THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

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Mitspa

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kennethcadwell said:
I know what was written on the stones, but once again you show your lack of understanding.
For the commandments were ministers of death because man by themselves could not keep them properly, and by breaking any one of them was corporal punishment in the ordinances of the old mosaic covenant.
Under the new covenant we now have them written in our hearts, and we have the Holy Spirit to help and guide us in keeping them. So we are not doing it by ourselves, we our keeping them with God's help through His Holy Spirit.

With God and through Christ all things are possible, or do you still deny those scriptures and still make keeping the 10 commandments impossible. For those scriptures do not say only some things are possible, it says all things will be possible for those who have the Holy Spirit in their life.
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Well what was written? The Ten Commandments...right?
 
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ELECT

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Mitspa said:
What do you think was written and engraved in stones?

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
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The law was the ministration of death because it administered death to the offenders the law was not at fault but the people
 
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kennethcadwell

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Mitspa said:
Well what was written? The Ten Commandments...right?
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I explained it already, for they were ministers of death because man alone can not keep them properly.
And if you failed to keep just one of them under the mosaic law covenant, the curse was corporal punishment.
Under the new covenant we are not held to those curses or ordinances, plus we have the Holy Spirit to help and guide us in keeping them. So once again we are not alone under the new covenant, for we have God's Holy Spirit as our helper. And with Him and through Him no things are impossible to do.
 
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Mitspa

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kennethcadwell said:
I explained it already, for they were ministers of death because man alone can not keep them properly.
And if you failed to keep just one of them under the mosaic law covenant, the curse was corporal punishment.
Under the new covenant we are not held to those curses or ordinances, plus we have the Holy Spirit to help and guide us in keeping them. So once again we are not alone under the new covenant, for we have God's Holy Spirit as our helper. And with Him and through Him no things are impossible to do.
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The Ten Commandments right? That was the point!
 
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kennethcadwell

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Mitspa said:
The Ten Commandments right? That was the point!
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You keep showing your inability to listen to what others are showing you.
Like I said you are still stuck and blinded by the word law, and the written form of it and not the law as applied in the Spirit. Until you get over that spot that you are stuck on, the truth will not be revealed to you.
 
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Mitspa

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ELECT said:
The law was the ministration of death because it administered death to the offenders the law was not at fault but the people
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Yea there is none righteous...no not one! That's the purpose of the law...to condemn us all! But Christ took our place in death and removed the law and its power over us.
 
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Mitspa

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kennethcadwell said:
You keep showing your inability to listen to what others are showing you.
Like I said you are still stuck and blinded by the word law, and the written form of it and not the law as applied in the Spirit. Until you get over that spot that you are stuck on, the truth will not be revealed to you.
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Its the Ten Commandments right? why cant you answer that?

Because that was the point when I used the term ministry of death...but you could not seem to relate that to the Ten Commandments?
 
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Mitspa said:
What do you think was written and engraved in stones?

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
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the law on stones way of administering was that on the stone and was to be tansferred to the heart via the Holy Spirit same law different way of administering it thus it was more glorious
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ELECT

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Mitspa said:
Why do you want to worship Idols? are you a slave to sin?
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What is sin ?

1 John 3:4King James Version (KJV)

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

do you ask for forgivness of sins as a Child of God? Why ? Is forgiveness a result of God grace when you fall short ?
Do you live a sinful life ?
 
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kennethcadwell

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Mitspa said:
Its the Ten Commandments right? why cant you answer that?

Because that was the point when I used the term ministry of death...but you could not seem to relate that to the Ten Commandments?
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I have answered it twice, as you obviously did not read what I wrote.
If you had read what I wrote then you would have realized that the 10 Commandments in written form were ministers of death because man by themselves could not keep them properly, and the out come for breaking them was corporal punishment ( death ) under the mosaic covenant.
Under the new covenant, they are written in our heart this time with the Holy Spirit helping us to walk in them. Which takes away the ministry of death part, for with Him it is now possible to keep them.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Mitspa said:
Why do you want to worship Idols? are you a slave to sin?
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You do a lot of double talking !!!
You tell people they do not have to keep the 10 Commandments, but then you yourself in a response like this shows you still uphold them as a believer. Take the blinders off, and realize what you are doing.
 
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Mitspa

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kennethcadwell said:
You do a lot of double talking !!!
You tell people they do not have to keep the 10 Commandments, but then you yourself in a response like this shows you still uphold them as a believer. Take the blinders off, and realize what you are doing.
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No I tell believers they are not under the law of Moses...you guys who are under the law always equate that with your desire to sin....That shows that your slaves of sin and not slaves of righteousness...why? Because the strength of sin, is the law...and that's why you guys desire to sin.
 
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ELECT

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Mitspa said:
No I tell believers they are not under the law of Moses...you guys who are under the law always equate that with your desire to sin....That shows that your slaves of sin and not slaves of righteousness...why? Because the strength of sin, is the law...and that's why you guys desire to sin.
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desiring to keep law is desiring to sin :confused:
 
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ELECT

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Mitspa said:
No I tell believers they are not under the law of Moses...you guys who are under the law always equate that with your desire to sin....That shows that your slaves of sin and not slaves of righteousness...why? Because the strength of sin, is the law...and that's why you guys desire to sin.
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Who is under law ?A murderer or a law abiding citizen ? Why
 
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ELECT

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Mitspa said:
No I tell believers they are not under the law of Moses...you guys who are under the law always equate that with your desire to sin....That shows that your slaves of sin and not slaves of righteousness...why? Because the strength of sin, is the law...and that's why you guys desire to sin.
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You obey your parents then that means you are sinning :confused:
 
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Mitspa

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ELECT said:
Is that not part of the ten not to worship idols yet you say we are not to keep the ten :confused:
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No its the law that produces the desire to covet...which is idolatry ...

and you guys think other believers desire to sin like you do? Your slaves to sin!

Ro 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
7 ¶ What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.

Ro 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
 
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Mitspa

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ELECT said:
You obey your parents then that means you are sinning :confused:
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Well if your a child..you should obey your parents...but if your a grown-up believer you should obey Christ...who said unless you hate your father and mother and follow me your not worthy of me.
 
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