He certainly never made the mistake of making the Roman Catholic church the pillar and ground of the truth. The early church in the time of the Apostles, as guided by them, were the pillar and ground of the truth because they were founded on Apostolic teaching and taught in accordance with the Apostles. When they strayed from their teaching they ceased to be the pillar and ground of the truth..
Why should you think that the Roman Catholic has any more claim to be so than the rest of the Catholic church? We all look back to the Apostles, and we non-Roman Catholics do so directly, not relying on misleading early church fathers who had no special inspiration. We are in direct line from the Apostles. There have always been Bible believing Christians from Apostolic days onwards. We are the pillar and ground of the truth, for we look to the source.
Just look at the Old Testament. God did not choose the establishment figures as prophets. He called prophets directly. He does the same today.
No thank you. They are but men. Give us citations from the Apostles which agree with those doctrines and we will believe them
'Who is MY mother?' Those who do the will of My Father are my mother.' And that is right from the source. So according to Jesus words I am the mother of God, along with millions of other true believers. Mary has no special status.
A woman cried out to Jesus, 'Blessed is the womb that bare you and the paps which suckled you', and Jesus replied 'yes rather, blessed rather are those who hear the will of God and do it.'. Thus we are more blessed than Mary, except inasfar as she shares in that blessing with us because she too finally heard the will of God and did it.
We trust the words of Jesus Himself. So you see it matters not what Calvin, or Luther, or Zwingli, or the Pope, or anyone else said. We believe what GOD said.
He handed it over to the true church of true believers in Christ Jesus. Certainly not to a lying, murderous, adulterous deceitful Roman Catholic church. LOL do I not see you present Pope veering in the direction you describe? He doesn't seem to be very clear or consistent either. And what about the 'miracles' of saints which have turned out to be spurious? And the earlier deniers of paedophilia in your church at the highest level? Your church is a Pillar of Lies.
He certainly wouldn't allow the nonsense of the claims of the Roman Catholic church. you are right on that.
you certainly are. and have been for 1300 hundred years since you were basically founded.
True but I have given you one with the hope that you will yet see the truth.
The early Catholic (not Roman Catholic) church certainly believed in Sola Scriptura. Why else did they take the trouble right from the beginning to ensure that only writings connected with the Apostles were accepted as Scripture? Why did they constantly use Scripture as their authority. You only have to read early church history to discover that the appeal was always to Scripture. If it was proved from Scripture it was acceptable. If it was not so proved it was not accepted. Jesus Himself said 'the Scripture cannot be broken', and constantly appealed to Scripture. LOL if we cannot trust Scripture of what use is the verse you are wrongly claiming as your support. Where does it come from but Scripture?.
But if Scripture is not the pillar and ground of the truth why are you citing it? You have cancelled out any value in your claims.
As with many things such as the doctrine of the Triune God, God revealed a certain amount and gave certain indications knowing that THOSE WHO WERE TRULY GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT would recognise the truth, whereas those whose hearts were not open to truth would not perceive it.
Biblical Catholicism.... built on solid rock. Roman Catholicism built on lies, deceit, murder, adultery, et etc. Genuine Protestantism..... on Scripture.
Why should you think that the Roman Catholic has any more claim to be so than the rest of the Catholic church? We all look back to the Apostles, and we non-Roman Catholics do so directly, not relying on misleading early church fathers who had no special inspiration. We are in direct line from the Apostles. There have always been Bible believing Christians from Apostolic days onwards. We are the pillar and ground of the truth, for we look to the source.
Just look at the Old Testament. God did not choose the establishment figures as prophets. He called prophets directly. He does the same today.
No thank you. They are but men. Give us citations from the Apostles which agree with those doctrines and we will believe them
'Who is MY mother?' Those who do the will of My Father are my mother.' And that is right from the source. So according to Jesus words I am the mother of God, along with millions of other true believers. Mary has no special status.
A woman cried out to Jesus, 'Blessed is the womb that bare you and the paps which suckled you', and Jesus replied 'yes rather, blessed rather are those who hear the will of God and do it.'. Thus we are more blessed than Mary, except inasfar as she shares in that blessing with us because she too finally heard the will of God and did it.
We trust the words of Jesus Himself. So you see it matters not what Calvin, or Luther, or Zwingli, or the Pope, or anyone else said. We believe what GOD said.
He handed it over to the true church of true believers in Christ Jesus. Certainly not to a lying, murderous, adulterous deceitful Roman Catholic church. LOL do I not see you present Pope veering in the direction you describe? He doesn't seem to be very clear or consistent either. And what about the 'miracles' of saints which have turned out to be spurious? And the earlier deniers of paedophilia in your church at the highest level? Your church is a Pillar of Lies.
He certainly wouldn't allow the nonsense of the claims of the Roman Catholic church. you are right on that.
you certainly are. and have been for 1300 hundred years since you were basically founded.
True but I have given you one with the hope that you will yet see the truth.
The early Catholic (not Roman Catholic) church certainly believed in Sola Scriptura. Why else did they take the trouble right from the beginning to ensure that only writings connected with the Apostles were accepted as Scripture? Why did they constantly use Scripture as their authority. You only have to read early church history to discover that the appeal was always to Scripture. If it was proved from Scripture it was acceptable. If it was not so proved it was not accepted. Jesus Himself said 'the Scripture cannot be broken', and constantly appealed to Scripture. LOL if we cannot trust Scripture of what use is the verse you are wrongly claiming as your support. Where does it come from but Scripture?.
But if Scripture is not the pillar and ground of the truth why are you citing it? You have cancelled out any value in your claims.
As with many things such as the doctrine of the Triune God, God revealed a certain amount and gave certain indications knowing that THOSE WHO WERE TRULY GUIDED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT would recognise the truth, whereas those whose hearts were not open to truth would not perceive it.
Biblical Catholicism.... built on solid rock. Roman Catholicism built on lies, deceit, murder, adultery, et etc. Genuine Protestantism..... on Scripture.