Netanyahu trails in polls; Senate panel probes Obama interference in Israeli election

[Viligant_Warrior]

As a dispensational zionist VW you do not believe Biblical evidence .

On the contrary, Pem, it is because I believe the Bible that I recognize the promises made to Abram/Abraham have yet to be fulfilled, but will be.

1 Corinthians 2:14King James Version (KJV)

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

That doesn't fit me, as I am not a "natural man" -- however, this, I believer, fits you quite well.

Titus 3, NASB
10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
​

 

[pwrnJC]

if only those that label themselves as Palestinians, would see that their DNA and those other 'Israelies' are the same..the roots are entertwined..they are family...beyond political, social and geographical man-made differences!!!!!!!

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Correctly stated: Under the New Covenant, God's chosen people are the Church, of which believing Jews are a part of.

That implies God has reneged on His promise to Abram/Abraham. He has not. That would make Him a liar.

Scripture speaks of the new Jerusalem, yet the Church, the One Body, is what Christ is coming back to gather unto Him. I suppose it's a bit semantics to some, but not to me.

Yes, He is coming back for the Church, in the pre-Trib rapture. Not only are there numerous verses that support this view, but historically the pre-Trib rapture fits how God acts. Before the flood waters rose, He shut the door of the Ark, with Noah and his family aboard. He told Lot to hurry, for He could do nothing until he was safe.

Once the unrighteous have been judged, the Tribulation believers who are still alive will be established in the Millennial Reign, and Israel's promises will be realized. God is not a man that He should lie, and you can find no passage in the Bible that indicates He has said, "Never mind, you sin too much, I'm not giving you the Land." He has not passed on to the church the promise He made to Abram/Abraham. It remains for Israel to realize.

 

[pem]

On the contrary, Pem, it is because I believe the Bible that I recognize the promises made to Abram/Abraham have yet to be fulfilled, but will be.

That doesn't fit me, as I am not a "natural man" -- however, this, I believer, fits you quite well.

Titus 3, NASB
10 Reject a factious man after a first and second warning,
11 knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
​

You do realize the Rapture Cult that has poisoned your senses was a man-made doctrine of Demons less than 200 years old? You really need to study the Cult you belong too VW and pray God gives you eyes to see . You have been led into false doctrine by blind guides .

I am a Christian - you are a Zionist stuck in the Old Testament . "christian" zionism is also ANTISEMITE .

Yes VW - ARABS are semites too . Semitic - definition of Semitic in English from the Oxford dictionary .

Zionists HATE Arabs . "christian" Zionists HATE Arabs (especially palestinians) . "christian" Zionists Hate those who oppose their views - True Christians.

Your posts display hate to every Christian who exposes "christian" zionism for what it is - doctrine of demons.

Revelation 18 tells us to come out from Rome and all Her filthy doctrines and superstitions VW - this includes RaptureCult/dispensationalism/Brethrenism/zionism and every other man-made demonic doctrine.

Flee for your life VW . Ezekiel 33

 

[kaylagrl]

You do realize the Rapture Cult that has poisoned your senses was a man-made doctrine of Demons less than 200 years old? You really need to study the Cult you belong too VW and pray God gives you eyes to see . You have been led into false doctrine by blind guides .

I am a Christian - you are a Zionist stuck in the Old Testament . "christian" zionism is also ANTISEMITE .

Yes VW - ARABS are semites too . Semitic - definition of Semitic in English from the Oxford dictionary .

Zionists HATE Arabs . "christian" Zionists HATE Arabs (especially palestinians) . "christian" Zionists Hate those who oppose their views - True Christians.

Your posts display hate to every Christian who exposes "christian" zionism for what it is - doctrine of demons.

Revelation 18 tells us to come out from Rome and all Her filthy doctrines and superstitions VW - this includes RaptureCult/dispensationalism/Brethrenism/zionism and every other man-made demonic doctrine.

Flee for your life VW . Ezekiel 33

Quote "Zionists HATE Arabs . "christian" Zionists HATE Arabs (especially palestinians) . "christian" Zionists Hate those who oppose their views - True Christians."

1. Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christiansthat the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy.
   
   
   How is this a doctrine of demons? How is this hating Arabs? Dont tell me I hate Arabs! You dont know me or what I believe.Just because I believe the Jews deserve their homeland doesnt mean I hate Arabs.Arabs were offered land and turned it down because they did not want to share with Jews.As Ive said before.Leave the Bible out of it totally,the Jews still deserve their homeland.Read history.Believing Jews deserve their land does not equal hating Arabs.Thats total nonsense.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Quote "Zionists HATE Arabs . "christian" Zionists HATE Arabs (especially palestinians) . "christian" Zionists Hate those who oppose their views - True Christians."

Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christiansthat the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy.


How is this a doctrine of demons? How is this hating Arabs? Dont tell me I hate Arabs! You dont know me or what I believe.Just because I believe the Jews deserve their homeland doesnt mean I hate Arabs.Arabs were offered land and turned it down because they did not want to share with Jews.As Ive said before.Leave the Bible out of it totally,the Jews still deserve their homeland.Read history.Believing Jews deserve their land does not equal hating Arabs.Thats total nonsense.

Welcome to Pem's "Ignore" list, Kayla. You are now officially labeled a heretic, perhaps demon-possessed.

 

[kaylagrl]

Welcome to Pem's "Ignore" list, Kayla. You are now officially labeled a heretic, perhaps demon-possessed.

Haha well Ive tried and tried to get on that exclusive list.Seems like I finally made it! Looks like Im in good company though.

 

[pem]

Welcome to Pem's "Ignore" list, Kayla. You are now officially labeled a heretic, perhaps demon-possessed.

Now i see clearly why you have been indoctrinated. I just read your bio ....."I am a behavioral therapist (MA, Behavioral Psych) serving the inner city as an addictions and M&F counselor, as well as having a suburban private practice. "

That is new age psyco babble lol lol lol Thats why your ENTIRE Bible knowledge is fatally (to you) flawed. Had i known this last week i would have gone easier on you . Now i realise your entire life is in bondage . Your behaviour toward me is prove that you cant practise the "behaviour " you try in vain to teach others. A man i trust is Jay E. Adams who is Americas (and possibly the worlds) greatest Christian Counsellor . You will probably hate him because he believes the same things as me - He is a Calvinist Presbyterian . Institute for Nouthetic Studies | Biblical Counseling - Home

 

[MarcR]

Quote "Zionists HATE Arabs . "christian" Zionists HATE Arabs (especially palestinians) . "christian" Zionists Hate those who oppose their views - True Christians."

1. Christian Zionism is a belief among some Christiansthat the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, and the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948, is in accordance with Biblical prophecy.
   
   
   How is this a doctrine of demons? How is this hating Arabs? Dont tell me I hate Arabs! You dont know me or what I believe.Just because I believe the Jews deserve their homeland doesnt mean I hate Arabs.Arabs were offered land and turned it down because they did not want to share with Jews.As Ive said before.Leave the Bible out of it totally,the Jews still deserve their homeland.Read history.Believing Jews deserve their land does not equal hating Arabs.Thats total nonsense.

Kaylagrl,

I had to reply to your post because I have Pem on ignore.


Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
indicates that the ninefold fruit of the Spirit will be present and increasing in the life of every true believer.

When someone like Pem posts harsh, critical, judgmental, or unloving comments; instead of being iritated; perhaps we should be concerned for his Salvation and try to show him his need for God's love.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Kaylagrl,

I had to reply to your post because I have Pem on ignore.


Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
indicates that the ninefold fruit of the Spirit will be present and increasing in the life of every true believer.

When someone like Pem posts harsh, critical, judgmental, or unloving comments; instead of being iritated; perhaps we should be concerned for his Salvation and try to show him his need for God's love.

We actually agree with one another on this issue, as I have been the target of about 4 people on here using harsh unedifying language against me because I do not agree with them. One has actually gotten better the past few days, but the other 3 still need some prayers for God to help them in their walk where they still struggle.
I like this verse you gave because it is another one from Paul that shows walking in the fruits of the Spirit can have no law over them for the fruits will not cause transgression, and the law was made for those who transgress it............

 

[kennethcadwell]

This morning on the news reported that Netanyahu showed not being in favor of a two state solution was just a political ploy, as he said he is ready to negotiate to see if the Palestinians are ready to deal to get a two state solution done.

 

[kaylagrl]

Kaylagrl,

I had to reply to your post because I have Pem on ignore.


Gal 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
KJV
indicates that the ninefold fruit of the Spirit will be present and increasing in the life of every true believer.

When someone like Pem posts harsh, critical, judgmental, or unloving comments; instead of being iritated; perhaps we should be concerned for his Salvation and try to show him his need for God's love.

I think for the most part I keep my head here.But when I am accused of hatred that is going too far. But on the other side of the coin I believe Satan hates the Jews because they are Gods chosen.I think some people unwittingly have believe in replacement/covenant theology and it has led to antisemitism in some. But not I dont take kindly to Pem or anyone putting words in my mouth and saying I hate Arabs when I do not.I simply believe,as the Bible says,that Israel belongs to the Jews.That doesn't mean I hate Arabs.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I think for the most part I keep my head here.But when I am accused of hatred that is going too far. But on the other side of the coin I believe Satan hates the Jews because they are Gods chosen.I think some people unwittingly have believe in replacement/covenant theology and it has led to antisemitism in some. But not I dont take kindly to Pem or anyone putting words in my mouth and saying I hate Arabs when I do not.I simply believe,as the Bible says,that Israel belongs to the Jews.That doesn't mean I hate Arabs.

That is becoming a bad habit with some unfortunately, as if you post scripture from the bible that shows mainly Muslim nations facing God's judgment in the OT prophecies they call you a Muslim hater, Same goes with the writings of the Apostle Paul, as if you post scripture from him where he is warning believers of how they can and can not act they accuse you of being judgmental. Over 50% of the NT is devoted to telling believers how they can not act, yet some still want to preach this actions don't matter gospel........

 

[kaylagrl]

That is becoming a bad habit with some unfortunately, as if you post scripture from the bible that shows mainly Muslim nations facing God's judgment in the OT prophecies they call you a Muslim hater, Same goes with the writings of the Apostle Paul, as if you post scripture from him where he is warning believers of how they can and can not act they accuse you of being judgmental. Over 50% of the NT is devoted to telling believers how they can not act, yet some still want to preach this actions don't matter gospel........

Yes,maybe that is where my frustration lies. I cannot agree with the Muslim faith for obvious reasons but I do know that some are coming to the truth of the gospel. Coming out of their brain washing.It makes me so happy to hear that.But when I hear Christians saying that the Jews dont deserve the 1% of land they have in the middle east it really upsets me.Whether you believe they are chosen or not why would they should be denied a homeland? It just boggles my mind when I hear Christians say that. But on top of that it seems recently that people on here are getting nastier in their replies and attacking others.Especially in the Bible discussion forum. Its sad really. I disagree with some on here but Id still consider us "forum friends".But if you disagree with some on here fur flies. Hard not to respond when you feel attacked.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Yes,maybe that is where my frustration lies. I cannot agree with the Muslim faith for obvious reasons but I do know that some are coming to the truth of the gospel. Coming out of their brain washing.It makes me so happy to hear that.But when I hear Christians saying that the Jews dont deserve the 1% of land they have in the middle east it really upsets me.Whether you believe they are chosen or not why would they should be denied a homeland? It just boggles my mind when I hear Christians say that. But on top of that it seems recently that people on here are getting nastier in their replies and attacking others.Especially in the Bible discussion forum. Its sad really. I disagree with some on here but Id still consider us "forum friends".But if you disagree with some on here fur flies. Hard not to respond when you feel attacked.

That is why I just continue to let the scriptures do the talking, as when somebody gets heated at me about my stance on a subject instead of getting nasty back to the 4 that has personally attacked me. I just respond back with more and more scriptures and leave it up to them to accept or deny. It is not my place or anybodies to force the teachings in the bible on others, as all we are called to do is give the word and if they accept then good, but if not then that is their choice.
I believe by the bible the Jews are still His chosen and the promise of the physical land does still apply until all prophecy is fulfilled. I have gotten into these discussions before, as my oldest sons Grandpa from his mom's side is one of those far fetched replacement theologists whose religion teaches them America has become the promise land now.
I don't remember what denomination he is because a couple of heated debates with him on how he believes made me just walk away. But I do think he is a branch of the RLDS that believes Jesus will return at their church temple in Independence, MO.

 

[jahsoul]

kaylagrl and kennethcaldwell,

I totally agree on what you are saying about how people act. While I don't agree with your stance of Jews being God's chosen people, I always believed that it is a civil way to disagree and I also understand the concept of agreeing to disagree. Me getting heated gains nothing. I let all the scripture that I reference back up what I say and that should be enough.

*edit*
Going back rereading some of Pem's post, I agree with a lot of what he is saying but I've always been taught that delivery is 70% of a message.

 

[kaylagrl]

That is why I just continue to let the scriptures do the talking, as when somebody gets heated at me about my stance on a subject instead of getting nasty back to the 4 that has personally attacked me. I just respond back with more and more scriptures and leave it up to them to accept or deny. It is not my place or anybodies to force the teachings in the bible on others, as all we are called to do is give the word and if they accept then good, but if not then that is their choice.
I believe by the bible the Jews are still His chosen and the promise of the physical land does still apply until all prophecy is fulfilled. I have gotten into these discussions before, as my oldest sons Grandpa from his mom's side is one of those far fetched replacement theologists whose religion teaches them America has become the promise land now.
I don't remember what denomination he is because a couple of heated debates with him on how he believes made me just walk away. But I do think he is a branch of the RLDS that believes Jesus will return at their church temple in Independence, MO.

It is sad that man made religions carry people so far from the truth.And even when you give Scripture they've been taught twisted versions to make them right. No common sense can change their mind.That Jews exist today is a miracle.But I never thought Id see a day when Christians would trying to say Jews dont even exist as a people today! After all the persecution and the Holocaust now some are saying no Jews actually exist today. Unbelievable to me.Makes me shake my head and feel sorry that Satan has caused them to come against Jews yet again.

 

[kaylagrl]

kaylagrl and kennethcaldwell,

I totally agree on what you are saying about how people act. While I don't agree with your stance of Jews being God's chosen people, I always believed that it is a civil way to disagree and I also understand the concept of agreeing to disagree. Me getting heated gains nothing. I let all the scripture that I reference back up what I say and that should be enough.

*edit*
Going back rereading some of Pem's post, I agree with a lot of what he is saying but I've always been taught that delivery is 70% of a message.

Though we disagree I do appreciate the sentiment and what you are saying. When people get nasty I dont even bother reading what they are trying to say. I cant get past their diatribe.They'd get a lot more attention and discussion if they calmed it down and talked sensibly.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I dont believe that the majority of the worlds religions are man made, I find it hard to believe that a person would go through the negative reaction of people to passionately push something they merely made up with no gain at all. I believe that all the religions of the earth are spiritually influenced.


And wouldnt claiming that the Jews are no longer Gods chosen people be claiming that God has changed His word?

 

[jahsoul]

And wouldnt claiming that the Jews are no longer Gods chosen people be claiming that God has changed His word?

But this take you down a couple of avenues where questions have to be answered;

-Is Children/House of Israel & Jew synonymous in the Bible? (I haven't seen anything to suggest that)
-Who or what is a Jew?
-Who is the Israel of God?

Just a few..