Divination in todays world

[jaybird88]

what is divination? it seems easy to define at first, using a crystal ball or ouija board but its more complicated than that. i always think it is looking for spiritual knowledge through sources out side our Lord or the bible. but you cant use the crystal ball to make a financial investment but you can use a weather radar to plan your work week(see into the future). i also think about going back in time 500 years, if they saw my smart phone, laptop, ipod, etc they would probably have me executed for witchcraft/divination.
so what is divination today?

 

[Ugly]

div·i·na·tion noun \ˌdi-və-ˈnā-shən\ : the practice of using signs (such as an arrangement of tea leaves or cards) or special powers to predict the future








[h=2]Full Definition of DIVINATION[/h]1
: the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers

 

[nogard]

I think Horoscopes are still pretty popular among some people. But I think overall western society has relied less on traditional divination gimmicks of the past.

 

[ISeeYou]

Heres a couple of them showing in the verse itself

Ezek 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, **The LORD saith it** albeit I have not spoken?


Jerm 14:4 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies**in my name**: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them,neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a **false vision and divination**,and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Jerm 23:31 Behold, I am against **the prophets**,saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, **He saith**.

Sorta like Hananiah the prophet, even as Peter said there were false prophets among the people as there shall be among us that shall bring in heresies even denying the Lord, which shall bring swift destruction upon themselves. Which again is somewhat reflective in Hananiah also in that after he was speaking his "thus saith the LORD's" (lying divinations) to the people (in lying to them) and wouldnt recieve Jeremiah's correction according to the prophets that were before both of them God said he would cast him from the face of the earth, and so he ended up dying.

Rebellion against the Lord

Jerm 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast **taught rebellion** against the LORD.

Rebellion is as...

1Sam 15:23 For **rebellion** is as the sin of witchcraft (same as **divination**) and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Thats just a couple

 

[Angela53510]

Astrology, Ouija Boards, Tarot Cards, tea leaves, and personal prophecy in some churches!

I do not think that technology is divination, because it is not about predicting the future. Some people so desperately want to know their future. I would just rather live and trust God for whatever may happen.

 

[Tintin]

Astrology, Ouija Boards, Tarot Cards, tea leaves, and personal prophecy in some churches!

I do not think that technology is divination, because it is not about predicting the future. Some people so desperately want to know their future. I would just rather live and trust God for whatever may happen.

Personal prophecy? All or just some? I thought prophecy was often more about the present or the past, and only rarely, about the future.

 

[jaybird88]

Heres a couple of them showing in the verse itself

Ezek 13:7 Have ye not seen a vain vision, and have ye not spoken a lying divination, whereas ye say, **The LORD saith it** albeit I have not spoken?


Jerm 14:4 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies**in my name**: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them,neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a **false vision and divination**,and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Jerm 23:31 Behold, I am against **the prophets**,saith the LORD, that use their tongues, and say, **He saith**.

Sorta like Hananiah the prophet, even as Peter said there were false prophets among the people as there shall be among us that shall bring in heresies even denying the Lord, which shall bring swift destruction upon themselves. Which again is somewhat reflective in Hananiah also in that after he was speaking his "thus saith the LORD's" (lying divinations) to the people (in lying to them) and wouldnt recieve Jeremiah's correction according to the prophets that were before both of them God said he would cast him from the face of the earth, and so he ended up dying.

Rebellion against the Lord

Jerm 28:16 Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will cast thee from off the face of the earth: this year thou shalt die, because thou hast **taught rebellion** against the LORD.

Rebellion is as...

1Sam 15:23 For **rebellion** is as the sin of witchcraft (same as **divination**) and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Thats just a couple

its always hard replying to iseeyou as i find myself staring at her hypnotic eye pic.

many of the things you listed i see everywhere in todays world. i think the new age and metaphisical movements are good examples as they try and use science to achieve and define spirituality. but i like to combine the 2, science and spirituality as i believe you can not have one with out the other. I may not need science to to define our Lord but i see it as the way He designed everything. I also believe there is forbidden knowledge. I have a serious knowledge compulsion and i worry myself about stumbling onto forbidden knowledge. I dont like being ignorant but i want to be prepared to reject teachings that are going to carry me over the edge.

 

[jaybird88]

Astrology, Ouija Boards, Tarot Cards, tea leaves, and personal prophecy in some churches!

I do not think that technology is divination, because it is not about predicting the future. Some people so desperately want to know their future. I would just rather live and trust God for whatever may happen.

we use weather radar to predict the future, how is that different than going to a witch back in the day?

 

[ISeeYou]

its always hard replying to iseeyou as i find myself staring at her hypnotic eye pic.

many of the things you listed i see everywhere in todays world. i think the new age and metaphisical movements are good examples as they try and use science to achieve and define spirituality. but i like to combine the 2, science and spirituality as i believe you can not have one with out the other. I may not need science to to define our Lord but i see it as the way He designed everything. I also believe there is forbidden knowledge. I have a serious knowledge compulsion and i worry myself about stumbling onto forbidden knowledge. I dont like being ignorant but i want to be prepared to reject teachings that are going to carry me over the edge.

You made me laugh with that hypnotic eye comment, because I recall another poster at another forum had this green eye and everytime he replied to me I would look up and keep seeing this big ol eyeball looking at me, and it was like this thing was staring into my soul or something ROFL!! (so Im dying here)

Sorry bout that. Its just an eye jaybird888 (God made us two of them), I thought it was a cool looking eye (it can be plain creepy) depending on your opinion lol

I try to keep it simple and just listen to the scriptures and blow everything else off, or esteem it very lightly.

And there was really only one thing shown in the above not many, they are all of one thing, lying in his name saying the Lord saith when he has not spoken in every case even in Hananiah, although there he speaks of it as teaching rebellion, but elsewhere it shows that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft (or even divination) and then you can read what he did, and it was the same as the others. That is what scripture is showing in these examples it calls speaking a lying divination.

Ofcourse if its a lie (if not of the truth)

I will leave you with this....

 

[Tintin]

we use weather radar to predict the future, how is that different than going to a witch back in the day?

Well, I'm not seeing the similarities to divination at all, so I can't help you there. Still, weathermen (if they get the forecast wrong) are run out of town like witches were back in the day!

 

[jaybird88]

You made me laugh with that hypnotic eye comment, because I recall another poster at another forum had this green eye and everytime he replied to me I would look up and keep seeing this big ol eyeball looking at me, and it was like this thing was staring into my soul or something ROFL!! (so Im dying here)

Sorry bout that. Its just an eye jaybird888 (God made us two of them), I thought it was a cool looking eye (it can be plain creepy) depending on your opinion lol

I try to keep it simple and just listen to the scriptures and blow everything else off, or esteem it very lightly.

And there was really only one thing shown in the above not many, they are all of one thing, lying in his name saying the Lord saith when he has not spoken in every case even in Hananiah, although there he speaks of it as teaching rebellion, but elsewhere it shows that rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft (or even divination) and then you can read what he did, and it was the same as the others. That is what scripture is showing in these examples it calls speaking a lying divination.

Ofcourse if its a lie (if not of the truth)

your right, i wish i could tell my mind to make things more simple but i cant. once you learn things they cant be unlearned.
i think about things like the wise men that visited Jesus, they most likely used astrology to locate him yet the passage does not lead us to believe these were wicked men, yet we are not to look to astrology to find spiritual answers. nothing in the bible is arbitrary so whats the significance of this lesson?

seems like i was gonna say something else . . . .cant stop staring at the alien kitty. . . . .is it all a dream? . . . .where am I?

"rock me Amadeus!"

 

[ISeeYou]

Well, I'll leave you to your thoughts, you have alot to sort through, and its 3 am here and Im too tired to help ya, your on your own lol

 

[presidente]

Astrology, Ouija Boards, Tarot Cards, tea leaves, and personal prophecy in some churches!

Throwing the wedding bouquet and believing that the one who catches it will be the next to wed sounds like divination.

About prophecy, I suppose it's possible that someone could do divination and call it prophecy. I heard people talk about God speaking through who wins football games.

But I also hear people labelling personal prophecy as 'fortune telling.' I suspect the readiness to do this comes from the fact that this is an unfamiliar practice to some people. The want to reject it because they see it as similar to fortune telling without first asking the question of whether it is Biblical. The passage in Deuteronomy that outlaws soothsaying, divination, and reading omens specifically allows going to prophets. Inquiring of the Lord through a prophet to determine God's will is clearly a 'kosher' activity in the Old Testament. Samuel was willing to tell Paul Saul and his servant about Saul's father Kish's lost donkeys. Saul's servant apparently thought it was appropriate to ask a prophet such a question. Samuel may have answered dozens or hundreds of such inquiries throughout his ministry. It's specifically allowed in the Bible.

One of the kings sent to inquire of Beelzebub whether he would live or die. Elijah intercepted the messenger with a prophecy asking if there was not a god in Israel that he should enquire of Beelzebub the god of Ekron.

There are plenty of examples of personal prophesy in the Bible. By personal prophesy, I mean a prophecy directly to one individual. Samuel prophesied over Saul. Jeroboam, Jehu, and various others got personal prophecies. There is an example in Acts of Paul receiving a personal prophesy. It's a Biblical thing. The Bible also shows that the Spirit can give predictive type prophecies.

I suppose someone who did divination could also give a personal prophecy as well.

 

[Tintin]

your right, i wish i could tell my mind to make things more simple but i cant. once you learn things they cant be unlearned.
i think about things like the wise men that visited Jesus, they most likely used astrology to locate him yet the passage does not lead us to believe these were wicked men, yet we are not to look to astrology to find spiritual answers. nothing in the bible is arbitrary so whats the significance of this lesson?

seems like i was gonna say something else . . . .cant stop staring at the alien kitty. . . . .is it all a dream? . . . .where am I?

"rock me Amadeus!"

Astrology and astronomy weren't separate fields of study in the past, as they have now become for the last 500 years or so. Now they're separated into pagan philosophy and science.

 

[jaybird88]

Well, I'm not seeing the similarities to divination at all, so I can't help you there.

farmers need to know when the rain is coming. today they watch the local weather which is based on radar, mathematics, and solar calculation.

in the past farmers could go to an astrologer to get weather predictions. they had knowledge of the cosmos and used mathematics and solar calculations to make these predictions. same as today

Still, weathermen (if they get the forecast wrong) are run out of town like witches were back in the day!

I grew up farming and remember my papaw telling me of the days when lynching a weatherman was just a five dollar fine.

 

[presidente]

farmers need to know when the rain is coming. today they watch the local weather which is based on radar, mathematics, and solar calculation.

in the past farmers could go to an astrologer to get weather predictions. they had knowledge of the cosmos and used mathematics and solar calculations to make these predictions. same as today

I didn't get the impression that Jesus thought it was wrong to tell if the weather was going to be good because the sky was read. He rebuked His opponents for being able to predict that, but not the signs of the time.

 

[Brother_Don]

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not anything made that was made. in Him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, that lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world and the world was made by Him, and the world knew him not. He came unto His own, and His own received Him not. But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:1-13.

 

[Brother_Don]

Is the Light!

 

[Mitspa]

we use weather radar to predict the future, how is that different than going to a witch back in the day?

The difference is that witches use spirits that tell the witch their plans...Radar just reaches out and tells us what is already there in the physical realm.

 

[kaylagrl]

we use weather radar to predict the future, how is that different than going to a witch back in the day?

Ever watch the weather radar? 100% chance of weather today.Thats why I dont believe in global warming.They cant tell me for sure if its going to snow next week,why trust them to say what will happen in 100 yrs?