Deleverance

[prodigal]

People with good grammar are often dumb as doornail's in common sense type things though.

I believe (at least online) people refer to someone who corrects other folks grammar as "the grammar police", and they can be as annoying as those misspellings you probably can't overlook.

Which is perfect for this thread, because I was thinking, what if there is something more here then meets the eye?

Do you go into convulsions at bad grammer?

Do you find you cannot help exalt yourself over someone else when a word they post is spelled (spelt?) incorrectly?

Does this ressemble how you feel inside when you see someone elses word spelling specks?

You could have a problem worse then an x box

Does a false sense of superiority flood into you after you have corrected someones grammer?

Do you covet others to see you as the genious you know you are?

If so, thank God for that spelling error then, because that error could have been used as a means to draw you into the very thread you needed to be a part of (for your own delEverence).

Maybe we can call it dumb luck?

1 Corinthians 13:5-7New Century Version (NCV)


5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil but rejoices over the truth. 7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always endures.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Romans 8:15 For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”

2 Timothy 1:7 (KJV) For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.


1 Peter 5:8
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

Revelation 2:9-10a​

…9'I know your tribulation and your poverty (but you are rich), and the blasphemy by those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan. 10'Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to cast some of you into prison, so that you will be tested, and you will have tribulation for ten days.

Hey thanks, I dont see how most of them connect to him directly in respects to Satan using fear, theres a spirit of slavery, a spirit of fear and fear having to do with punishment, and that just has to do with not being perfected in love. 1 Peter 5:8 isnt Satan instilling fear, but Peter (well, not fear but warning he prowls around) the last is Jesus saying dont fear the sufferings that will be inficted upon you. Like I know the typical verses pulled for fear but not as people speak of how the devil uses it (in more of a direct sense).

 

[DesiredHaven]

1 Corinthians 13:5-7New Century Version (NCV)


5 Love is not rude, is not selfish, and does not get upset with others. Love does not count up wrongs that have been done. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil but rejoices over the truth. 7 Love patiently accepts all things. It always trusts, always hopes, and always endures.

Exactly, that why people should overlook other peoples spelling, because its rude to constantly point out others specks.

Case in point the letter "e" verses the letter "i", and the comment after.

The OP is just as much worthy of love as any of us.

 

[ABMF]

Exactly, that why people should overlook other peoples spelling, because its rude to constantly point out others specks.

Case in point the letter "e" verses the letter "i", and the comment after.

The OP is just as much worthy of love as any of us.

i posted this earlier. The spelling mistake was not intended. But I like this! " I do apologize for leaving out the "I"in deliverance. Perhaps you could put the "I" in after you take the "E" out. For E very one who gets born again needs deliverance. If you have not yet done so you then can say " I " need delIverance.

 

[DesiredHaven]

i posted this earlier. The spelling mistake was not intended. But I like this! " I do apologize for leaving out the "I"in deliverance. Perhaps you could put the "I" in after you take the "E" out. For E very one who gets born again needs deliverance. If you have not yet done so you then can say " I " need delIverance.

No problem, it didnt bother me that the spelling was off, but you didnt deserve one of those comments because you unintentionally posted with a typo. I do that all the time, no one needs to look that close to find errors in my own posts. Big deal, someone can find a spelling error. I dont agree with finding fault with something so small while dissing your intelligence because of it.

That happens to the best (and the worst) of us (like me)

Although I might not see eye to eye with you, I felt it fair to say something.

Although I dont always do that perfectly (I will admit) I appologize for that as well.

I will try not to make a funny out of it the next time.

 

[ABMF]

Deliverance is the Children's bread. Matthew 15. It's obtained through the atonement of Christ. Matthew 6. If you pray believing you will recieve when the conditions of the Word are met. Mark 11:22-24. And if you ask you won't get some fake fraud Matthew 7 Luke 11. The majority of Christianity need deliverance and removal of road blocks to successfully go on in their walk with Christ. We are to cleans ourselves from the filthy spiritual stuff that takes place. Very few people do. However many wash and take showers frequently taking care of the outside of the cup. Very few are instructed on how to do a scrub of the inside by the power of the Holy Spirit. Addictions, unscriptural relationships, sins of the flesh, participation in occult activities ect all open the door for the devil to gain access to a persons life. Do you need deliverance?

 

[ABMF]

No problem, it didnt bother me that the spelling was off, but you didnt deserve one of those comments because you unintentionally posted with a typo. I do that all the time, no one needs to look that close to find errors in my own posts. Big deal, someone can find a spelling error. I dont agree with finding fault with something so small while dissing your intelligence because of it.

That happens to the best (and the worst) of us (like me)

Although I might not see eye to eye with you, I felt it fair to say something.

Although I dont always do that perfectly (I will admit) I appologize for that as well.

I will try not to make a funny out of it the next time.

Thank you. No offense habored.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I generally dont like the teaching that a demon could never come to a Christian. Not only is there no bible verse that actually says "satan cannot come into the life of a follower of Christ", but the bible actually has stories of this happening. It happened to Job, and it happened to Paul. I dont believe that a Christian should ever believe that they will never face hardships, because they were never promised that they wouldnt face it, but that with faith they will be carried through it. It can happen, and has happened, and when it does it often pushes the believer closer to God.


And about the "videogames can open you up to demons", where is that in the bible? I mean I do believe that there are things that actually can. Like messing with the occult, necromancy, these things are allowing demons to communicate with you. But playing a videogame, its really not much different than watching tv. And there is sin on almost all of tv nowadays, theres sex, violence, rebellion, and all kinds of other things. Not to mention you spend alot of money every month to keep your tv. Why would playing a game be more capable of opening you up for a demonic attack than tv? God testing you doesnt mean you messed up and are being punished. If you come to Him in faith, He will carry you through it. How is that punishment?

Anywho, I never feel comfortable with Christians who believe that God will never put them through trials, because He does. I dunno about possession, but there are Christians who have been attacked by demons. That kind of teaching will only cause a Christian going through such a thing to believe that God has left them, even though the bible has stories of men being put through this by His will.

 

[ABMF]

I generally dont like the teaching that a demon could never come to a Christian. Not only is there no bible verse that actually says "satan cannot come into the life of a follower of Christ", but the bible actually has stories of this happening. It happened to Job, and it happened to Paul. I dont believe that a Christian should ever believe that they will never face hardships, because they were never promised that they wouldnt face it, but that with faith they will be carried through it. It can happen, and has happened, and when it does it often pushes the believer closer to God.


And about the "videogames can open you up to demons", where is that in the bible? I mean I do believe that there are things that actually can. Like messing with the occult, necromancy, these things are allowing demons to communicate with you. But playing a videogame, its really not much different than watching tv. And there is sin on almost all of tv nowadays, theres sex, violence, rebellion, and all kinds of other things. Not to mention you spend alot of money every month to keep your tv. Why would playing a game be more capable of opening you up for a demonic attack than tv? God testing you doesnt mean you messed up and are being punished. If you come to Him in faith, He will carry you through it. How is that punishment?

Anywho, I never feel comfortable with Christians who believe that God will never put them through trials, because He does. I dunno about possession, but there are Christians who have been attacked by demons. That kind of teaching will only cause a Christian going through such a thing to believe that God has left them, even though the bible has stories of men being put through this by His will.

I guess it falls under the category of give no place to the devil. There are other scriptures like setting wicked things before your eyes ect. Yes even television opens the doors to infiltration and entrance of demons.

 

[Angela53510]

I generally dont like the teaching that a demon could never come to a Christian. Not only is there no bible verse that actually says "satan cannot come into the life of a follower of Christ", but the bible actually has stories of this happening. It happened to Job, and it happened to Paul. I dont believe that a Christian should ever believe that they will never face hardships, because they were never promised that they wouldnt face it, but that with faith they will be carried through it. It can happen, and has happened, and when it does it often pushes the believer closer to God.


And about the "videogames can open you up to demons", where is that in the bible? I mean I do believe that there are things that actually can. Like messing with the occult, necromancy, these things are allowing demons to communicate with you. But playing a videogame, its really not much different than watching tv. And there is sin on almost all of tv nowadays, theres sex, violence, rebellion, and all kinds of other things. Not to mention you spend alot of money every month to keep your tv. Why would playing a game be more capable of opening you up for a demonic attack than tv? God testing you doesnt mean you messed up and are being punished. If you come to Him in faith, He will carry you through it. How is that punishment?

Anywho, I never feel comfortable with Christians who believe that God will never put them through trials, because He does. I dunno about possession, but there are Christians who have been attacked by demons. That kind of teaching will only cause a Christian going through such a thing to believe that God has left them, even though the bible has stories of men being put through this by His will.

Demonic possession is TOTALLY different than suffering and going through trials, which the Bible says will happen to us in many places.

"Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance," Romans 5:3

"Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, [SUP]3 [/SUP]for you know thatthe testing of your faith produces steadfastness. " James 1:2

When we become believers, the Holy Spirit enters our heart to lead and guide us.

"Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, [SUP]20 [/SUP]for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body." 1 Cor. 6:19-20

So if the Holy Spirit lives within, no demon can inhabit the same place as the Holy Spirit. The devil and demons belong to the darkness, the Holy Spirit belongs to the Kingdom of Light.

"And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” John 3:19-21

"to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’" Acts 26:18

"Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?" 2 Cor. 6:14

"For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.: 1 Thess. 5:5

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A believer is in the light. Demons are in the darkness. Therefore, a Christian can never be possessed by a demon.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I can definitely see how possession on a Christian is not biblical, but not being attacked. But I guess the conversation was actually about possession from a videogame I think I have a better understanding.

Though not entirely on topic with the OP, the people who were possessed in the times of Christ, do you believe they werent believers of God? I have heard that He did say a prayer the night before He was crucified that none of His believers be harmed by the enemy again, and that of course God always answered His request, and that because of this we are now protected from the enemy. But I still wonder, were believers possessed in those days, as well?

 

[ABMF]

Where from scripture does it say that believers can not have a demon in them? As Jesus Christ said that deliverence was for the Children. Children of God are the ones to whom the blood of Jesus works in the removal of a demon. It makes no sense that we are to cast demons out of people who serve satan. Can satan cast out satan? If you cast demons out of an unbeliever what is the point? Seven worse just come back along with the one you cast out. Do you just believe that casting out demons is not for today? To whom does God give the command to cast out devils to? There is less ground scripturally for casting out demons from people who are not saved, as Jesus shows us its a futile effort in most cases, then for when out of the lips of Jesus Christ it's declaied that deliverence belongs to the Children. Do not be unbelieving, but believe.

 

[Yeraza_Bats]

I do kinda feel the need to point out the verse that reads "We were all once children of wrath, but through Christ we are Children of God", which usually makes me think that the "Children" are in fact men who follow Christ, and not literal children.

I like some of what you say though. I went through an attack by a demon, and when at my bible counseling session, one of the trainees who was not meant to talk to me actually interrupted to give me his number. We met, and he introduced me to a friend, he did so because this friend went through everything I did. He was raised a follower of Christ, and was a believer. But when he was younger he heard an evil voice that tormented him, it would scoff at God at him, and force blasphemous thoughts on him in attempt to make him believe he was blaspheming God, and even caused him pain one night. Of course this pushed him harder towards Christ, and it eventually left him. He said to me, "These demons, they come to pull us away, but they always end up pushing us harder towards Him". Im still unsure about possession, the bible describes that as demons having very real power over the body. But an attack like what we went through, it not only happens to many of us, but is 100% biblical. What do people who use the word "possessed" mean when they use that word? An attack, like hearing voices and even caused some pain? Or a full out attack on the body, being made to say things and do things against their will? Maybe thats what people dont agree on.

 

[ABMF]

I do kinda feel the need to point out the verse that reads "We were all once children of wrath, but through Christ we are Children of God", which usually makes me think that the "Children" are in fact men who follow Christ, and not literal children.

I like some of what you say though. I went through an attack by a demon, and when at my bible counseling session, one of the trainees who was not meant to talk to me actually interrupted to give me his number. We met, and he introduced me to a friend, he did so because this friend went through everything I did. He was raised a follower of Christ, and was a believer. But when he was younger he heard an evil voice that tormented him, it would scoff at God at him, and force blasphemous thoughts on him in attempt to make him believe he was blaspheming God, and even caused him pain one night. Of course this pushed him harder towards Christ, and it eventually left him. He said to me, "These demons, they come to pull us away, but they always end up pushing us harder towards Him". Im still unsure about possession, the bible describes that as demons having very real power over the body. But an attack like what we went through, it not only happens to many of us, but is 100% biblical. What do people who use the word "possessed" mean when they use that word? An attack, like hearing voices and even caused some pain? Or a full out attack on the body, being made to say things and do things against their will? Maybe thats what people dont agree on.

Possession would indicate full control. This I do not believe can ever happen to a believer, unless he or she willfully gave place to it. A demon in a believer does not mean they control entirely. They just manifest at every opertunity. Take the spirit of rejection for example. It can wait till the situation or scenario that was like the first time that person received the hurt that brought the feelings of rejection and then work hard to deepen hurts and control. All the while works, often undetected to call for more rejection from others to the person.

 

[ember]

I do apologize for leaving out the "I"in deliverance. Perhaps you could put the "I" in after you take the "E" out. For E very one who gets born again needs deliverance. If you have not yet done so you then can say " I " need delIverance.

I was never really that bothered by it. However, this simple post really revealed some interesting traits in a poster or two

never know what is going to pop up in this kind of thread...anyway, the problem, again, is with the word possessed being used in conjunction with a Christian

When I have time later (hopefully) I think I will post something to try and help clear that distinction up because Christians cannot be possessed...they belong to Christ...however, demons can certainly become attached to a believer through sin and even sometimes the sin of others

That is not possession though

So, later hopefully

 

[ABMF]

I was never really that bothered by it. However, this simple post really revealed some interesting traits in a poster or two

never know what is going to pop up in this kind of thread...anyway, the problem, again, is with the word possessed being used in conjunction with a Christian

When I have time later (hopefully) I think I will post something to try and help clear that distinction up because Christians cannot be possessed...they belong to Christ...however, demons can certainly become attached to a believer through sin and even sometimes the sin of others

That is not possession though

So, later hopefully

if people actually stopped and looked at their own response, choice of pictures for their profile, as well as personal lives in light of how demons behavior, they would see they need deliverance.

 

[ember]

In our English translations of the Bible, the word demon is commonly used when the Greek actually has 3 different words for the same word we use simply as 'demon'. For example, the KJV translates daimonion as devil when there is only one devil and not many. Obviously, the word demon is more appropriate. You could say there are many demons but only one devil.

Keeping the above in mind, there is another confused rendering from the Greek into Engish that confuses the issue when it comes to whether or not a Christian can 'have a demon.'

The verb in Greek that is used to reference a person with a demon is daimonizo which does not mean possessed. It means simply demonized. So, it is accurate to state that a person is under daimonizo or 'subject to demonic influence'...which is a far cry from possession, which word means or dictates 'ownership.'

It is simple to conclude that Christian cannot be possessed but inaccurate to state a Christian cannot be influenced to demonic influence.

There is no basis in the Greek to conclude that the word possession is intended.

I don't believe the title 'deliverance minister' is a biblical one. The Bible records no such office, like it does pastor, elder or teacher or other gift.

Why is that? Casting out demons, or driving out demons or expelling demons, is the realm of every believer and not 'specialists' whose calling is dealing with demons in people.

In Luke 10, the 72 who were sent out by Jesus came back to Him and reported that even the demons were subject to them and had to obey them...as they did Jesus. Jesus told them not to rejoice at this, but to rejoice that there names were written down in heaven; the point here for this explanation is that all 72 indicated they had success with authority over the evil spirits...there were no specialists.

Ephesians 6 describes the battle Christians have as a spiritual war and not one agains flesh and blood.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. v 12

Obviously I'm not going to discuss every reference in scripture with regards to demons and believers, but there is a huge difference between possession and being afflicted. Paul had a demonic affliction...the Bible records that a messenger from the devil buffeted him...Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me-- to keep me from exalting myself! II Cor 12:7

There is no doubt that God does allow demonic activity in a believer's life...Job, Paul, King Saul, Peter and others...this can come about through sin or even God's permission...however a Christian for the most part should deal with the influences of demons in their life.

Many Christians will claim that a believer cannot have any type of demonic influence and state that the Holy Spirit and a demon cannot be in the same place or space.

The Bible does not state that anywhere, but remembering that the word possession is not the word used in the original Greek, it is a mute point to state that a believer cannot be possessed.

The only way to be rid of a demonic presence is in the name of Jesus...no special ceremony or holy water or crosses etc

The truth of the victory already won for believers over the devil is the only reason the demons must leave. It's not a power a struggle. It is a matter of standing on the truth of the Bible and our position in Christ only, that assures us victory.

 

[ABMF]

In our English translations of the Bible, the word demon is commonly used when the Greek actually has 3 different words for the same word we use simply as 'demon'. For example, the KJV translates daimonion as devil when there is only one devil and not many. Obviously, the word demon is more appropriate. You could say there are many demons but only one devil.

Keeping the above in mind, there is another confused rendering from the Greek into Engish that confuses the issue when it comes to whether or not a Christian can 'have a demon.'

The verb in Greek that is used to reference a person with a demon is daimonizo which does not mean possessed. It means simply demonized. So, it is accurate to state that a person is under daimonizo or 'subject to demonic influence'...which is a far cry from possession, which word means or dictates 'ownership.'

It is simple to conclude that Christian cannot be possessed but inaccurate to state a Christian cannot be influenced to demonic influence.

There is no basis in the Greek to conclude that the word possession is intended.

I don't believe the title 'deliverance minister' is a biblical one. The Bible records no such office, like it does pastor, elder or teacher or other gift.

Why is that? Casting out demons, or driving out demons or expelling demons, is the realm of every believer and not 'specialists' whose calling is dealing with demons in people.

In Luke 10, the 72 who were sent out by Jesus came back to Him and reported that even the demons were subject to them and had to obey them...as they did Jesus. Jesus told them not to rejoice at this, but to rejoice that there names were written down in heaven; the point here for this explanation is that all 72 indicated they had success with authority over the evil spirits...there were no specialists.

Ephesians 6 describes the battle Christians have as a spiritual war and not one agains flesh and blood.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. v 12

Obviously I'm not going to discuss every reference in scripture with regards to demons and believers, but there is a huge difference between possession and being afflicted. Paul had a demonic affliction...the Bible records that a messenger from the devil buffeted him...Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me-- to keep me from exalting myself! II Cor 12:7

There is no doubt that God does allow demonic activity in a believer's life...Job, Paul, King Saul, Peter and others...this can come about through sin or even God's permission...however a Christian for the most part should deal with the influences of demons in their life.

Many Christians will claim that a believer cannot have any type of demonic influence and state that the Holy Spirit and a demon cannot be in the same place or space.

The Bible does not state that anywhere, but remembering that the word possession is not the word used in the original Greek, it is a mute point to state that a believer cannot be possessed.

The only way to be rid of a demonic presence is in the name of Jesus...no special ceremony or holy water or crosses etc

The truth of the victory already won for believers over the devil is the only reason the demons must leave. It's not a power a struggle. It is a matter of standing on the truth of the Bible and our position in Christ only, that assures us victory.

Have you ever ministered to some one in the area of casting out demons?

 

[notuptome]

if people actually stopped and looked at their own response, choice of pictures for their profile, as well as personal lives in light of how demons behavior, they would see they need deliverance.

Are you new age or charismatic?

All men need deliverance from sin. That is why Christ shed His blood on Calvary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[ABMF]

Are you new age or charismatic?

All men need deliverance from sin. That is why Christ shed His blood on Calvary.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Do you need deliverance from malevolent spirits? That is true all men everywhere are commanded to repent. No I'm not "new age". Thank You Jesus for Your blood! there is power in the name and blood of Jesus when used in faith!
John 5:38