Does the BIBLE describe a coming Nuclear War?
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DO NOT CONFUSE the Work of the Ministry, with work of Government and those who serve the Government as an Arm of government. THAT IS WHAT THE ARMED FORCES ARE.
The rams defend the sheep and the lambs, even in the physical world. THINK again about self defense, why else did Jesus tell his disciples to BUY a sword when traveling where thieves were know to ambush defenseless travelers. GOD gave men stronger physical abilities, and one of the reasons is the responsibility for the Husband is to protect the family, not to hide behind the couch and pray the intruder goes away. Why do you think he wrote:
Revelation 21:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN "CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR STATUS" TO STAY OUT OF WAR. They can at least show enough courage to BE MEDICS on the front lines.
Romans 13:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
Psalm 94:16 (ASV)
[SUP]16[/SUP] Who will rise up for me against the evil-doers? Who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
Many stood with DAVID, how many today will stand, if this County ever gets a President with the intestinal fortitude to STOP ISIS.
The LOVE only Gospel is a false doctrine and a false gospel.
2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
You don't get to take the verses of scripture you like, and discard the rest.
Acts 20:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.
Shoot straight my brothers, and may GOD Protect you!
The rams defend the sheep and the lambs, even in the physical world. THINK again about self defense, why else did Jesus tell his disciples to BUY a sword when traveling where thieves were know to ambush defenseless travelers. GOD gave men stronger physical abilities, and one of the reasons is the responsibility for the Husband is to protect the family, not to hide behind the couch and pray the intruder goes away. Why do you think he wrote:
Revelation 21:8 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But the cowards, unbelievers, vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars—their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
NO, I DO NOT BELIEVE IN "CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR STATUS" TO STAY OUT OF WAR. They can at least show enough courage to BE MEDICS on the front lines.
Romans 13:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.
Psalm 94:16 (ASV)
[SUP]16[/SUP] Who will rise up for me against the evil-doers? Who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
Many stood with DAVID, how many today will stand, if this County ever gets a President with the intestinal fortitude to STOP ISIS.
The LOVE only Gospel is a false doctrine and a false gospel.
2 Timothy 3:16 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
You don't get to take the verses of scripture you like, and discard the rest.
Acts 20:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] For I have not shunned to declare to you the whole counsel of God.
Shoot straight my brothers, and may GOD Protect you!
I believe the death toll of the "Fourth Seal" lines up with the Antichrist's enforcement of the Mark of the Beast.
Revelation 6:7-8
"And when he had opened the fourth seal... Death... was... over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."
In Revelation 6:7-8 with the breaking of the Fourth Seal:
Authority of death is given to work thru the anti-christ's rule to kill a fourth part of the Earth; For the anti-christ will kill you by the sword with his military might. He will kill you with hunger by the fact that you will not be able to buy or sell without the Mark. He will kill you with death by either the taking or the refusing of the Mark (i.e. You will die spiritually if you take the Mark or you will die physically if you do not take the Mark). He will kill you with his beasts or his loyal followers in various nations thru out the Earth, too.
For the term “beast” is used to describe human governments in the book of Daniel (chapters 7 & 8) and the government ran by the Antichrist and false prophet is depicted as beasts rising from the sea and earth in Revelation 13.
So after the abomination of desolation is set up in the Jewish Temple at the midpoint of the Tribulation, the lethal enforcement of the Mark will then go into effect and thereby bring forth one of the highest death tolls in human history. Again, this I believe is the breaking of the Fourth Seal. It will then be the starting point of the Great Tribulation (followed by period of time known as the "Day of the Lord"). Here is a chart to check it out.
Revelation 6:7-8
"And when he had opened the fourth seal... Death... was... over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."
Authority of death is given to work thru the anti-christ's rule to kill a fourth part of the Earth; For the anti-christ will kill you by the sword with his military might. He will kill you with hunger by the fact that you will not be able to buy or sell without the Mark. He will kill you with death by either the taking or the refusing of the Mark (i.e. You will die spiritually if you take the Mark or you will die physically if you do not take the Mark). He will kill you with his beasts or his loyal followers in various nations thru out the Earth, too.
For the term “beast” is used to describe human governments in the book of Daniel (chapters 7 & 8) and the government ran by the Antichrist and false prophet is depicted as beasts rising from the sea and earth in Revelation 13.
So after the abomination of desolation is set up in the Jewish Temple at the midpoint of the Tribulation, the lethal enforcement of the Mark will then go into effect and thereby bring forth one of the highest death tolls in human history. Again, this I believe is the breaking of the Fourth Seal. It will then be the starting point of the Great Tribulation (followed by period of time known as the "Day of the Lord"). Here is a chart to check it out.
K
That would make the seals, trumpets, and bowl judgments all run concurrent with each other.
The bible in Revelation clearly shows though that they run consecutively one after the other, as we can see clearly in Revelation 8 that the angels with the 7 trumpets are not released tell after the breaking of the 7th seal. So the trumpets can not run concurrent with the seals, if they are not even blown tell after the 7th seal is broken. Then the bowl judgments are at the end of the GT, after the 7 seals and 7 trumpets both have been broken and sounded.
Dear VCO,
In reply to Post #83:
Revelation 21:8 says "fearful" and not "cowardly." For one can still be afraid and be courageous. The "fearful" here is in context to those who "fear" those who can destroy the body or those who are in a postion of power financially (Instead of fearing God). It is in context to those who let "fear" rule their lives instead of trusting in the Lord. It is also in context to those who kept the testimony of Jesus Christ and the Word of God (i.e. the Messianic Jew, Revelation 12:17, and the Christian Gentile, Revelation 6:9) and NOT those who joined up with ONE country that is losing it's Christianity (With allowing abortions, unfair business practices, and a corruption of what marriage and the family). America is not like Israel that didn't allow for the worship of other false gods. Granted, I am grateful to God for being in the country that I am in. But I owe the Lord my thanks for the protection and freedoms I have and not men.
Jesus rebuked Peter for using his sword and told him those who live by it will then die by it. Yes, God places into power all leaders. This would include the leaders of other countries we are fighting. Are you fighting some other country's wars and it's politics? Or are you on the Lord's side and His Kingdom? God's major concern for you and me is not to fight in a physical war. Paul says the weapons of our warefare are not carnal. Do you believe Paul? Did Paul join up with the Roman army? By your way of thinking he should have. But Paul did not. Paul preached the gospel. That is our war, our true mission. Do you think God is powerless to protect a person in preaching the gospel? He is God. He can do anything. For what happened to Paul after he was stoned and thought to be dead?
In reply to Post #83:
Revelation 21:8 says "fearful" and not "cowardly." For one can still be afraid and be courageous. The "fearful" here is in context to those who "fear" those who can destroy the body or those who are in a postion of power financially (Instead of fearing God). It is in context to those who let "fear" rule their lives instead of trusting in the Lord. It is also in context to those who kept the testimony of Jesus Christ and the Word of God (i.e. the Messianic Jew, Revelation 12:17, and the Christian Gentile, Revelation 6:9) and NOT those who joined up with ONE country that is losing it's Christianity (With allowing abortions, unfair business practices, and a corruption of what marriage and the family). America is not like Israel that didn't allow for the worship of other false gods. Granted, I am grateful to God for being in the country that I am in. But I owe the Lord my thanks for the protection and freedoms I have and not men.
Jesus rebuked Peter for using his sword and told him those who live by it will then die by it. Yes, God places into power all leaders. This would include the leaders of other countries we are fighting. Are you fighting some other country's wars and it's politics? Or are you on the Lord's side and His Kingdom? God's major concern for you and me is not to fight in a physical war. Paul says the weapons of our warefare are not carnal. Do you believe Paul? Did Paul join up with the Roman army? By your way of thinking he should have. But Paul did not. Paul preached the gospel. That is our war, our true mission. Do you think God is powerless to protect a person in preaching the gospel? He is God. He can do anything. For what happened to Paul after he was stoned and thought to be dead?
K
Which is the biggest country that has always supported Israel ???
The great eagle nation in the United States of America...............................
Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
P.S.--- Remember animals in prophecy are symbolism for kingdoms/empires/nations
The great eagle nation in the United States of America...............................
Revelation 12:14
And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
P.S.--- Remember animals in prophecy are symbolism for kingdoms/empires/nations
I am merely responding to VCO's post and thoughts about what true believers will be actually doing today and during the End Times. Most of them will be preaching the gospel and not fighting in a war. Yes, I imagine some might be. But those who are truly in full obedience to God's will and ultimate purpose ... will be .... preaching the gospel and being persecuted for doing that like the apostles were persecuted for doing so.
Nowhere did the apostles all start leaving to join up in some war. Their war was preaching the gospel and they did not punch people in the head or stab people in the stomach with their swords when things got rough. You might like to think that, but that would be a person's imagination working overtime.
Nowhere did the apostles all start leaving to join up in some war. Their war was preaching the gospel and they did not punch people in the head or stab people in the stomach with their swords when things got rough. You might like to think that, but that would be a person's imagination working overtime.
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I mean, it is kind of odd, that after Pentecost, that we don't see any moment or event of the apostles taking up swords to fight and or in punching people, etc as a part of spreading the gospel. On the contrary, we read the exact opposite. The apostles are persecuted. They are on the receiving end of the punishment and they are not handing out that punishment. I mean, think about it. What is a soldier's goal today in the U.S. army? Is it to preach the gospel to the enemy? I say thee nay. It is to kill them. That's it. I mean, could you imagine the Christian troops (if they really are Christian), dropping Bible tracts (in their language) upon their enemy? Perish the thought.
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K
I thank more and more things in prophecy is getting open in our life time which is why I don't necessarily go by past scholars on what they have said.
For instance we see the first beast in Daniel 7 the Lion with eagles wings.
Most of your past biblical scholars have this to be Babylon, but in my studies I do not see that as this is what I see and why.
It says the eagles wings were plucked from it and stood up like a man and given a heart of a man.
If we apply Great Britain as the Lion, then we can see this fitting here as America broke from the British in 1776. We also have another symbolism for our country besides the eagle, and that is Uncle Sam (stand up like a man).
Here is the other reason why I do not see the Lion as Babylon, because in Revelation 13 shows all of these beasts in Daniel 7 as part of the man of sins beast system. The Lion is the mouth of the system that speaks blasphemous things, however in Revelation 17:16 says the man of sin destroys Babylon. So he does not destroy himself so Babylon can not be the Lion, nor can it be America as we are not shown as any part of the beasts system. All the nations mentioned in the bible that are part of this system, and we can see most of them in Ezekiel 28-30, are all Muslim to mostly Muslim nations.
It seems as if the U.S. is found under the banner of the (DAUGHTER of Babylon) note words daughter of..
She is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS<--LADY Liberty
Known for HER nation symbols of an EAGLE/WOMAN
Mounts her DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
and is destroyed in a STRIKE that comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS from THENCE and from HER UTMOST BORDER and from the NORTH....
I think the destruction of the U.S. will allow the world gathered under the BEAST to make an attempt to annihilate ISRAEL......
She is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS<--LADY Liberty
Known for HER nation symbols of an EAGLE/WOMAN
Mounts her DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
and is destroyed in a STRIKE that comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS from THENCE and from HER UTMOST BORDER and from the NORTH....
I think the destruction of the U.S. will allow the world gathered under the BEAST to make an attempt to annihilate ISRAEL......
2 Peter 3:3-6 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] They willfully ignore this: Long ago the heavens and the earth were brought about from water and through water by the word of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Through these waters the world of that time perished when it was flooded.
K
We have been through this before Dcon, as one of the main descriptions of Mystery Babylon is the Mother of Harlots.
America is not the mother as all of our religions, symbolism, and standards have been adopted by other nations. If anything we are just another branch that has been affected of the harlotry done, not the mother of it.
Look at Ezekiel 28-30 as all the nations listed to face God's judgment that follow the man of sin are Muslim nations including Babylon. Not one of them is America, as America is nowhere listed as part of the beast system. And we can not deny Revelation 12:14 and how the bible uses animals for symbolism for kingdoms/nations/empires....
Kenneth take two seconds to read and show me where I said the U.S. is BABYLON........what does DAUGHTER OF mean?
PRODIGY of.....PRODUCT OF.......HOW hard is that to grasp....
How many nations on the planet in the end mount their defenses to the UTMOST HEAVEN (KEY WORD UTMOST)
HOW many nations on the planet can be known as the LADY OF THE KINGDOMS (LADY LIBERTY SYMBOLIZES the U.S)
Originally Posted by dcontroversal
It seems as if the U.S. is found under the banner of the (DAUGHTER of Babylon) note words daughter of..
She is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS<--LADY Liberty
Known for HER nation symbols of an EAGLE/WOMAN
Mounts her DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
and is destroyed in a STRIKE that comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS from THENCE and from HER UTMOST BORDER and from the NORTH....
I think the destruction of the U.S. will allow the world gathered under the BEAST to make an attempt to annihilate ISRAEL......
PRODIGY of.....PRODUCT OF.......HOW hard is that to grasp....
How many nations on the planet in the end mount their defenses to the UTMOST HEAVEN (KEY WORD UTMOST)
HOW many nations on the planet can be known as the LADY OF THE KINGDOMS (LADY LIBERTY SYMBOLIZES the U.S)
She is called the LADY of the KINGDOMS<--LADY Liberty
Known for HER nation symbols of an EAGLE/WOMAN
Mounts her DEFENSES to the UTMOST HEAVENS
and is destroyed in a STRIKE that comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS from THENCE and from HER UTMOST BORDER and from the NORTH....
I think the destruction of the U.S. will allow the world gathered under the BEAST to make an attempt to annihilate ISRAEL......
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The moon turning blood red and the sky going black lines up with period of TIME known as the "Day of the Lord." The Day of the Lord and the blood moon and dark skies all span from the 6th Seal to the end of this world with it being purified by fire.
The "Day of the Lord" begins with the breaking of the 6th Seal and ends after Christ's 2nd Coming (In His destruction of the nations) and purification of this Earth by Fire. The 7th Seal (Allows for the following Trumpet and Bowl Judgments to come forth, of which I had shown in my chart). You can also check out my chronology of Revelation on this here.
I. Seals 1-6. (6th Seal Begins "Day of the Lord").
II. Seal 7. (Trumpet Judgments Come out of 7th Seal).
Aftermath:
Earth is purified by fire and then out of the ashes, it is re-created so as to be a new world (out of this old one) so as to start the Millennium for Abraham (select patriarchs) and the Tribulations saints that were beheaded for Christ.
The "Day of the Lord" begins with the breaking of the 6th Seal and ends after Christ's 2nd Coming (In His destruction of the nations) and purification of this Earth by Fire. The 7th Seal (Allows for the following Trumpet and Bowl Judgments to come forth, of which I had shown in my chart). You can also check out my chronology of Revelation on this here.
I. Seals 1-6. (6th Seal Begins "Day of the Lord").
II. Seal 7. (Trumpet Judgments Come out of 7th Seal).
(a). Trumpet Judgments 1-7.
(b). Vials or Bowl Judgments 1-6 (6th Vial or Bowl Judgment (Armageddon & 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ).
(b). Vials or Bowl Judgments 1-6 (6th Vial or Bowl Judgment (Armageddon & 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ).
(1) Vial or Bowl Judgment 7 (God the Father declares "It is done." up in Heaven. Babylon in Rome is destroyed completely by Earthquake. All stones in the Temple are finally throne down in Jerusalem).
Aftermath:
Earth is purified by fire and then out of the ashes, it is re-created so as to be a new world (out of this old one) so as to start the Millennium for Abraham (select patriarchs) and the Tribulations saints that were beheaded for Christ.
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Actually, Paul and Peter tie the day of the Lord, the day of Christ and the day of God together as one day with three different aspects, Because Jesus is LORD, CHRIST and GOD as found in Paul's verbiage of the resurrection/change as found in the Thessalonian letters, The 1st Corinthian letter and Peter's language as found in 2nd Peter........