"I HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST!"

Sirk · Jan 30, 2015

A couple more fir your viewing pleasure.

Be grateful
be open and honest
try to see the value in others
demand more of myself than others
make decision on facts not feelings
receptive to change
admit if my actions or words hurt people and seek forgiveness
hang around healthy people
Look at my own behavior honestly and critically

Viligant_Warrior · Jan 30, 2015

Stegley said:

You, sir, are a heretic. You reject God's word, you reject God's apostle, you even imply that Paul was of Satan, not in Christ. Therefore, you are not of God.

Let's break this down for you so you can understand where you have gone wrong. Let's start with the context of Paul's statement.

1 Corinthians 2, NASB
3 I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling,
4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.
6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
7 but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
9 but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
16 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

We see in vv. 5, 6 that the mind of Christ, and His wisdom, is sharply contrasted with man's mind, and our naïveté.
In verse seven, Paul tells us the mind of Christ, and His wisdom, was once hidden but is now, in Christ Incarnate, revealed for all to see and know.
In vv. 10-12, we learn that the gift of the Holy Spirit is in fact the implanting of the mind of Christ in the believer.
Verse 14 makes clear that the mind of Christ is unavailable, cannot be discerned, without the Spirit.
Verse 15 relates that our discernment in spiritual matters comes directly from the mind of Christ through the Holy Spirit in us.

Bluntly put, Stegley, the exegesis of this passage would tend to prove you don't have the mind of Christ. Where does that leave you? I ask you to prayerfully consider your answer, rather than lashing out in sarcastic anger as you commonly do.

sveinen · Jan 30, 2015

The Cross.
"IT IS DONE."
..PERFECTED BY PERFECT. MADE ONE.
JESUS CHRIST. HIM CRUCIFIED.

posthuman · Jan 30, 2015

naturally, seeing the thread topic and reading the originating post, i looked up in the scripture where "the mind of Christ" is written of. first thing i found is quoted below..
hmm wonder who "we" is in this passage:

these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”

But we have the mind of Christ.
(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)

it's not "me" that has the mind of Christ -- but the Spirit of God knows the mind of Christ, and teaches me - the Spirit has this mind, and God has given us of this Spirit. if i "have" it it's not expressing 'ownership' or 'origin' from within myself, but being owned by God, and originating in God.

i think then if we don't have the mind of Christ, we are not in Him, because who is in Him is sealed with this Spirit. if we have part in this spirit, though, we all do have the mind of Christ, having not our own mind, but instead crucifying our own vain thinking along with our transgressions, and taking part in the life that is Christ.
how else could it be? that we put to death the sin of our carnal bodies, but not our carnal way of thinking? or that we have no mind at all?

Ugly · Jan 30, 2015

Stegley said:

Have you read the TOS? No where does it forbid personal comments.

And really, who are you to think it's your place to judge where others are at in Christ? All that you say reeks of spiritual pride and arrogance, not an ounce of humility. So how about YOU show yourself, instead of expecting from others. Though, you've already shown yourself without even trying.

Stegley · Jan 30, 2015

Reformed_Baptist said:

Is any really able to make a judgement on another's personal walk and faith based upon one post on an internet forum?

Maybe though your statements need to be analysed a little.

You asked if I am a servant to the point of death, well if I am not then I am not saved. The Bible describes all believers as being servants (slaves actually) to Christ Jesus (see Eph 6:6 for example) and if I do not continue in that condition until the day I die then I will not enter heaven. However having said that I must also realise that I am an unprofitable servant (Luke 17:10).

However, I am not sure that is what you meant, the way your statements are loaded suggests that you have in mind something more specific - maybe a martyrs death or the like! As I am still alive that question must remain unanswered, but I hope that should the situation arise I would be willing to give me life for Christ.

You also ask if I love my neighbour as myself - and my answer is, 'no, not perfectly' but then it isn't my obedience I am relying upon to be saved, rather is the obedience and sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ that I rest upon.

then you go on to say:

Here, I have to challenge you about what your point is? I was responding to certain assertions about what the mind of Christ looks like, and also about what value we place upon various portions of scripture - I made absolutely no claims regarding my own conduct in regards to having the mind of Christ! So, I am not sure why you feel that any of your questions are appropriate responses to my words? [/COLOR]

Do the comments of any person carry worthwhile merit if not based upon first hand knowledge?

Stegley · Jan 30, 2015

Ugly said:

Have you read the TOS? No where does it forbid personal comments.

And really, who are you to think it's your place to judge where others are at in Christ? All that you say reeks of spiritual pride and arrogance, not an ounce of humility. So how about YOU show yourself, instead of expecting from others. Though, you've already shown yourself without even trying.

The TOS require civil speech. Got that?

kaylagrl · Jan 30, 2015

Stegley said:

Why dont you give us examples of how you act like Christ?Since you seem to be the teacher what have you given up for Christ? So we can follow your example.

Sirk · Jan 30, 2015

kaylagrl said:

Agreed. A true leader leads by example.

Stegley · Jan 30, 2015

Sirk said:

Its a good question. I am not always successful in my endeavor to "act" like Jesus. People ask the question "what would Jesus do".....I prefer to ask Jesus what he WILL do. As far as ten examples.

Love God
love others
sacrificially love my wife
dont be surprised when people hurt sin against me or disappoint me
forgive quickly
be an example of the fruits of the spirit to my children
control my thinking (think positively)
work towards win win cooperative relationships
be considerate of others and their perspective
choose to let go of my desire to change or control others.

I could give you many more but now its your turn.

Those are not examples, but merely are speculative general assessments of yourself.

kaylagrl · Jan 30, 2015

Stegley said:

We're all waiting on your answer...

kaylagrl · Jan 30, 2015

kaylagrl said:

Silence.....??

Sirk · Jan 30, 2015

Stegley said:

Those are specific examples of how I believe the bible teaches to love God and love others. I patiently await your leadership.

kaylagrl · Jan 30, 2015

Sirk said:

I dont want to speak too soon mind you, but I think I may have squashed a troll.We shall see...

ISeeYou · Jan 30, 2015

posthuman said:

Yes, you can see alot of things laying within the picture centered right at the cross that speaks not only to His death (and the specific place of the same pertaining to a skull itself). Just as we were "enemies in our minds" (which is also a place of a skull) where we (in our natural selves) would seek to crucify him because the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God. Its like the crossing over from death (even being carnally minded) which is death unto life (spirtually minded) which is life and peace, as enemies are put beneathe his feet (even teaching) being made subject unto Christ.

The wording indicates these spiritual truths spoken very openly by the apostles in the same sense and can be built upon

For example,

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death;

And the fate of Him according to the same pertains to the skull

Mark 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

The New Covenant pertained to writing his laws in their minds as by The Spirit, so he would leave this world

1Cr 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.

But he would see them again, a figure of the same

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.

The mind/ place of the skull (even carnally minded= death) His enemies in our minds

Col 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienatedand enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled.

Various scriptures pointing to the things that sit in the picture

Ephes 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;

I left out one part because I was unsure of its significance, it seems to work but leave it out now becase I dont believe I can adequately show it, I need more verses then are here

For example, Christ is our passover right?

He says this

Duet 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

So the very place he would place his name IN (and his name pertains to the mind) and so would be where he could be shown (somehow) to pertain tothe same, whereas we can see He was crucified at Galgotha (or a place of a skull) which would fit into the same line of thought.Looking at Egypt as it pertains to his crucifixion connects in this one

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

1Cr 5:7 For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

So I was looking at all this as it realtes to the NC (passover/ death unto life/ place of a skull/ name in mind/ laws in mind) and trying to correctly bring this together, such as these two

Duet 16:6 But at the place which the LORD thy God shall choose to place his name in, there thou shalt sacrifice the passover at even, at the going down of the sun, at the season that thou camest forth out of Egypt.

Mark 15:22 And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

And again,

Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face;and his name shall be in their foreheads.

I dont think I can manage that one as sufficiently as I might like to

But you can see the similarities at the "cross" (over) in our "pass" (over) the carnal mind being death (leading him to his) enemies in our minds (a place of a skull) the NC sitting front and center in Christ and all that is written of the mind as it could pertain. Could take it with a grain of salt, but really blesses me to see in such a small picture the vastness of the NC in these little details.

God bless you in Christ Jesus the Lord

posthuman · Jan 30, 2015

ISeeYou said:

me either.

let's pray, and trust that He will manage what we are unable to

Stegley · Jan 30, 2015

Utah said:

Yes. I have quite the same reaction to them as do you. These people who actually think they "Have The Mind Of Christ" merely becuase they favor Paul's twice mentioning it never like to demonstrate what they claim to have. It is all part of the modern delusion where if someone merely agrees with some statement in Scripture, trying to "claim it," they then think it is active in themself.

Lol.

Stegley · Jan 30, 2015

Sirk said:

Jesus did none of those things.

Lol. For instance, He said it was not the healthy who needed a physician, but the sick. He "hung around" with sick and spiritually dead people. Now, are you ready to look at yourself "critically" for speaking such an error?

Sirk · Jan 30, 2015

Stegley said:

He did all of those things because he was God in the flesh. He didn't need to seek a healthy mind...he was perfectly pure in all his thoughts and actions.

As as far as hanging around healthy people would it help you if I told you I hang around people who are pursuing health? There are absolutely zero completly healthy people alive on the earth. I don't like your critical tone with me.

Stegley · Jan 30, 2015

Viligant_Warrior said:

You, sir, are a heretic. You reject God's word, you reject God's apostle, you even imply that Paul was of Satan, not in Christ. Therefore, you are not of God.

Let's break this down for you so you can understand where you have gone wrong. Let's start with the context of Paul's statement.

1 Corinthians 2, NASB
3 I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling,
4 and my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
5 so that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.
6 Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away;
7 but we speak God's wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory;
8 the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory;
9 but just as it is written, "THINGS WHICH EYE HAS NOT SEEN AND EAR HAS NOT HEARD, AND which HAVE NOT ENTERED THE HEART OF MAN, ALL THAT GOD HAS PREPARED FOR THOSE WHO LOVE HIM."
10 For to us God revealed them through the Spirit; for the Spirit searches all things, even the depths of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may know the things freely given to us by God,
13 which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.
14 But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised.
15 But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one.
16 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.

We see in vv. 5, 6 that the mind of Christ, and His wisdom, is sharply contrasted with man's mind, and our naïveté.
In verse seven, Paul tells us the mind of Christ, and His wisdom, was once hidden b ut is now, in Christ Incarnate, revealed for all to see and know.
In vv. 10-12, we learn that the gift of the Holy Spirit is in fact the implanting of the mind of Christ in the believer.
Verse 14 makes clear that the mind of Christ is unavailable, cannot be discerned, without the Spirit.
Verse 15 relates that our discernment in spiritual matters comes directly from the mind of Christ through the Holy Spirit in us.

Bluntly put, Stegley, the exegesis of this passage would tend to prove you don't have the mind of Christ. Where does that leave you? I ask you to prayerfully consider your answer, rather than lashing out in sarcastic anger as you commonly do.

Assuming The Mind of Christ is automatically a part of having The Holy Spirit does not stand up to examination, just as modern "pentecostalism" does not replicate anything in Acts Ch. 2, and falls apart with simple inspection using Scripture.

Remember, Paul is not one of "The Twelve Apostles" spoken of in Revelations, none of The Apostles called him an apostle, and Jesus never is recorded to have commissioned him an apostle. Paul also violates Proverbs 10:19 and 29:11 in all of his writings. In fact, he spoke his whole mind in a multiude of words through one night so much so that a young man lost consciousness and died. That shows more than the sinner himself suffers when a person ignores God's Word. Yes, God revived the young man, but that does not.mean Paul was an apostle.

Try to use Scripture to form your ideas, okay? That is how Christ can be glorified.

"I HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST!"

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