pope himself? Are you? Let us consider the facts. FACTS are such obstinate things.

Mary was favoured by God in sin? No [/quote}

All Christians are favoured by God 'in sin' (having sinned) according to Eph 1.6. That is why God then delivers them from the guilt of their sin through the shedding of blood. Mary was favoured as a forgiven sinner. Let us see what Scripture says. MARY SAID, 'My spirit rejoices in God my SAVIOUR.' (Luke 1.47). Who is the one who needs a Saviour? Answer, the one who is a sinner. She was clearly not a great sinner or God would not have chosen her. She was a forgiven sinner. Nevertheless she was sinner enough to need a Saviour. Furthermore she went up to the Passover every year to offer up a sin offering at the Passover (Luke 2.41). Why? Because she was a sinner. Then she carelessly neglected to make sure that Jesus was with them when they began to return home. That was sinful carelessness (Luke 2.44-45). Then she blamed Jesus for it (Luke 2.48). More sin! Then Jesus pointed out that she ought to have known where He was, so she had failed in that to. A catalogue of sins.

Mary received the Holy Spirit in sin? No

If you mean while still a sinner then we should note that all Christians receive the Holy Spirit while sinners although only once they have been accounted as righteous through faith (Rom 5.6; 8.1-9). We are sinners. He comes to deliver us from the grip of sin. Mary was no exception as we will see.

gave birth to sinless jesus in state of sin? No

Yes she gave birth to Jesus as a forgiven sinner. As she had said, God was her SAVIOUR. If by 'in sin' you mean as one who was unforgiven that is a different question. But I assume you don't mean that.

in heaven in a state of sin? No

At last we can agree with you. No one is in Heaven in a state of sin. Like all of us she was washed in the blood of Jesus.

Mary was known by God since time began? Yes

ALL true Christians were known by God before time began. Their names were written in the Lamb's book of life before he foundation of the world (Rev 13.9;17.8). Like us Mary was chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world in order that she might be saved from sin (Eph 1.4 onwards).

God knew she would be the mother of Jesus since time began? Yes he's omnipotent

Quite possibly. But not through omnipotence LOL Through omniscience. God knew what all of us would do before time began.

you can tell jesus his mom was only a vessel in a state of sin. I hope you don't do that

I don't need to LOL Jesus already knows. He had to give her a sharp lesson when she tried to interfere in His ministry, even refusing to see her (Mark 3.20, 31-35). She and the rest of the family wanted to take Him away from His ministry by force, so He repudiated her. When told that His mother wanted to see Him He turned away and said, 'Who is My mother? My mother are those who do the will of My Father in Heaven'. Clearly He did not see her at that stage as doing the will of His Father.

And when th woman cried, 'Blessed is the womb which bore you, and the nipples that you have sucked' Jesus replied, 'yes RATHER, blessed are those who hear the word of God and do it.' He saw those who had been faithful to His word as more blessed than Mary. (Luke 11.27-28)

 

[mattp0625]

I see. If Gabriel visits you in the same manner, I'll agree with you

 

[valiant]

Ok. Wow. That explains the mass confusion (or perceived confusion, from what your saying) in the way of life in Sola found in America these days.

"Each of us slowly gains part of the truth, and sometimes it may appear to conflict because none of us have the whole truth. But the Holy Spirit slowly builds up the truth in those who are genuinely open to Him, and gradually they converge."

Is this found in Sacred Scripture? Ive never heard of this method of Truth by the Holy Spirit.

LOL read the epistles. it is clearly revealed there. different churches had different problems and had to be guided differently. That is why Timothy was told to 'study to show yourself approved unto God'. Like us all he would go on studying for the rest of his life. But he was not to study a dead letter such as a catechism. He was to study the living Scriptures which could make him wise to salvation, and could teach and rebuke and exhort him, so that he would become 'complete. (2 Tim 3.15-17)

 

[valiant]

I see. If Gabriel visits you in the same manner, I'll agree with you

well angels do visit me (Heb 1.14; Matt 18.10). I have never asked their names.

 

[Elin]

Your personal opinion.
Sola scripturist, please cite chapter and verse

Sola Scriptura--I am in agreement with the essential teaching of the apostles from the Scriptures per the historic creeds.

All that the historic creeds present is Biblical.

Why don't you address the Scriptures which support Jesus' distinction between himself (petra) and Peter (petros) as the rock on which Jesus builds his church?

 

[valiant]

Is your pride so great that you can condemn Catholics for not agreeing with your personal bible interpretations and then claim it's divinely inspired or through direct knowledge from God?

no, lets get it right. we do not condemn you for not agreeing with US. We condemn you for going against the Scriptures and adding things to the Scriptures. And this is not on our interpretation but on the interpretation of a multiplicity of God's servants in the true church of Christ, and backed by Scripture itself.

I have never condemned anyone here. There is only one who can

You constantly seek to condemn us by the things you say.

 

[mattp0625]

Original question-Please cite which ones are not essential per the bible

 

[valiant]

Original question-Please cite which ones are not essential per the bible

you list what you think is essential then I will show you which of them is not

 

[mattp0625]

Please don't slander me. I never seek to condemn. I don't use name calling, or accuse, or say you're going to hell, or you're a heretic. Ever.

Catholics seek to embrace what we have in common, Not condemn, but we will defend the faith.

 

[Elin]

False- it does not say "only" or "alone", or scripture and nothing else, or scripture is all you need, or scripture is your only authority.

Thats your personal opinion

Sorry you can't understand the meaning of Biblical text.

Also sorry you do not know the purpose of the historical creeds.

 

[Jeff_56]

I see. If Gabriel visits you in the same manner, I'll agree with you

it's hard to tell if your one person, as you speak like the hive does that you speak for.

gabriel?

JESUS! we who are actually born from above by yahweh's will abide in and with yahshua in union with yahweh
and
not subject
to the heresies and lies and deceptions of the harlot you're in bed with.

you might never, never, ever be able to be free -- yahweh knows. we pray, if yahweh permits, for your salvation,
but it is not at all present at this time, even though yahweh sent yahshua to die in your place --- now you trample under foot the blood of yahshua
and
don't listen to HIS WORD, nor to HIM, nor to his disciples who he has sent to warn you of your almost certain destruction (you are already dead in sin, and getting worse daily , rapidly, as you keep on rejecting the TRUTH of HIS WORD
and
wallowing in your filth and the demonic doctrines and blasphemous practices of the harlot.....

remember no one here can set you free --- nor anyone you've trusted so far... only yahweh by grace and

faith in yahshua can possibly EVER help you....

your priests keep digging their fatal deadly knife in your soul and they are glad to keep you roasting over the spit of their hellish fire.

proof? you want proof? you keep calling GOD'S WORD personal opinion -- the exact opposite of what you need to do for any proof you ever hope to see ---- and man's opinion -- of the heretic priests, you trust, even though that damns you.

go figure. who can help you?

JESUS,

or the devils you serve and worship ?

 

[Jeff_56]

Please don't slander me. I never seek to condemn.

yahweh's WORD, which you say is personal opinion(and it is. it is GOD'S personal opinion) says you are a liar headed for hell. all unrepentant heretics are already judged. remember, that's what GOD'S WORD SAYS, and the owner and all the admins of this site, and all true believers who BELIEVE GOD'S WORD everywhere on earth.

it is he and he alone who can condemn you, by your own word you are judged guilty already,

and he has given your condemnation over to the WORD; so the WORD THAT YOU TRAMPLE EVERY POST, EVERY DAY,

HIS WORD will send you to the pit of hell on judgment day, because you keep on refusing to believe HIM

and

you chose and choose to believe the heretics who destroyed your chance for life so far and who will willingly

and gladly destroy your soul right now --- you trust them instead of the LIVING CREATOR YAHWEH(GOD).

 

[Galahad]

The traditions Christ gave them. A new way of life, a new Faith through the resurrection.

What were the traditions? I wasn't asking who gave them, but what they were.

How did Christ give them to the Thessalonians?

Okay, A new way of life. What would that be? What was that faith?

Remember, you put the emphasis on tradition.

In fact, here's the response where you emphasized tradition and the Bible.

"This seems pretty straight forward. Ill give it a shot.
I have to note that your disregard for any type of tradition is erroneous. Especially when I'm putting Sola into practice and lets say come across 2 Thess 2:15. I know your in a heated debate about these things but your opinion on tradition isn't inline with Sacred Scripture. WAIT! Did I just perform Sola?! I read a passage, studied it, judged all I believed in light of what it said and came to my conclusion.
OK. My next question valiant, what if two disagree on Sacred Scripture after practicing Sola?"

 

[Jackson123]

Sola Scriptura. List of non essential scriptures using the bible, please No dancing.
chapter and verse

I don't think there is non essential scriptures.

There is Non essential rule in the church like, what time is the Sunday service start, what time is the bible study, how you conduct wedding ceremony etc.

 

[mattp0625]

I don't think there is non essential scriptures.

There is Non essential rule in the church like, what time is the Sunday service start, what time is the bible study, how you conduct wedding ceremony etc.

Brother Jackson- agreed

 

[valiant]

False- it does not say "only" or "alone", or scripture and nothing else, or scripture is all you need, or scripture is your only authority.

Thats your personal opinion

it wouldn't matter what we produced you would deny it fortunately others are more discerning