A woman as a Pastor? Does it make it right if there is a need for pastors?
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If a female pastor has truly undergone the birth about which Christ spoke at
John 3:3-8, she will not be lost to hell. However, there are rewards to
consider; and according to 2Tim 2:5, it is essential to play by the rules in
order to win a prize; which essentially says that all of a female pastor's work
will be judged as wood, hay, and stubble. She will be saved, yes; but all her
endeavors as a pastor will be disqualified. (1Cor 3:11-15)
Here are some of the rules of the game:
†. 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.
†. 1Cor 14:34-35 . . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is
not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under
obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask
their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
†. 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
A truly spiritual female will comply with Paul's rules because they are
Christ's rules.
†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of The Lord.
Females who disobey Christ's rules are no better than pagan heathens.
†. 1Sam 15:23 . . For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and
insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry.
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If a female pastor has truly undergone the birth about which Christ spoke at
John 3:3-8, she will not be lost to hell. However, there are rewards to
consider; and according to 2Tim 2:5, it is essential to play by the rules in
order to win a prize; which essentially says that all of a female pastor's work
will be judged as wood, hay, and stubble. She will be saved, yes; but all her
endeavors as a pastor will be disqualified. (1Cor 3:11-15)
Here are some of the rules of the game:
†. 1Cor 11:3 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is
Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is
God.
†. 1Cor 14:34-35 . . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is
not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under
obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn anything, let them ask
their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
†. 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I
suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be
in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
A truly spiritual female will comply with Paul's rules because they are
Christ's rules.
†. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let
him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the
commandments of The Lord.
Females who disobey Christ's rules are no better than pagan heathens.
†. 1Sam 15:23 . . For rebellion is as the sin of divination, and
insubordination is as iniquity and idolatry.
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I agree with him. Its a snub in the face of God. Its like saying "God I don't really care what you think, I'm going to be a preacher anyway. Total disrespect to God. I'm shocked everybody doesn't feel the same about this issue.
O
oldthennew
Guest
Kala,
your offence is understandable, but take comfort in the
fruits that your family has born.
our Father looks at things a lot different than we do, for His ways
are so much higher than our ways.
my husband and I are continually thanking our Father for what He has done for us,
He has such merciful eyes when He looks upon us all, this is a virtue that we should
abide in or at least be willing to learn.
which of us does not have a 'mote' in our own eye???
we learned very early-on that when we thought to pluck the 'mote' out of another's eye,
that God was showing us that we needed to minister to ourselves 'first', for He taught us that
we shouldn't be looking for fault in others when we have so many of our own to
correct.
it would be arrogance of heart for any of us to claim to know if our Father is going to deal
with severity or goodness or if He is going to call one an enemy or a friend concerning
any matter;
it is no human's call or angel's call to decide the 'Mind of God'.
as it is written,
'Judgment is Mine, saith the Lord.'
your offence is understandable, but take comfort in the
fruits that your family has born.
our Father looks at things a lot different than we do, for His ways
are so much higher than our ways.
my husband and I are continually thanking our Father for what He has done for us,
He has such merciful eyes when He looks upon us all, this is a virtue that we should
abide in or at least be willing to learn.
which of us does not have a 'mote' in our own eye???
we learned very early-on that when we thought to pluck the 'mote' out of another's eye,
that God was showing us that we needed to minister to ourselves 'first', for He taught us that
we shouldn't be looking for fault in others when we have so many of our own to
correct.
it would be arrogance of heart for any of us to claim to know if our Father is going to deal
with severity or goodness or if He is going to call one an enemy or a friend concerning
any matter;
it is no human's call or angel's call to decide the 'Mind of God'.
as it is written,
'Judgment is Mine, saith the Lord.'
Friend, how can nurturing people's faith in Christ be disrespectful to God? Jesus instructs all believers to take part in the Great Commission, and He did not put any limitations on it.
There's nothing wrong with spreading the gospel but that's totally different than sitting in spiritual authority over a congregation. He does put limits on it... a woman is not to teach a man.
S
Sirk
Guest
But Christ wouldn't sexually harass anyone, now would He. And neither would the apostles, most likely.
You're on the right track. Think through it.
What did a woman who went west in the 1860's into the Montana Territory to spread the Gospel (preach, teach, pastor, whatever word you want to use) face? Think Red Cloud's War on one side, and discrimination et al far worse than anyone can imagine on the other side. Sexual harassment is a mild term to describe it.
What is an apostle? One sent out. Christ did not forbid women from this sort of activity. But He didn't particularly encourage it either.
Everything on earth is a pattern of the heavenly. For example God made females to have monthly periods... the woman is cleansed by the blood. This is the earthly pattern of the heavenly reality, the woman (the church) is cleansed by the blood (Christ's blood) The heavens declare the glory of God and so does creation.
The woman is to learn from her husband. The woman (the church) is to learn from her husband (Christ).
A woman greatly honors Christ to live out this earthly shadow of heavenly truth.
Women are just as good, smart, spiritual etc. as a man. That's not the point. The point is God wants things done for His purposes, it's just plain wrong to usurp that.
K
kaylagrl
Guest
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal. 3:28
Excerpt from Can Women Be Pastors?
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Remember this letter was written in response to the many questions the church was asking in another letter. 1 Corinthians 7:1 says, "Now for the matters you wrote about…" The Corinthian church wrote a letter asking Paul questions. I believe the passage you quoted was actually Paul quoting one of the false teachings going on in the Corinthian church.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Notice the entire language of the statement about women being silent.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Of course when you recognize that Paul did not teach the Law but Grace, you realize Paul would never use the Law to prove anything. The author of this statement about women remaining silent used the Law as the basis of this practice."But they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." Paul would never use the Law to enforce any behavior. Paul taught that the Law was nailed to the cross (see Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14), so why would he appeal to the Law to ban women? Paul did not agree with the statement but questioned it.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]In response to this ban on women, Paul says, "Let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command" (14:37). Paul taught and wrote that the women in Corinth could prophesy with their heads covered (ch 11). He also wrote, "For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged " (14:31). All can prophesy. That includes women!
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[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Concerning the roles of women in the Lord, there is no ban from the ministry. A woman can do everything a man can do as far as the ministry is concerned. There should be equality in the ministry. I believe a woman can pastor.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Some will argue that Jesus never ordained women to be His apostles, thus, setting aside women from being in the ministry. If you argue against women being pastors by appealing to the fact that the apostles were men, then you must ban slaves and Greeks from the ministry, because Jesus only chose free men who were Jews to be His apostles. I haven’t heard any Gentiles willing to step down from the ministry, because the Apostles were Jews.
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]God's word is logical, under what logic can you apply that forbids women leadership in the church? Is there something in the female species that keeps them from communicating the Word effectively (do females have problems talking), or perhaps something in their psyche that keeps them from organizing ministry effectively (are females dumb)? I do not get it. There is nothing in church leadership requirements (preaching, organizing, counseling) that keeps women from effectively doing their jobs. We are not asking them to be football players. There is nothing physical about church leadership that keeps women from doing the job. About the passage in 1 Timothy 2:12-15. [/COLOR]
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]You must understand the culture in Paul's day. The ancient world was male-dominated; so rather than crusade against it, the apostles accommodated themselves to it, but they had hoped that the gospel would change society. In the meantime, however, Paul knew society would not accept women as pastors so he presumes that the pastor would be a male.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Now the reverse is true. Most societies accept the equal rights of women, yet many churches are fighting the reverse culture war by keeping women from equality in the church. I think those churches that refuse to accept the full role of women in the church actually hinder the gospel by showing prejudiced against women. Doing this is contrary to the message and life of Christ who was progressive in His view of women.[/COLOR]
[FONT=arial, helvetica][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Every historian agrees at this point: that Jesus was way ahead of society when it came to the equality of women. Yet, ministers are often way behind society when it comes to the role of women. I think it is a shame that governments, corporations, schools, and other institutions, are leading the way for equality, while many churches lag behind. The traditional church has been a bad example in this area.
[FONT=arial, helvetica][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)] [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT]
Excerpt from Can Women Be Pastors?
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Remember this letter was written in response to the many questions the church was asking in another letter. 1 Corinthians 7:1 says, "Now for the matters you wrote about…" The Corinthian church wrote a letter asking Paul questions. I believe the passage you quoted was actually Paul quoting one of the false teachings going on in the Corinthian church.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Notice the entire language of the statement about women being silent.[/COLOR]
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only. (1 Cor 14:34-36, KJV)
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]After this chauvinistic statement Paul exclaims "What?" Paul is almost beside himself when he reads back this statement from the letter written to him. Paul is not the one making the statement. Paul is quoting from the letter. The fact Paul exclaims, "What? came the word of God out from you?" shows that the statement came from the Corinthian church, and they were claiming to exclude the women from speaking based on the Law, which they claimed was the word of God.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Of course when you recognize that Paul did not teach the Law but Grace, you realize Paul would never use the Law to prove anything. The author of this statement about women remaining silent used the Law as the basis of this practice."But they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." Paul would never use the Law to enforce any behavior. Paul taught that the Law was nailed to the cross (see Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14), so why would he appeal to the Law to ban women? Paul did not agree with the statement but questioned it.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]In response to this ban on women, Paul says, "Let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command" (14:37). Paul taught and wrote that the women in Corinth could prophesy with their heads covered (ch 11). He also wrote, "For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged " (14:31). All can prophesy. That includes women!
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Concerning the roles of women in the Lord, there is no ban from the ministry. A woman can do everything a man can do as far as the ministry is concerned. There should be equality in the ministry. I believe a woman can pastor.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Some will argue that Jesus never ordained women to be His apostles, thus, setting aside women from being in the ministry. If you argue against women being pastors by appealing to the fact that the apostles were men, then you must ban slaves and Greeks from the ministry, because Jesus only chose free men who were Jews to be His apostles. I haven’t heard any Gentiles willing to step down from the ministry, because the Apostles were Jews.
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]God's word is logical, under what logic can you apply that forbids women leadership in the church? Is there something in the female species that keeps them from communicating the Word effectively (do females have problems talking), or perhaps something in their psyche that keeps them from organizing ministry effectively (are females dumb)? I do not get it. There is nothing in church leadership requirements (preaching, organizing, counseling) that keeps women from effectively doing their jobs. We are not asking them to be football players. There is nothing physical about church leadership that keeps women from doing the job. About the passage in 1 Timothy 2:12-15. [/COLOR]
I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]This is not dealing with "church" authority but authority in the "home." The context proves it. Paul uses Adam and Eve as the example of authority. What relationship did Adam and Eve have? They were husband and wife, not pastor and sheep. Since there is no Greek word for husband and wife, the word "man" and "woman" is also translated "husband" and "wife", and based on the context these words should have been translated as such.
[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]You must understand the culture in Paul's day. The ancient world was male-dominated; so rather than crusade against it, the apostles accommodated themselves to it, but they had hoped that the gospel would change society. In the meantime, however, Paul knew society would not accept women as pastors so he presumes that the pastor would be a male.[/COLOR]
[COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Now the reverse is true. Most societies accept the equal rights of women, yet many churches are fighting the reverse culture war by keeping women from equality in the church. I think those churches that refuse to accept the full role of women in the church actually hinder the gospel by showing prejudiced against women. Doing this is contrary to the message and life of Christ who was progressive in His view of women.[/COLOR]
[FONT=arial, helvetica][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)]Every historian agrees at this point: that Jesus was way ahead of society when it came to the equality of women. Yet, ministers are often way behind society when it comes to the role of women. I think it is a shame that governments, corporations, schools, and other institutions, are leading the way for equality, while many churches lag behind. The traditional church has been a bad example in this area.
[FONT=arial, helvetica][COLOR=rgba(0, 0, 0, 0)] [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT]
I asked you a question you didn't answer.
In your KJV in Judges 5:13 you have "the LORD made me have dominion over the mighty."
Does that verse tell you that God called Deborah to be the spiritual and civil leader over Israel?
If not, what does that verse mean to you?
K
kaylagrl
Guest
Wow,I dont know what I hit in my post but it would let me fix it so here it is without all the globbelty gook
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal. 3:28
Excerpt from Can Women Be Pastors?
Remember this letter was written in response to the many questions the church was asking in another letter. 1 Corinthians 7:1 says, "Now for the matters you wrote about…" The Corinthian church wrote a letter asking Paul questions. I believe the passage you quoted was actually Paul quoting one of the false teachings going on in the Corinthian church.
Notice the entire language of the statement about women being silent.Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only. (1 Cor 14:34-36, KJV)
After this chauvinistic statement Paul exclaims "What?" Paul is almost beside himself when he reads back this statement from the letter written to him. Paul is not the one making the statement. Paul is quoting from the letter. The fact Paul exclaims, "What? came the word of God out from you?" shows that the statement came from the Corinthian church, and they were claiming to exclude the women from speaking based on the Law, which they claimed was the word of God.
Of course when you recognize that Paul did not teach the Law but Grace, you realize Paul would never use the Law to prove anything. The author of this statement about women remaining silent used the Law as the basis of this practice"But they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." Paul would never use the Law to enforce any behavior. Paul taught that the Law was nailed to the cross (see Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14), so why would he appeal to the Law to ban women? Paul did not agree with the statement but questioned it.In response to this ban on women, Paul says, "Let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command" (14:37). Paul taught and wrote that the women in Corinth could prophesy with their heads covered (ch 11). He also wrote, "For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged " (14:31). All can prophesy. That includes women!
Concerning the roles of women in the Lord, there is no ban from the ministry. A woman can do everything a man can do as far as the ministry is concerned. There should be equality in the ministry. I believe a woman can pastor.Some will argue that Jesus never ordained women to be His apostles, thus, setting aside women from being in the ministry. If you argue against women being pastors by appealing to the fact that the apostles were men, then you must ban slaves and Greeks from the ministry, because Jesus only chose free men who were Jews to be His apostles. I haven’t heard any Gentiles willing to step down from the ministry, because the Apostles were Jews.
God's word is logical, under what logic can you apply that forbids women leadership in the church? Is there something in the female species that keeps them from communicating the Word effectively (do females have problems talking), or perhaps something in their psyche that keeps them from organizing ministry effectively (are females dumb)? I do not get it. There is nothing in church leadership requirements (preaching, organizing, counseling) that keeps women from effectively doing their jobs. We are not asking them to be football players. There is nothing physical about church leadership that keeps women from doing the job. About the passage in 1 Timothy 2:12-15.I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
This is not dealing with "church" authority but authority in the "home." The context proves it. Paul uses Adam and Eve as the example of authority. What relationship did Adam and Eve have? They were husband and wife, not pastor and sheep. Since there is no Greek word for husband and wife, the word "man" and "woman" is also translated "husband" and "wife", and based on the context these words should have been translated as such.
You must understand the culture in Paul's day. The ancient world was male-dominated; so rather than crusade against it, the apostles accommodated themselves to it, but they had hoped that the gospel would change society. In the meantime, however, Paul knew society would not accept women as pastors so he presumes that the pastor would be a male.
Now the reverse is true. Most societies accept the equal rights of women, yet many churches are fighting the reverse culture war by keeping women from equality in the church. I think those churches that refuse to accept the full role of women in the church actually hinder the gospel by showing prejudiced against women. Doing this is contrary to the message and life of Christ who was progressive in His view of women.Every historian agrees at this point: that Jesus was way ahead of society when it came to the equality of women. Yet, ministers are often way behind society when it comes to the role of women. I think it is a shame that governments, corporations, schools, and other institutions, are leading the way for equality, while many churches lag behind. The traditional church has been a bad example in this area.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Gal. 3:28
Excerpt from Can Women Be Pastors?
Remember this letter was written in response to the many questions the church was asking in another letter. 1 Corinthians 7:1 says, "Now for the matters you wrote about…" The Corinthian church wrote a letter asking Paul questions. I believe the passage you quoted was actually Paul quoting one of the false teachings going on in the Corinthian church.
Notice the entire language of the statement about women being silent.Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only. (1 Cor 14:34-36, KJV)
After this chauvinistic statement Paul exclaims "What?" Paul is almost beside himself when he reads back this statement from the letter written to him. Paul is not the one making the statement. Paul is quoting from the letter. The fact Paul exclaims, "What? came the word of God out from you?" shows that the statement came from the Corinthian church, and they were claiming to exclude the women from speaking based on the Law, which they claimed was the word of God.
Of course when you recognize that Paul did not teach the Law but Grace, you realize Paul would never use the Law to prove anything. The author of this statement about women remaining silent used the Law as the basis of this practice"But they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law." Paul would never use the Law to enforce any behavior. Paul taught that the Law was nailed to the cross (see Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14), so why would he appeal to the Law to ban women? Paul did not agree with the statement but questioned it.In response to this ban on women, Paul says, "Let him acknowledge that what I am writing to you is the Lord's command" (14:37). Paul taught and wrote that the women in Corinth could prophesy with their heads covered (ch 11). He also wrote, "For you can all prophesy in turn so that everyone may be instructed and encouraged " (14:31). All can prophesy. That includes women!
Concerning the roles of women in the Lord, there is no ban from the ministry. A woman can do everything a man can do as far as the ministry is concerned. There should be equality in the ministry. I believe a woman can pastor.Some will argue that Jesus never ordained women to be His apostles, thus, setting aside women from being in the ministry. If you argue against women being pastors by appealing to the fact that the apostles were men, then you must ban slaves and Greeks from the ministry, because Jesus only chose free men who were Jews to be His apostles. I haven’t heard any Gentiles willing to step down from the ministry, because the Apostles were Jews.
God's word is logical, under what logic can you apply that forbids women leadership in the church? Is there something in the female species that keeps them from communicating the Word effectively (do females have problems talking), or perhaps something in their psyche that keeps them from organizing ministry effectively (are females dumb)? I do not get it. There is nothing in church leadership requirements (preaching, organizing, counseling) that keeps women from effectively doing their jobs. We are not asking them to be football players. There is nothing physical about church leadership that keeps women from doing the job. About the passage in 1 Timothy 2:12-15.I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve. And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
This is not dealing with "church" authority but authority in the "home." The context proves it. Paul uses Adam and Eve as the example of authority. What relationship did Adam and Eve have? They were husband and wife, not pastor and sheep. Since there is no Greek word for husband and wife, the word "man" and "woman" is also translated "husband" and "wife", and based on the context these words should have been translated as such.
You must understand the culture in Paul's day. The ancient world was male-dominated; so rather than crusade against it, the apostles accommodated themselves to it, but they had hoped that the gospel would change society. In the meantime, however, Paul knew society would not accept women as pastors so he presumes that the pastor would be a male.
Now the reverse is true. Most societies accept the equal rights of women, yet many churches are fighting the reverse culture war by keeping women from equality in the church. I think those churches that refuse to accept the full role of women in the church actually hinder the gospel by showing prejudiced against women. Doing this is contrary to the message and life of Christ who was progressive in His view of women.Every historian agrees at this point: that Jesus was way ahead of society when it came to the equality of women. Yet, ministers are often way behind society when it comes to the role of women. I think it is a shame that governments, corporations, schools, and other institutions, are leading the way for equality, while many churches lag behind. The traditional church has been a bad example in this area.
I have no idea who's talking, what he/she is talking about or what having dominion over the mighty means. But one thing I do know, it's not talking about Deborah being given authority over men. That's a total contradiction of everything Paul wrote about and the bible does not contradict itself.
I can't find where the Bible says one thing against women preachers. I'm using 'preacher' the way it's usually used in the Bible, not for something done in church, but for proclaiming the Gospel. Jesus sent Mary Magdalene to tell His disciples that He had risen from the dead, after all.
We use 'preach' to mean talk loud in church. Translations aren't always consistent in what they translate 'preach', but usually the word is used to translate situations that refer to evangelism, rather than speaking in church. In church, we should hear prophesying, teaching, and exhortation from the saints.
The New Testament also teaches that women will prophesy.
Being a 'preacher' and a 'pastor' isn't the same thing. Whether 'pastor' is an official role in charge of the church isn't specified in scripture. The apostles appointed elders and called them overseers/bishops. I don't believe a woman should serve in that role, because I Timothy 3 and Titus 1 tells us that he should be a man, a one woman man.
We use 'preach' to mean talk loud in church. Translations aren't always consistent in what they translate 'preach', but usually the word is used to translate situations that refer to evangelism, rather than speaking in church. In church, we should hear prophesying, teaching, and exhortation from the saints.
The New Testament also teaches that women will prophesy.
Being a 'preacher' and a 'pastor' isn't the same thing. Whether 'pastor' is an official role in charge of the church isn't specified in scripture. The apostles appointed elders and called them overseers/bishops. I don't believe a woman should serve in that role, because I Timothy 3 and Titus 1 tells us that he should be a man, a one woman man.
E
elf3
Guest
Galatians 5:22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self control. Against such things there is no law."
Now having quoted this and having been called many things here in this discussion; which side of this discussion shows these the least?
Now having quoted this and having been called many things here in this discussion; which side of this discussion shows these the least?
Sexism? God made one lump of clay for a specific job and another for another job. How is that sexism? Can the clay so to the potter "why has thou made me thus"?
S
Sirk
Guest
that's entirely out of context
I resent the insinuation by people in this thread that those of us against female preachers hate women in general. So really look out at your own attitude first.