Here we sort of agree.
But where we disagree is that scriptures shows us that Christians "cannot sin" (1John 3:9), we've "ceased from sin"(1Pet4;1) the day we believe on Jesus. This is not based on how good a lifestyle we live (as the thief on the cross proves). Instead it's based on our believing on Jesus, and thus we're covered by his righteousness, holiness, sinlessness, perfection.
you misunderstand scripture...Christian cannot sin in the context of being in Christ...as long as you are abiding in Christ there is no sin in you and you cannot sin while abiding in Christ....except you be drawn away from him...
James 1:13-15King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
and here you are misusing scripture to suit your doctrine...
1 Peter 4:1King James Version (KJV)
4 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
this scripture means ..those who deny the flesh it's lust has actually stopped sinning...not that you have somehow magically stopped sinning...
Galatians 5:18-26King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
Christians are a new creation. Our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. We abide in Christ (1John 3:6) and in him there is no sin (1John 3:5). To say that a Christian (one who abides in Christ) sins, is like saying that there is sin in Christ.
1John 3:5,6
And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
Newbirth, why do you think it's silly that once we receive Christ that we cannot be charged with sin any longer?
Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing (this includes sin) to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
when you say those scriptures you give the impression that you have forgotten we also have a body in which the HS resides and we are responsible for every act committed in that bod
1 Corinthians 6:18-20King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
This is the same foolish see-saw, bobbing up and down righteousness, in and out of God's presence, doctrine that Kenneth follows. As Mitspa said, ït's silly". And it's not supported in scripture.
then you are contending when a Christian sins...he is abiding in Christ with sin...and therefore can attain eternal life in sin...
Christians got rid of the sin nature (flesh) the day we believed on Jesus. As long as we believe on Jesus then we're walking in the Spirit and are partakers of the divine nature as our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. When we believe on Jesus then we've escaped the corruption that is in the world with it's lust for self-righteousness.
you continue to misuse scripture...I see that you
might be partakers....having escaped...that means you must escape first so that you MIGHT be a partaker of the divine nature....and he goes down in the chapter telling all the thing one must add to their faith to actually be a partaker of that nature...
2 Peter 1:3-5King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;