Behemoth & Leviathan

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VioletReigns

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Ok, here's my point: How do we account for all the dinosaur skeletons in the museums around the world? And the new species of strange fish and things we continue to discover? They are definitely NOT abstract or symbolic but genuine creatures.

C’mon folks, I didn’t ask about religious folklore or end time theories. Please just give me any documented evidence about these two literal beasts. Thank you.
 

Markum1972

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I would like some insight on Behemoth and Leviathan mentioned in the book of Job. Reading through chapters 40 and 41, these beasts are described as humongous and fearsome. No man could ever hope to capture them. I'm wondering if they were dinosaurs, one a land creature and the other aquatic. And if so, were these creatures roaming the earth in Job's lifetime? I'd appreciate any information, please.

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Fun study. :)

There is also the word tanniyn which is usually translated as dragon. So there you have the three classifications of dinosaurs; behemoth (land), leviathan (water), and tanniyn/dragon (air). :)
 

Reborn

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Ok, here's my point: How do we account for all the dinosaur skeletons in the museums around the world? And the new species of strange fish and things we continue to discover? They are definitely NOT abstract or symbolic but genuine creatures.

C’mon folks, I didn’t ask about religious folklore or end time theories. Please just give me any documented evidence about these two literal beasts. Thank you.

Pre Flood maybe?
There were giants of that time....so a dinosaur wouldn't be too large to some.
No, Noah's story doesn't mention taking these animals on the Ark.......maybe for a reason?
IDK?....this is an interesting view.....

Logically....?
The dinosaurs with longer necks, tend to be found with their heads pushed back.
Indicating a current of water pushing/having a "limp noodle" type effect on it's body after death?
IDK, VioletR......your guess is as good as ours, considering the Bible does not really say.:)

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JesusistheChrist

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Ok, here's my point: How do we account for all the dinosaur skeletons in the museums around the world? And the new species of strange fish and things we continue to discover? They are definitely NOT abstract or symbolic but genuine creatures.

C’mon folks, I didn’t ask about religious folklore or end time theories. Please just give me any documented evidence about these two literal beasts. Thank you.
If you follow the link that I provided and watch the video, then I honestly believe that you'll find just what you're looking for.
 
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JesusistheChrist

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Hi, Violet.

I just took the time to watch the entire video myself to make sure that I had given you a link to the correct video (I hadn't seen this video for a while) and it really doesn't get into directly discussing behemoth and leviathan until about the 1 hour and 5 minute mark, but there is a lot of good information in this video prior to that which more than suggests that dragons/dinosaurs lived contemporaneously with man.
 
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VioletReigns

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JesusistheChrist

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Hey, thank you brother JesusistheChrist! Very intelligent and intriguing video!!

I especially appreciated the valuable wisdom in the end explaining why evolutionists are so adamant about rejecting creationism.
I'm glad that it helped.

Have a blessed night in the Lord.
 
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VioletReigns

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True Story:



Before my husband went home with God, he and I used to enjoy venturing in undiscovered places and looking for all sorts of things. We were like two archaeologists digging around and moving rocks trying to find natural wonders. We would hop on his motorcycle and seek the most uninhabited places; old dilapidated barns, turn-of-the-century graveyards, forgotten creeks and stone remains of old churches and houses. I cannot tell you how many unusual “treasures” we found!


We also loved to catch salamanders, turtles and frogs. Of course, we’d release them again but it was fun finding them by a river’s edge and catching them. One morning while investigating a narrow stream almost hidden beneath a line of huge trees in rural Pennsylvania, we were lifting huge stones and found an orange colored salamander. As my husband held and admired the critter in his hands, I stooped over to look for another.


With my foot I pushed a huge dead tree branch from the bank of the stream and as I did the water began rippling. All of a sudden a humongous snake-like creature rose to the surface and silently rippled away. It happened so quickly and so smoothly that I was in absolute awe! I yelled to my husband in excitement and although we searched the rest of the afternoon for it, I never saw it again.


I honestly dismissed it as a black rat snake at first. In rural South Jersey I’ve seen plenty of them slithering around farms and down old dirt roads. The farmers loved them because the snakes got rid of the rats. They are not a huge threat and will remain motionless when threatened or will quickly slide away. They are also excellent swimmers as I’ve seen them cross the cedar creek where my siblings and I used to fish and swim. But they swam side to side, not undulating dolphin-like as this one did. And the biggest black snake I’ve ever seen (approximately 6 ft long) was nowhere near as long and thick as the one I witnessed in that stream.


Anyhow, I still tell myself it was a black rat snake but definitely the biggest one I ever saw. Evidently, it was unusually big because I can’t find anything online that suggests anything the size of the one I saw that day. Or that they swim like a little Loch Ness monster undulating over the surface of the water. LOL

 

Agricola

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The creature in JOb is definitly fits the dragons in Chinese mythology, I beleive that this is the case.
 
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VioletReigns

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The creature in Job definitely fits the dragons in Chinese mythology, I believe that this is the case.

The creature in Job fits a dragon alright! But ask yourself: Why would God speak to His servant Job from a mythological standpoint? The Lord is explaining that since Job cannot even hope to tame these literal creations of God with arrows, javelins or cords, why would he expect God to answer to his demands. It doesn’t make any sense if the Lord reminded Job that he couldn’t tame mythological dragons with weapons and ropes, does it? These are REAL dragons/dinosaurs/animals God is describing.
 

Agricola

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The creature in Job fits a dragon alright! But ask yourself: Why would God speak to His servant Job from a mythological standpoint? The Lord is explaining that since Job cannot even hope to tame these literal creations of God with arrows, javelins or cords, why would he expect God to answer to his demands. It doesn’t make any sense if the Lord reminded Job that he couldn’t tame mythological dragons with weapons and ropes, does it? These are REAL dragons/dinosaurs/animals God is describing.
Ok well drop the "mythological" part then, Chinese dragons do fit this image, they have been going since no one knows when, but over the thousands of years with no creature to back the claim they just become "myths and legends".
 
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He is describing Satan keep reading and at the end He say's that he is the father of the children of pride. What animal is the father of the children of pride?
 
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VioletReigns

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He is describing Satan keep reading and at the end He say's that he is the father of the children of pride. What animal is the father of the children of pride?
I don't discern that at all, ChristInUs. Beginning in Job chapter 38 as God is talking to His servant Job "from a whirlwind", the Lord reminds him of all He created: the earth's foundations, the weather, the heavens, the creatures, etc.

Job 41:34 "He (Leviathan) beholds all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride." The Lord is saying that Leviathan, the most powerful creature He has created, makes even the most self-confident and prideful man fear him.
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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'behemoth' is actually a hebrew term that apparently refers to any kind of large wild beast...however the behemoth described in job sounds most like an apatosaurus type dinosaur...the choice of words in the description of its tail argues against identifying it with an elephant or a hippopotamus... my somewhat educated guess is that it was specifically a bruhathkayosaurus...possibly the largest dinosaur and largest land animal that ever lived...and it lived in india which might be regarded as part of job's 'world'...near enough to the middle east that ideas could have traveled back and forth...including maybe reports of a giant dinosaur...

the leviathan was clearly a giant sea creature...apparently reptilian...but the crocodile is ruled out by the bible's description of leviathan's tongue... my semi educated guess is that this was a tylosaurus...

there are two other unidentified creatures in the bible...there is a sea creature called rahab...and the fish that swallowed jonah which jesus refers to as a 'ketos'...
 
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VioletReigns

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'behemoth' is actually a hebrew term that apparently refers to any kind of large wild beast...however the behemoth described in job sounds most like an apatosaurus type dinosaur...the choice of words in the description of its tail argues against identifying it with an elephant or a hippopotamus... my somewhat educated guess is that it was specifically a bruhathkayosaurus...possibly the largest dinosaur and largest land animal that ever lived...and it lived in india which might be regarded as part of job's 'world'...near enough to the middle east that ideas could have traveled back and forth...including maybe reports of a giant dinosaur...

the leviathan was clearly a giant sea creature...apparently reptilian...but the crocodile is ruled out by the bible's description of leviathan's tongue... my semi educated guess is that this was a tylosaurus...

there are two other unidentified creatures in the bible...there is a sea creature called rahab...and the fish that swallowed jonah which jesus refers to as a 'ketos'...
Thank you for this information, RachelBibleStudent! :)
 
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Laodicea

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I would like some insight on Behemoth and Leviathan mentioned in the book of Job. Reading through chapters 40 and 41, these beasts are described as humongous and fearsome. No man could ever hope to capture them. I'm wondering if they were dinosaurs, one a land creature and the other aquatic. And if so, were these creatures roaming the earth in Job's lifetime? I'd appreciate any information, please.

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It is also possible that it is describing Satan the great dragon. Because look at what Job went through then Job and his friends had a converstation about what happened to Job at the end God speaks and answers. If it is dinosaurs then Job's questions are not really answered, but if it is Satan then God answers Jobs questions. It shows what God has to deal with.

Revelation 12:9 KJV
(9) And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.